Trust issues

in Blockchain Wizardry8 months ago (edited)

When most people hear “trust issues”, they think of breakups or drama-filled pop songs. But whenever money is involved (especially in the cryptocurrency realm), there’s a more expensive version: every misplaced trust can empty a wallet. Blockchains promise trustless systems; math instead of middlemen, but the human layer still relies on good faith. Scammers know it, weaponize it, and cash out while we’re still wondering if that link looks odd.
So yes, we really do have “trust issues” because trust is what they count on and what we lose.

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Telegram - scammer’s playground

Some people say that less than 1% of random interactions on Telegram are not a scam. Honestly, I think that’s wishful thinking. I’m pretty sure scammers filled out that poll themselves, and even they couldn’t find enough real users to prey on.
Why do we even have that group? Well, for some reason, crypto projects keep defaulting to Telegram as their main channel. Nobody knows why, but here we are. And even if we shut the group down, scammers would keep doing their thing, thrilled to work without volunteer mods slowing them down.

I talked to GandaIf recently

So, you know how, with all the scams flooding Telegram groups, there’s this well known rule: mods and admins will never DM you first?
And yet, when someone shows up with a problem, an impostor immediately jumps in, posting in the group, and also reminding everyone that “admins will never DM you first.”
The attacker’s hoping the victim will start the conversation before any real mods or admins have a chance to ban them.
And you can't really tell if it’s too late. The only way to stop it might be... to DM the potential victim.
But admins never DM first, right?
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Anyway, I talked to the attacker for a couple of minutes. Shockingly, he replied. I figured maybe I’d learn something useful about a scam targeting Russian-speaking users. But in this case, the “attacker” turned out to be some tech-illiterate, clueless dude hoping to get lucky.
When caught red-handed, he... asked me to send him tokens.
Of course, after a little talk, he gave up his address and was totally ready to download and run random software if it meant he might get free tokens from me.
So yeah... be careful out there. Because getting fooled by scammers this dumb? That’s the real pain.

Only fools would fall for that (?)

Fools will fall for it, yes, but not only fools. Sometimes the adversary isn’t as dumb as the one I ran into recently. Sometimes someone’s just having a rough day. Maybe they’re distracted, or they miss a tiny detail, like a typo. Because you didn’t. You caught that one earlier, right?
You do know that out of all the lookalikes, there are only two real Gandalfs in that group, right?

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Gаnɗɑӏf Gɑnɗаӏf Gаndalf Gandаlf Gɑndalf Gandalf

(It's easier for you to spot homoglyphs here because they are right next to each other)

So why was that scammer trying to be helpful? Easy. He was replying to users who were reporting issues. There's a higher chance that people who don’t fully understand the tech they’re dealing with will fall for scams like this, especially if they’ve already been scammed and are now looking for help.
And if they were fooled once, they’re even more vulnerable. They're stressed. They're hoping someone’s actually going to help this time.
Don’t get me wrong — this isn’t just about Telegram, and it’s not just about random strangers.
Even on a platform like OpenHive.Chat, where users have to authenticate with Hive and use actual Hive usernames (which are limited to alphanumeric characters, making scam tricks harder), you still need to be careful.
If your friend leaks their private posting key, an attacker can message you on their behalf, maybe saying they urgently need to borrow some tokens.

( @victoriabsb spotted a scammer once because she knew I’d never ask for BTC instead of HIVE ;-) )

And while impersonating a mod in a Telegram group might feel like a cryptocurrency-specific scam, it’s really just one flavor of a much bigger problem: identity theft. Same tactics, different masks.
We’ve seen fake founders, fake support agents, fake investors, and yes, even fake celebrities. Some people have been tricked into wiring money or buying plane tickets for scammers posing as actors or pop stars, promising love or a personal visit.

