Whenever I go to curate, I go specifically to the proofofbrain tag and then I see what's in the Trendings first to see what's going on that day, and then I go to the New tab, because there's always a new lost user who needs it there an initial support for your walk and not end up discouraged.
However, sometimes I go to the New general tab, to see how much POB tokens are being produced in posts where the tag is just decorated, placed there in seventh or eighth place, so that I can get some coins.
Because it is a finite token, I believe that every reward is important since it is scarce (not that the others are not), and that way I believe that encouraging people to use our tag or not and to post or not on our front end is our stimulus task.
I myself use between 8 or 10 tags every time, so that I can collect other tokens like 'ash', 'palnet', 'hustler', 'archon', even if they have pennies for them, but a lot because I haven't been warned about not use them. That way I understood that it's okay to always put it in my posts.
As I'm always testing new tags, once I put the 'hypno', then a user came and recommended me not to use it anymore unless it was actually a post related to the tag, so that I didn't have tokens indirectly. I understood the comment and did not use the tag at random anymore. After all, that community did not like that behavior.
Aiming at this issue, I would like to bring a discussion to reflect on, and with that I know how to position myself before these posts that use our tag just to get some tokens randomly that are always between 0 to 20 POB. I know that this amount will not make anyone rich, but with the growth of users and with more people knowing our tag, this practice can increase.
Obviously there are frequent POB users who post elsewhere and use the tag, this is not the type of user I'm talking about, because in the long run he will be with us, but the user who has never been here and is just using the tag to produce tokens and increase the number of net POBs due to stake POBs.
What do you think about it? Should I cast a negative vote proportional to the reward collected? Should I just comment by giving an alert? This subject is still very foggy in my mind. I would like to be as fair as possible, both with the community and with the user.
I hope you can bring me some points of view to improve my understanding of. Hugs.
Sempre que vou fazer minha curadoria, entro especificamente na tag proofofbrain e então vejo primeiro o que está nos Trendings para ver o que está bombando no dia, e depois vou para a aba New, pois lá sempre tem um ou outro novo usuário perdido que precisa de um suporte inicial para sua caminhada e não acabar desanimando.
Porém por vezes vou para a aba New geral, para ver o quanto está sendo produzido de tokens POB em postagens onde a tag está apenas de enfeite, colocada lá em sétimo ou oitavo lugar, para que possa conseguir algumas moedas.
Por se tratar de um token finito, creio que toda recompensa seja importante uma vez que é escassa (não que as demais não sejam), e dessa maneira creio que estimular as pessoas sobre usar ou não nossa tag e a postar ou não pela nossa front end seja uma tarefa nossa de estímulo.
Eu mesmo uso entre 8 ou 10 tags sempre, para que possa arrecadar outros tokens como 'ash', 'palnet', 'hustler', 'archon', mesmo que coisa de centavos por elas, porém muito porque ainda não fui advertido sobre não usa-lás. Dessa maneira entendi que está tudo bem sempre colocar em minhas postagens.
Como sempre estou testando tags novas, uma vez coloquei a 'hypno', então um usuário veio e me recomendou não usar mais a não ser que de fato fosse uma postagem relativa a tag, para que eu não possuísse tokens indiretamente. Entendi o comentário e não usei mais a tag de maneira aleatória. Afinal, aquela comunidade não gostava daquele comportamento.
Visando essa questão, gostaria de trazer uma discussão para refletirmos sobre, e com isso eu saber como me posicionar perante a essas postagens que usam nossa tag apenas para conseguir alguns tokens aleatoriamente que sempre estão entre 0 a 20 POB. Eu sei que essa quantia não vai fazer ninguém ficar rico, porém com o crescimento de usuários e com mais gente conhecendo nossa tag, essa prática pode aumentar.
Obviamente há usuários frequentes do POB que postam em outros lugares e usam a tag, não é desse tipo de usuário que estou falando, porque no longo prazo ele estará junto conosco, e sim do usuário que nunca esteve por aqui e apenas está usando a tag para produzir tokens e aumentar o número de POB liquido em razão de POB em stake.
