Can you say "Condescending old man" in two syllables?
Ever wonder what to call that old guy that always gets on your nerves? In English we can say "Jack Ass" or "Old Fart" but that doesn't just cut it. This is the guy that is always trying to teach you the "right" way to do things. He says, "Don't hold your spoon with your left hand." He says, "Didn't anyone ever teach you to hold chopsticks?" He says, "Keep your elbows off the table and don't bend your head when eating. That's the way animals eat."
He begins many sentences with the phrase "In my days". In Korean it is 라떼는 말이야 (Latte-neun Mal-ee-ya). Back in my days we didn't sit around cafe's drinking Latte and cappuccino. We worked our ass off. If we wanted coffee we had to make it from the dirt and mix it with our spit. You kids today don't know how spoiled you are.
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The Koreans have a name for this kind of person. They say Kkondae (꼰대). It has been used a slang used in Korea by teenagers since the 1960s. This word is used for any older person who just overly teaches points that really aren't too important. This word Kkondae has been applied to teachers who instead of building students up just tell them what they don't know not giving students a chance to answer or think.
In college the word kkondae also applies to senior students in fraternities and sororities that try to push stuff on the younger students. These older students are referred to as "kkondae". The word can also carry over to the working place. The seniors who get teachy about how everything should be done not realizing opportunities for change are also called "kkondae" but usually behind their backs.
This word Kkondae probably originated during Japanese colonial time. There were some Koreans who turned their backs on the Korean patriots and sided with the Japanese imperialist. They were given a title of nobility by the Japanese government. At that time they proudly called themselves kkondae. Somehow the name "kkondae" was used to describe old people in the southern providence of Jolla Do. And in the 1960s when universities in Jolla Do were under attack by the force from the militant government students used the word "kkondae" as slang to mean any teachy older person. https://www.joongang.co.kr/article/21649340
How do you say "kkondae" in English? '꼰대' 영어로...?
I never heard anyone call somebody a "condescending old man. Although I have heard of people being called, "an old fart" or "pompous asshole". It's kind of a mixture of those two.
Would I call anyone "kkondae"?
Slang is still frowned down upon by Koreans but when a foreigner says it at just the right moment it can be very funny. I learned this word from my middle school son and it is said that the only thing North Koreans are afraid of is South Korean middle school students. I would be very careful about throwing around this word, but it a fun little slang to know.
Yes! Thank you professor. I just learnt a new korean slang. I'll throw it at a couple of my friends who I think act like old farts, haha.
"Kkondae", I'll like to hear how it sounds like with the korean accent, it would be lovely. Reminds me of something, I can't quite remember it too well. I think it is "ahjussi" referring to an "old man", I used to watch korean movies a lot when I was a teen and that word sticked.
Now. What slang can I teach you??
Ok there's this Ibibio slang "ikpa" that's mostly used in the southern part of Nigeria used to refer to a "guy man". Guys use it among themselves, girls use it to refer to guys. It's just a fun way to call a guy a guy without actually calling him a guy. I hope you understand, haha
The word "ahjussi" is uncle in Korean but can refer to any man who is like an uncle and basically means you are getting old if someone calls you "adjushi". If not then they will call you "student". The word "kkon-dae" is much harsher and is used by teenagers talking about their teachers behind their backs.
Thanks for teaching me the slang word "ikpa". It sounds like the Korean word "nome" meaning guy but it can be a slight curse adding "bad guy".... "nappum nome". !LUV
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This is a good intro to Korean language. Something I'd like to say and see what happens if I get to Korea.
So do the elder ones who get called "kkhondae" get angry
Good question @malopie,
It's usually used in third person but calling it to their face is asking for at least another lecture. However there some interesting elders who would laugh and understand their mistake after hearing it. Korea is advancing a little after all these years, but there will always be some "kkondae".
Yes, "kkhondae's" are not only found in Korea.. They're everywhere.
Thank you for your answer.
Haha, Nice one. I am
Going to use this for my brother to tease him, lol
I'd like to come up with some words every week or so for you to tease your brother with.
Give me something for my husband too 🤣🤣
Nice telling us the meaning of kkondae a Korean slang, Let me teach you a Nigeria slang by a popular musician in Nigeria "Davido" E Choke".
E Choke is street language slang used when someone is surprise about a person sudden achievement.
Like been extremely impressive and choke on air or saliva, thought it might be a bit exaggerated.
E Choke!
Cool @funshee,
This is what I was looking for... a cultural exchange as slang as it it.
In Korea we say "Aye-go" when we are surprised. It sounds a little like "E Choke!"
So, "Davido E Choke is a musician's name?"
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Davido is a Nigerian musician that invented the slang, "E Choke"
Ahhahaha. Super practical one! most 꼰대 are pretty annoying ajussis. Awww. Lately I am quite behind some slangs like cool acronyms. Teach some fresh ones MORE!
You got it @imdazu,
There is a YOLO street in Korea.
I immediately went to google translate to determine how to accurately say Kkondae 🤣. I have one Korean friend here and I will be meeting her on Thursday this week. I will ask her if I pronounced it correctly or not LOL.
Reading this gave me flashbacks to the time when a kkondae told me the same thing. Then he proceeded to burp out loud on the table.
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Let's learn some Korean, 'kkondae' a good start for sure. That's something I would really try if I go to Korea someday, hope I will not get into any trouble 😂😊👍
Those sistars are so ghettoe,
I'm thinking of making language teaching videos in the style of this blog entry. Maybe once a week. I think my students would like it and some who are interested in Korean. I would teach English in a similar manner. I gotta split. Blogging is not passive income, just a past time^^
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I had groovy school going on for a while, but changed my blog to kimchisam meaning in Korean... "Kimchi Teacher"
You seem to like the language a lot.
So how's you "kimchi teacher thingy" going!?
The kid's still call me kimchi sam. It's not a bad nickname. It's easy for them to look for me in the future.