Bold ones are easier to spot

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Sure, those wild scams sound ridiculous, and they are. Bold ones are maybe easier to spot, but it’s the smaller, quieter scams you need to watch for.
Like someone with a brand-new account and a profile picture of a pretty, half-naked person (who - spoiler alert - doesn’t even exist), posting a sad story about losing everything and needing just a little help.
They get upvotes, sympathy, maybe even transfers.
All based on a fake photo and a story that’s been copy-pasted a hundred times.
Sometimes the scam doesn’t scream. Sometimes it just looks good and sounds sad.

Paranoid?

Do I want you to become paranoid?
No.
But thinking about all this, just a little, could make all the difference.
A bit of healthy skepticism can save the day.

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I can't believe Keanu Reeves joined the hive, pls send link to post entry so I can vote.

He didn't, he's busy being awesome elsewhere. I can't believe that generative models restrict (ab)using spiderman but not Keanu.

Telegram and discord for me are the apps with the most scammers. You just know you have a scammers on your hand immediately they offer and help and then go ahead to throw you a link and ask you to click

They have all the features scammers love, and just enough anti-scam tools to say they tried. But not enough to actually fix the problem (which is expensive, doh), and definitely not a priority.

It happens to me from time to time to get a private message from telegram, most of times just starts with an hello and thats it, I'm pretty sure if someone doesn't want to scam, should at least introduce himself and explain why he is contacting you... So in that cases I straight block and delete without even answer, cba deal with that

A scam they do recently is call elder people telling their son or daughter is in need of money because in trouble then play some voice in the background asking for help

Spreading awareness is a way to fight back, I guess. Not my usual post, but the scammer kind of volunteered.

A mine field these days that we all walk in.

It’s always been like this. Scams didn’t get smarter. Just got better tools.

A never-ending battle between the light and the dark.

But who in their right mind is going to believe that a singer, a celebrity or a famous person is going to write asking for money, there is a lot of naivety in this world and that virtual boyfriends as it is fashionable today, to me it seems ridiculous because many times they are scams, you can meet very cool and nice people through the different social networks, but yes or yes you have to go out in person because if not it is a waste of time.

Yeah, to us it sounds ridiculous, but scammers aren’t targeting people in their best moment. Loneliness, stress, or just wanting to believe… that’s enough sometimes.

On the other hand, we’ve got friends here we haven’t seen for years, or never met at all before, and they’re brave (or crazy) enough to meet up ad-hoc in random places around the world.
The key is focusing on real connections, not fake ones. In person or online, that’s just the medium.

I can see that future times are going to be much more fruitful for scammers. Ai will play a huge and very important role on that. We already seen in Deepfakes, that are almost perfect. One MD that I personally know, that practices acupuncture, was victim of a scheme. A video was made, and used in Facebook were a deepfake of him was telling that most neurological imune diseases could be cured by simply taking a anti-parasite medicine - that OFFCOURSE - could be bought by clicking the link below... No more words are needed to explain, that my friend, even after contacting FB to remove the video, several days passed... and nothing was made!
The ones that know him personally, could distinguish that the words that appear in the video weren't medical portuguese European ones, but portuguese Brazil.
New times are coming. And I'm totally in agree with you, scammers have more instruments.

The good thing is, that on Hive, we don’t have to wait for some corporation to decide if something is a problem. As a community, we can react faster.

Exactly. Power is distributed throughout the network, not centralized. This is one of the great advantages over conventional social networks, which are run on million-dollar advertising budgets.

I hate to say it buy I already am paranoid. Do I want to be, no. I've just run into far to many scams here on off Hive that you have to have at minimum some caution. It's sad the world works this way and always has, but a good dose of skepticism when something sounds to good to be true or someone desperately needs help and as you said has a gorgeous profile picture. Classic scams...

Worst part is that there's not that much here compared to the rest of crypto, probably due to the marketcap. Twitter for instance has scams literally in most of their ads.

A big part of the reason I stopped using Twitter...

Paranoia isn’t fun, but it’s kind of a survival instinct at this point. Maybe set it to 5% or so ;-)
You shouldn't assume the worst every time, but “too good to be true” usually is.