Qual a opinião de vocês sobre? Eu deveria dar um voto negativo proporcional a recompensa a arrecada? Deveria apenas comentar dando um alerta? Esse assunto ainda está muito nebuloso em minha mente. Gostaria de ser o mais justo possível, tanto com a comunidade quanto com o usuário.
Espero que possam me trazer alguns pontos de vistas para melhorar meu entendimento sobre. Abraços.
I dont have a good answers but your rigjt about different tribes treating thier tokens different, I once left a STEM in and got downvoted and warned pretty fast!
the same happened to me using the HYPNO tag, since then I have not used it anymore when it wasn’t related to hypnosis or anything like that
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Noise.cash is essentially a blogging platform that gives out small free tips in Bitcoin cash. Why? As best I can tell to get alot of people interested in this crypto. So could we consider these small amount of POB as free marketing? Yes some will sell but other will see the tag and want to learn more... ok this turned into a blog sorry
I agree that yes, I believe that we have to bring up for discussion about the amount of this value.
What is the fair value to pay for this marketing?
I think its a double-edged sword and downvoting any such articles might make you come off as a hypocrite. Just like my Moniker implies, many people on the crypto-blogging space are just here to accumulate as many different tokens as possible first, then fall in love with the projects next, sometimes never.
What I am trying to say is, the POB community would want as much as possible for the project to get much-needed traction and popularity and one of the main ways to get that is by people using the #proofofbrain tags.
Using the tag to earn tokens is fine. We could remove that capability if we wanted to, but I think it's good to have in place for growing the tribe. If the article is low quality that is over rewarded in your opinion than that could be a reasonable time to downvote. But if tokens come easy, they will likely be sold cheap to someone with a longer term vision which benefits everyone.
I would have to agree with this above. Using the tag in other posts and then starting to post from the front end is how I started here.
Likewise on my end.
I find it interesting to allow them to have this reward indirectly. You have to think about a reward limit, in my view logically. I see people who produce content directly from our tag and from our front-end having lower rewards than some who just use the tag, if you want I can quote an example privately for you, so as not to expose people obviously.
I'll always downvote for plagiarism and violent/hate "speech", bullying also. Cleaning a tribe should start with morals and behavioral ethics, besides the content quality ones. We are people, behind those posts and comments.
I think this should be taken into consideration, otherwise, words fly fast about the kind of engagement the tribes have and if the engagement is faulty, then the value will drop in time, no matter what rules you have established for posts' quality.
A human-centered focus is helping other front-ends in Hive value their people more than I have seen it here.
Harassment should also be downvoted. It demotivates people to stay in this tribe, post, or engage.
I've been managing several FB groups since 2010, created by my, Quora groups, Minds ones, I have been managing people in real life as a Unite manager, a coach, a team leader. I know where allowing conflict leads to. Looking the other way and just focusing on ...productivity and quality management ...is never enough. That's my answer and feel free to use it wisely in the future.
@vempromundo @proofofbrainio
I won't offer more details. Last conflict that happened in this place should have been noticed and moderated. It wasn't. I hope other women like me and like the other lady won't get assaulted and called names in here.
I'm publishing a course soon about Hive. I wanted to talk about this place and bring my students in, since most of them are NLP experts, psychologists, neuro marketers, etc. But after the last thing that happened here, I am not sure. So I will be waiting to see which are the real values of this place. I prefer to write here in a comment about this, then in a complex Hive article about POB "synergy" and freedom towards aggresivity.
Won't go into polemics. I'm just here to observe more from now on.
As much as I am quite active around here, I didn't know about it. Can you tell me what happened? If you don't feel good about telling openly, contact me by discord if you are on the POB server, or tell me a means of communication that you are accessible.
