i'd love it if people just mention what it is they did that they love.
Do you mean qualify for a free account if you use an email or twitter?
So how do they handle essentially UNLIMITED free accounts? Because hiveonboard had the option to do those but decided it was way too easy to abuse... way way way way way too easy. And it may not be presently abused until Hive starts getting popular again. But name squatting and account abuse has been an issue in the past. People getting multiple accounts isn't an issue but giving someone dozens of free accounts because they have access to hundreds of emails? Then we have sites pretending they onboarded hundred of humans when they obviously didn't ... but maybe that will help talking points.
But perhaps they did something else that i'm not aware of. Someone else mentioned the concept of Custodial Accounts which is what I'd love to see on PeakD and that would be nice.
Yes, that is fair. I had never used it so I don't know why I would love it, but from what it sounds like what it does it makes it easier for people to sign up. I saw the video of how it works.
Not sure how they do it for UNLIMITED accounts @khaleelkazi?
Yes, it does seem abuse would be an issue. I'd be interested to see what Khal says how it all works. I just figured they figured out how to solve the questions you are asking hence why I mentioned it. 😀
I believe getting people an account is NOT our issue it takes like 10-20 seconds with our system now... the issue is introducing them to the concept of KEYS (multiple of them) and getting them introduced to login software ... so an introductionary CUSTODIAL type account would be awesome in my opinion. And perhaps tell them we will only be willing to be their custodian of their keys if their account stays underneath a certain value. However in my opinion that's find because after a few days or weeks perhaps they're ready to take that step of being a custodian of their own keys and are interested enough to install software like keychain.
I love the idea of the CUSTODIAL account where you reach certain milestones and it slowly inches its way becoming something you understand. I mean could be as simple as providing simple questions on sign up:
x Are you an expert and can handle your own keys
x Do you want us to walk you through it ( CUSTODIAL )
Just thinking about how we can hand walk them it when it comes to their wallet and keys if they need it. Thanks for the responses.
it has nothing to do with peakd directly but I have post some solution for name squatting and cheaper wallets, it can boost hive really well. But it doesn't get any attention :)
Making it as quick, easy, and simple as possible. LEO has custodial accounts that you can get in literally a second or two. Signs up via Twitter or sms. We need that for a Hive front end, not just LEO.
How do you feel about how that leads to rampant abuse and that's why no interface yet allowed twitter to be the gate keeper because you can make unlimited twitter accounts?
I guess it's a potential problem. Do you think there are that many people wanting to make multiple accounts out there?
In any case, even without Twitter, we could have a quick sign up system with a human readable password, until people are ready to take ownership of their keys.
It's a pretty decent sized part of our blockchain history. People did it even when it was much much harder than twitter (cell phone and long waiting periods) ... i suppose it's a matter of the value desired and the cost associated.
There is not likely to be as much abuse NOW because the value of Hive is lower AND not many places are delegating as much SP/HP has steemit used to.
However regardless of how much HP is delegated for free there is value in the user-names and part of that value is lost potential in the hands of those who would have actually use them instead.
I think there is a solution in there somewhere and I'm trying to think through it... but also it doesn't matter how many our interfaces "onboard" it's how many quality users we bring in that stick around.
And we are agreed that I think a Custodial type account where new people sacrifice OWNERSHIP for EASE is a very viable option as long as they have a path toward actual ownership (which means non shared keys) and toward users that are responsible.
Check out what LEO did with onboarding via email/twitter.
i'd love it if people just mention what it is they did that they love.
Do you mean qualify for a free account if you use an email or twitter?
So how do they handle essentially UNLIMITED free accounts? Because hiveonboard had the option to do those but decided it was way too easy to abuse... way way way way way too easy. And it may not be presently abused until Hive starts getting popular again. But name squatting and account abuse has been an issue in the past. People getting multiple accounts isn't an issue but giving someone dozens of free accounts because they have access to hundreds of emails? Then we have sites pretending they onboarded hundred of humans when they obviously didn't ... but maybe that will help talking points.
But perhaps they did something else that i'm not aware of. Someone else mentioned the concept of Custodial Accounts which is what I'd love to see on PeakD and that would be nice.
Yes, that is fair. I had never used it so I don't know why I would love it, but from what it sounds like what it does it makes it easier for people to sign up. I saw the video of how it works.
Not sure how they do it for UNLIMITED accounts @khaleelkazi?
Yes, it does seem abuse would be an issue. I'd be interested to see what Khal says how it all works. I just figured they figured out how to solve the questions you are asking hence why I mentioned it. 😀
I believe getting people an account is NOT our issue it takes like 10-20 seconds with our system now... the issue is introducing them to the concept of KEYS (multiple of them) and getting them introduced to login software ... so an introductionary CUSTODIAL type account would be awesome in my opinion. And perhaps tell them we will only be willing to be their custodian of their keys if their account stays underneath a certain value. However in my opinion that's find because after a few days or weeks perhaps they're ready to take that step of being a custodian of their own keys and are interested enough to install software like keychain.
100% agree with you.
I love the idea of the CUSTODIAL account where you reach certain milestones and it slowly inches its way becoming something you understand. I mean could be as simple as providing simple questions on sign up:
x Are you an expert and can handle your own keys
x Do you want us to walk you through it ( CUSTODIAL )
Just thinking about how we can hand walk them it when it comes to their wallet and keys if they need it. Thanks for the responses.
it has nothing to do with peakd directly but I have post some solution for name squatting and cheaper wallets, it can boost hive really well. But it doesn't get any attention :)
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@urun/prefix-suffix-additive-for-wallet-names
maybe you like the idea, should work also perfect for peakd
Making it as quick, easy, and simple as possible. LEO has custodial accounts that you can get in literally a second or two. Signs up via Twitter or sms. We need that for a Hive front end, not just LEO.
How do you feel about how that leads to rampant abuse and that's why no interface yet allowed twitter to be the gate keeper because you can make unlimited twitter accounts?
I guess it's a potential problem. Do you think there are that many people wanting to make multiple accounts out there?
In any case, even without Twitter, we could have a quick sign up system with a human readable password, until people are ready to take ownership of their keys.
It's a pretty decent sized part of our blockchain history. People did it even when it was much much harder than twitter (cell phone and long waiting periods) ... i suppose it's a matter of the value desired and the cost associated.
There is not likely to be as much abuse NOW because the value of Hive is lower AND not many places are delegating as much SP/HP has steemit used to.
However regardless of how much HP is delegated for free there is value in the user-names and part of that value is lost potential in the hands of those who would have actually use them instead.
I think there is a solution in there somewhere and I'm trying to think through it... but also it doesn't matter how many our interfaces "onboard" it's how many quality users we bring in that stick around.
And we are agreed that I think a Custodial type account where new people sacrifice OWNERSHIP for EASE is a very viable option as long as they have a path toward actual ownership (which means non shared keys) and toward users that are responsible.