Would it be wise to say " Hey Gandalf, could you send me 0.001 hive on blockchain and I will verify it by checking on your wallet ? "

Yes, I did it whenever someone comes with a new discord and said their previous discord is hacked. I ask them to send me 0.001 hive to verify their identity.

Yes, that’s actually a smart check. Posting key is different from active key required for transfer, so even if leaked or someone just finds the way to bypass chat authentication, it's still not enough to send from my wallet.
Just make sure the transfer really came from gandalf, not gamdalf etc.
Also calling me or messaging via Signal would be kind of a 2FA.

hi sir do you need help with your investing? give me seed phrase I will look over your portfolio for you for free brother

I mean how can you not trust this guy

Because that’s what billionaires do in their free time: hang out in random Telegram chats giving life-changing wealth tips to strangers! ;-)

Just yesterday my wife shows me a message on her phone. A random number begins texting her, asking her about her day.

"Hey there.. long time no talk!"
"Remember me? we met at the Supermarket last week"

I tell my wife - "Did you tell him your name?" "tell him your name is Andre (my name)"

"Its a scammer..." I finally say, after she gives me a super confused look.

She puts her phone down, confused, not knowing what to do.

About thirty minutes later her "supermarket friend" starts insulting her, calling her all the names you can think of, and ends his barrage of frustration with: "I'm going to hack you and steal all your money hahahahh"

I told her she has nothing to be worried about- it's just a bluff.

I want to say she would know what to do, even if I wasn't around. But then again, that's only because her Russian lineage makes her suspect her own shadow. But, I'm sure it would have worked on my cousin.

In the future, children will have to be taught to avoid scams, in the same way we teach them how to ride bikes. It will become as common as dried leaves in Autumn.

The scary part, at least for me, is that we now have AI voice cloning. Now, its still not perfect, but we are possibly months away from it being just as good as us.

Many of us have our voice out there ready to be downloaded, placed into machine learning or whatnot and used to call our family and friends pretending to be us in random need of money.

And people ask me why I stay anonymous.

There are so many cases of people that send moneu to 'their kids' (which were actually) scammers when they got contacted by a new number via WhatsApp saying: "Hey dad, I have a new number, can I ask you a favour?".

With voice spoofing this will only get worse.
There are known cases of companies that fell victim of this already.
And it will surely be targetted to end users too. I worry most for the kids and elderly in this case.

A way to weapon them against these attacks is to agree about a 'code' only you know. Your loved ones could ask for this code whem they doubt that it is you they are speaking to.

Well, my online footprint is far too big to hide. I used to be a working musician, released music and all.

Cat's out of the bag. But your point stands. They could easily make AI clones of me.

Voice cloning is already here, and isn't months away… it’s that scammers don’t even need the expensive, high-end models. Free or cheap ones are already “good enough” for most targets, and scammers are not exactly aiming for critical listeners.

sadly, I have to accept your point.

First thanks for the publication that I was able to reach through @fermionico who made an explanatory video on this issue and recommended reading the publication.

There is some advice I could give about something that seems suspicious to me, I have doubts or I don't know.

The first thing is that when in doubt you should not act but consult the right people.

The second thing is to try to invest time in learning so as not to depend on criteria that may be suspicious.

In these matters one should be as suspicious as possible and, in my case, I do not open the links because my knowledge in these matters is very low.

Thank you very much for the publication.

Happy Thursday.

Cheers and greetings.

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Sometimes it is funny the lengths these scammers are willing to go just for peanuts. I remember an encounter with one promising unimaginable returns of 20x within the space of 24 hours. I just told him to go get it for himself, and if he could, he wouldn't be in my DM.

Speaking about the lengths they are willing to go, there are job interviews that includes video calls...
On the other hand it's not always going just for peanuts.

True and speaking on the job interviews, a friend of mine told me about a job scam where he was sent an employment email requiring him to do certain preliminary courses upon resuming as a UN staff. The scam behind this was when you go ahead to search for the courses, the SEO done on their website will refer you to their website where you have to pay before taking the course, and the worst part the course on their site wasn't accredited.

