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A core element of the discussion revolves around the nature of debate shows, particularly the pressure to craft hot takes—counterintuitive, provocative conclusions meant to generate buzz. He describes the relentless demand for these takes, often pushing hosts to dig deep until they find a contributor's most controversial stance.

"If you have 12 hot takes a day because there's a consensus about sports, then sometimes, some small percentage of those will be wrong or surprising," he explains.