I am very sorry to read what you wrote about your discouragement due to certain attitudes, which made you question the values and morals of the community in view of the attitude of some people, I hope you can reconsider in the future.
It's all good now, @vempromundo
Yeah definitely agree with you. I have the same routine check out trending then new posts. I come across alot of posts where they just throw in the tag just to get some extra tokens and thats it. I try to vote for only users that post POB as the main tag.
I believe it was oldman that was recommended people to just drop the tag in all their posts to earn around $15 of POB which I don’t think is the right message we want to send. Yes we want new users to use POB but not by just throwing a tag in on all their posts. And if it wasn’t oldman that posted something like that forgive me my memory is a little shaky.
As far as downvotes go I have never been a fan of it and at this point my downvote won’t really even affect much but maybe when I have enough tokens to make a difference I might start to downvote.
Just my 2 cents.
I believe that a comment in the publication, indicating the person about her attitude, and how she can improve, is a kind of vote, neither negative nor positive, but conscious, it goes that in one of these the person decides to even post with our community
well for the sanity of the community you might need to regulate such actions (if they are done malicously). you want your tokens in the hands of those who value them. i don't post directly here on pob but I stop by every once in a while to comment on posts using the pob interface
I think this attitude is very important, I always check the notifications through the front end of the hive, and then I go to the front end through which the post was published, to answer the user there, I even think that the author does feel better, seeing that you are not alone in the community
Currently I'm too afraid to downvote anything. I just don't know enough about the etiquette yet. But instinctively downvoting feels right, when fail to make me use my brain. It's weird to see sportsresults with the pob tag, for example.
There are also people who are really popular, while I wholeheartedly disagree with them.
But I have to respect, that others deemed the post upvoteworthy.
The only ones I would downvote right now, would be posts that contain clear misinformation. I haven't found any of those. (Not that I'm looking too hard)
I feel the same way, I recently saw a post about rewards over 20 POB, so I opened it to check out the content.
I was going to cast a negative vote, but I backed off after I saw that an analysis of the game was written, so he used his brain to write, it was a proof of brain.
I did not agree with the amount that the post was earning, since there was a post for our community earning a lot less, but I will wait a few more days, and when it is close to the payout, maybe I will see if I will vote or not to decrease the reward of the post
I feel like the use of the tag freely at this point can be a good way to attract people to the front-end, specially if the token keeps valuing.
I only downvote if I see plagiarism or if it's something overpaid. I had a problem with this tag situation in the past, just like you when doing curation, but after the change in the front page it became easy to do it, so I was not worrying about that anymore.
Anyway I think this is an excellent discussion, and maybe a necessary one further the road. So it's best we are putting our minds into it.
Pues yo en mi opinion personal creo que seria mejor primero dar una alerta y ya si el usuario continua hay si tomar otras medidas,
Yo les cuento que soy nuevo en HIVE y pues soy de venezuela y al destrucción de la economia que ha en mi pais me llevo a buscar formas de hacer dinero por eso estoy aca , parece mentira pero aca con 10$ Pudes comer por unos dias , y pues el punto al que quiero llegar es que :
Mucho estan entrando nuevos y pues tienen que ser guidos , no darle un voto negativo sin Aviso ya que no entenderan por que fue y los perjudicaran , es mejor enseñar ,
espero entiendan mi punto y un saludo a todos,
!LUV
Lamento mucho la situación en Venezuela. Pero no te preocupes, no obtendrás un voto negativo sin antes hablar de actitudes.
Creo que tienes mucho que agregar a la comunidad, y la comunidad de Venezuela en HIVE es enorme, eres una puerta excelente para que más de ellos vengan aquí.