Scams are everywhere. I frequently get text messages on my phone that a purchase has been made with my credit card, with contact information to verify if I don't recognize the transaction. The thing is that when my bank wants to confirm if a transaction is legit, they let me know which card was used.

Somehow, the scammers know what bank I use, but not much else. I guess they are fishing for information. Just in case I go to my online banking to double-check.

Once, I was consulting about a withdrawal issue in a fake Bittrex TG group and nearly fell for a scam. Fortunately, when the scammer asked me to download a certain wallet, I quickly realized it was a scam.😳

Good thing you stopped in time, that could’ve ended really badly.

Bastante importante está información, nunca he Sido estafado pero hay que ser cauteloso

https://ecency.com/hive-188753/@incublus/be-careful-about-scams-dolandiricilara I wrote a post about it a few months ago. It wasn't an admin or anything, but a newcomer to the Hivefest group told me about an investment opportunity. I asked her what she thought about Hive and she said I haven't looked at Hive yet but I will and that's when I realized it was a scam lol.

Omg I can't believe Keanu Reeves joined hive, pls send link to intro post so I can give vote

As soon as he actually joins, I would be happy to vote it too. Or maybe he's already secretly blogging about motocycles but no curator found that yet? ;-)

On a side note - it's weird where generative models have their restrictions set. DALL-E didn't wanted to generate spiderman meme because it voilates its content policy somehow, but Sora was like: "Yay, sure, lets create fake celebrities!"

Holy shit Keanu is on Hive now? Breathtaking!

You're breathtaking! (nah, it's all me, just different hair styles ;-) )

Telegram is such a sketchy app to me😬. Nothing but scammers and people that share p0rn🤢

I only use Telegram because we have to for Hive stuff; exchanges expect it.
With throwaway accounts, easy bots, and no message controls, it’s a scammer’s playground.
Scams are everywhere though…

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Telegram is a snake pit, as far as I am concerned. And it doesn't exactly help crypto's credibility that so many projects have such a heavy influence/base there.

I don't use Telegram anymore for the very practical reason that my number was banned somehow... I can only guess that some skunkweed used the number to run some sketchy operation without my even being aware!

I feel you through this post and you are totally right.
Scammers have a way of making you trust them fully before they attack without looking back.
And when one is far gone with their lies, it would be difficult to notice the warning signs even though you doubt some facts.
You are just so into them already.

!HOPEfully, we won't fall victims because it can be traumatising at times.

Trustless systems or human flaws: well- Telegram isn’t just a scammer’s playground- it’s kind of a psychological battleground & The moment you think “I’d never fall for that” is the moment a scammer starts drafting your downfall!.

The worse part? Even “obvious” scams sometimes work! because they’re not targeting your logic- they’re hijacking your humanity. That panicked brother who just lost funds? or even that grandma that wired money to a fake celebrity!? They’re not fools, They’re us on a bad day!.

Telegram’s anonymity might be a gift to grifters!, does this mean we ditch the platform? No, the answer is "skepticism!"- double-tap every DM: check, then check again. If someone you don't know slides into your DMs treat it like "a stranger offering candy in a dark alley & even holding a FREE BTC sign!"

so yes stay paranoid "the healthy kind of cours"', and remember: in crypto, trust is a liability, verify like your wallet’s life depends on it—because it does!

“Be greedy when others are fearful”? Nah, be vigilant when others are blindly trusting!.

Muchas gracias por el dato. Hay que andar atentos.😘🙏🇨🇺

tbh you do kind of look like Keanu (at least from behind you both have black hair) , and we have never see you 2 together in the same place =O

Really a very important topic to be alert, difficult not to become paranoid, but it is good to avoid falling into the hands of scammers, thank you @gtg

The information about the telegram groups is very important and meaningful, scammers active in the groups "admins or mods" should keep an eye on these scammers.

Yes it has save and I have LEARN SOMETHING IN IT.

THANKS A LOT