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The discussion then shifted to international relations, specifically involving Venezuela and its government under Nicolás Maduro. The speaker noted that the U.S. has designated Maduro as the leader of a "foreign terrorist organization," a significant and controversial label. Despite this designation, there is an openness to dialogue, with the possibility of talks with Maduro being considered. The motivation behind such engagement appears rooted in pragmatic goals: "We can save lives. We can do things the easy way, and that's fine. If we have to do the hard way, that's fine, too." This approach suggests a willingness to communicate with controversial figures if it serves broader strategic interests, particularly in addressing issues like violence, drug trafficking, and regional stability.