Espero que su país pueda salir de esta dictadura lo antes posible y que pueda prosperar.
si es verdad , hace pocos dias vi la comunidad de venezuela en HIVE , y gracias , por los deseos, eso esperamos que esto en mi pais acabe pronto,
Mientras eso pasa nos queda solo buscar Mas formas de Generar ingresos, yo de mi parte estoy explicando a mi familia a como usar HIVE y sus comunidades para que se unan y asi poder ganar algo para Vivir aca ,
Gracias por todo y un saludo
For those that has never been in this interface before, I feel they should get some warning for the first time, then later get downvoted if the act continues
Yes, I also believe that a warning, before a negative vote would be effective amicably
Let's make a consensus among stakers and announce it in public. Downvoting misused tag will not bring future problems. after all written and announce in public.
Yes, we have to have a consensus. I believe that this discussion is evolving little by little, after this post of mine I saw some other people raised some discussions on this topic as well. Even in the comments of my post.
POB acaba sendo um termo muito aberto para várias postagens. Mas quando for algum assunto bem fora daqui, deveria apenas avisar. Voto negativo de cara é ruim
Por exemplo assuntos de filmes... Não faria sentido aqui. Eu sempre cuido com as tags que vou usar para não mandar para tribo um assunto que não tem nada com isso.
Eu revi alguns pensamentos, e de fato não faz sentido o voto negativo direto. Porém, é como tu disse, posts de filme faz muito mais sentido na tribo CINE e não causaria problemas usando a tag do POB.
Creio que o ponto da discussão seria sobre qual a quantidade de POB que uma postagem que não é exclusiva daqui poderia arrecadar. Ainda não cheguei nesse número e acho que a comunidade não chegará em um consenso sobre isso, ficará muito subjetivo para cada curador.
A tag POP é popular porque pode ser usada de uma maneira sem tantas restrições (desde que o usuário use o cérebro para escrever posts de qualidade). No entanto, eu acho que justamente pelo fato de não haver tantas restrições, é que o uso "aleatório" (como eu já vi acontecer em alguns posts) pode acontecer com mais facilidade.
Não sou adepto do downvoting, mas acho que vou começar a ter que fazer isso. Só que eu pretendo aletar o usuário sobre algum erro / equívoco em relação ao uso da tag e não apenas clicar em downvote.
Sim, por ser mais amplo temos que ficar mais atentos ao conteúdo em si, para ver se é de qualidade ou não. E quando digo qualidade, não é do texto em si e sim se de fato a pessoa trabalhou o cérebro para criar aquilo ou só copiou de algum lugar e mudou algumas palavras.
Sim. Esses são pontos a serem observado com atenção.
Muito pertinente essa questão. Eu também uso sempre a tag da pob porque afinal, estou criando conteúdo orgânico e real. Mas não havia pensado nesses "sangue sugas" kakak. Acho que se você tem foco e tempo para tal atividade, seria interessante um protocolo de: primeiro, alertar. Em segunda repetição do ato, dar downvote sim. Principalmente se forem essas pessoas meio "bot" que nem se comunicam. Eu nem sabia que o pob era finito, inclusive. Você tem algum post de sugestão pra aprofundar o conhecimento desse token? Estou adorando ele.
Esse post do @calumam traz algumas respostas, não sei se vai sanar a sua dúvida.
https://www.proofofbrain.io/hive-150329/@calumam/ongoing-pob-discussion-thread-wc-12-04-21
Tu chegou a ler o bluepaper do POB? Senão eu linko pra ti também.
Interesting I use it because of the idea behind it that my stuff fits into!
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I really like when you use gifs in your posts and replies, they are animated. By the way, are you in the videos?
Thank you have been really enjoying making them. It is not me in the videos I am behind the camera it is my son in the videos he also is starting to play on some of the Stick Up Boys songs! There are quite a lot of us in the Stick Up Boys and as the kids get older they are joining in as well....one of the other members son is an awesome rapper and we are producing his first album....
This is a very interesting question, very good to see the perspectives of each one in the comments. I'm new here and I still don't have knowledge about this issue, but reading the comments helped me to understand a little more about this subject. I will follow this discussion and try to reflect on it while I know more about the platform so that in the future I can contribute with it too
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