Well, I think this is again a biased thing caused by gank and here is the reasoning:
If the price was pumped up, who pumped it down? This is the main question, as they burned the GLX and it did not flood back the market.
If 4 people managed to increase to 250k the value, with roughly 40k -50k, it means that there is not enough adoption and not enough liquidity on the market, so this is a trade, not an exploit. But again, who managed to bring it back down? Was it a few users who started dumping and due to low availability it crashed?
Most investors got a devaluation of their tokens, only because of the packs that have been generated. I'm also a holder, not top100. This is a risk, as there is no ripe economy behind and no game.
The same would happen to Hive or any other asset, if there wouldn't be a huge market cap for it.
This is my view on this. I don't defend them, but also don't blame them. I know a lot of people who blamed them, as they lost asset value, but did the same on other market opportunities.
I'm open to a fine debate, if I'm wrong on some points.
The pump and dump wasnt where the exploit happened.
The exploit happened due to a faulty platform mechanic. The 5 minute price average burn mechanism. It takes a few seconds to move that GLX into the dapp. There are no pools to worry about and extremely low liquidity.
It really wouldnt. Hive has no burn mechanism like that. The actual question is what would have happened if they had more funds on hand.
Who dumped then after? To hold a price for 5 minutes is long.
Also, from what I've read in the chat, it was told to the team that they will do it, so a lot of people have been aware of it.
The only major impact is the pack dilution. I know, trust is an issue, but an investor with a big pocket, could do the same also on the 24 hour price average, if he has enough funds and gets slowly that token under different accounts, to stay off radar.
I mean that any market can be manipulated, and every currency can be pumped or dumped, depending on the funds. Best case, Soros vs. the British Pound.
I know oli, he is like this, sees the opportunity and grabs it. I know lostintime and he has funds, but was not aware of the emotional impact it could cause.
Like said before, I don't defend them, and also don't praise the dealing. I see it as a high risk betting investment on an unfinished product, especially as they've announced it before.
I havent seen this but do you think that makes it ok to keep the money? I think it makes it worse as the team is obviously unaware or doesnt understand the danger.
Pack dilution, trust, investor airdrop % is affected since apparently licenses were bought from the stolen GLUSD. The damage is compounding and indefinite. It will only increase over time till the game is shut down far far into the future.
Sure, but you need the burn mechanism for this to be an exploit. A pump and dump is just market manipulation. We kind of look the other way in crypto when we see it.
Like said, game and economy is unripe, and it is a high risk investing in it. It is an emotional thing in the end, especially if the own return has been affected. Try to see it from a logical point of view, not moral, where could it be said that it was stealing, as stealing is a harsh word.
I'm also heavily invested into SPL, and don't like some stuff that it is going on, like insiders know when to buy and exploit some stuff, like it was on the land sales, when some managed to buy many regions in the first go. It is my own risk, as the firm does not keep separately the insiders from the investors.
Just from a logical point of view, pumping it up and burning it, should have held it up there, and it would be better than pump and dump. Who dumped after that, so that the price tanked?
Will reply tomorrow, if you reply, as I go to bed.
Possibly someone that knew what they were doing.
I think you want to claim that they didnt understand what they were doing or what would happen. I really dont think thats the case. They would really need to be a special kind of stupid not to understand the implications of their actions.
The implications of a pump into a 5 minute price average burn on a extremely low liquidity token.
By far, maybe lostintime was not fully aware.
As I already said, free market, they leveraged the assets they had and took profit, I don't see any stealing in this, especially as the tokens have been burned.
If there has been a stealing from an account in their pockets, please show it, glad to change my mind.
It is a high risk investment, and the first rule to this is that on high risk, the investment can go to zero.
So we come again on the question, who dumped, after hey increased the value? That person is the real villain in the story, which nobody mentions.
Also, using emotions leverage, audience, and public shaming might be a more ethical offence than taking profits. Putting pressure via a whole community, who does not research deep the problem, is not a nice thing to do. Just my two cents.
Especially since the tokens were burned it is stealing. They 3-5x their investment on an exploit to the detriment of every other investor. The GLS team made it clear it was an exploit. They didnt give back the money.
Theyre basically criminals.
These guys deserve far more than shame. They deserve to be sued.
The "Oracle Manipulation Attack" - not pump and dump
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This is getting in some sense funny. Most people that comment here, did not invest a single dime into it, got some nice airdrop and are outraged about the lower airdrop value that needs to come...
If you are not aware myself and Jron secured the 2nd largest presale pack purchase of GLG.
Read my long and detailed comment.
That I'm sorry for, as I believe in genuine investors, I did not know you had bought packs. Just read your comment. As I said, I don't support or cherrish them, but also don't blame. And that I have maybe a different view, I'm getting flagged by the Sheriffs in here with stake which is supposed to be used to grow the community.
I believe in @lordbutterfly, that he also invested, and does also great things for hive.
I don't believe in freeloaders that comment here, which use the airdrop and sell mostly off. Yes, the project took a massive hit, and maybe the impact is made higher by the people who comment and make it is a world's end.
Also, forking out will issue more problems than there are. Hive did a forkout of users, which was needed and maybe should have also forked everything what was before block 1, but this put also put a negative label on the whole chain, for years to come. People with loads will not invest in it, just because of this. And by loads I mean at least 10 mil USD.
Appreciate it mate.
I'm not super involved with posting on HIVE but it's always been interesting and mysterious how the inner working operate in here along with it's history... What did you mean by the sheriffs flagging you? Is that watchers? What does stealth mined mean in this context?
To be fair man I'm not sure it matters objectively whether I or others hold 1000's of packs or 0. What happened is what happen, if a HIVE or SPL whale or minnow with no connection to GLG views this as a trash move and wants to act accordingly, that's their prerogative. I think it's right for everyone to know and understand what happened. It's arguable those with 0 holding maybe be more "correct" in their opinion than those that invested and got burnt.
I am surprised that anyone views this any other way than Matt and Aggy called it directly, "manipulation" and "an exploit" at this point. A lot of people suddenly changed their minds when both of them condemned and were truly disappointed that the oracle attack came from within the trusted circle of our community members on the following GLS townhall. I have heard multiple respected SPL streamers talk about this issue briefly and all have either had the wrong or incomplete information (potentially from just catching snippets of the gaslighting in the discord) or skipped sheepishly around the issue trying to not take a stance.
Presumably as these people now (or maybe not if they dumped the project they profited off by damaging) have a massive stake and have colluded before. These are members with (or had) large sway and influence.
The more someone understands this and the damage/consequences the less they seem ambivalent and the average opinion shifts more to the same opinion I have. When given fuller info/education everyone willing has in my experienced always swayed to a position at least 1% closer to mine and often completely there.
That's why I'm super appreciative to @lordbutterfly for taking this upon himself as I got burnt out by just pointing out the facts to manipulators for weeks before it came to a head.
Cheers