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The discussion leans into examining how João Grilo evolves from a cunning trickster into a character who is sometimes seen as a mere schemer in the film's second adaptation. Tony and Elves are keen to argue that his portrayal in the sequel undermines the depth and brilliance of the original character. They assert that, despite some dubious actions in the first film—such as selling a supposedly money-producing cat to his overbearing employers—Grilo's schemes often serve a higher purpose, benefiting those around him, rather than merely serving his own interest.