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RE: Pseudo-Science, Antivaxers and colective knowledge (for dummies!)

in GEMS4 years ago

Of course, their reason is totally understandable, fear for their children's health is their main motivation, nobody could argue that is not a good reason to be afraid, but falling for conmen who don't have any interest in their children's or anyone's health is not the answer either

The adverse reaction some people suffer from vaccines are really bad and at the same time really rare, that's why they are so hard to study and find out what is happening, I'm sure no researcher or doctor wants to hurt anybody

The problem is that most anti-vaccination supporters and promoters aren't even inside the small group who suffer from ad reactions from vaccines, they just jumped on the bandwagon, out of fear, yes, but is not even smart to risk not only just your health and your child but the whole society out of fear that a really rare reaction could or not happen to you, researchers have shown this time and time again is most probable to contract polio or some really shitty disease than have an adverse reaction

I'm totally onto finding what the hell is causing some people to react so badly, vaccines should be a risk-free cure, but I can't go against something that has prevented the death of millions of people so easily

btw I'm not mad I just can't find a good gif, and thanks for this comment, these are why I keep going with my posts <3

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I believe the conversations need to be had. We are trying to prevent discrimination of minorities and those who react are minorities, so to not be seen to be trying to do something is not helping the case of the pro vaxxers. Then with the attitude at the moment that when families did have a child react to it instead of sympathy and discussion they get brushed aside and told they must continue, just get it done at the hospital in case they go into anaphylaxis, that's not helping those minorities gain more confidence in vaccines.

Yes, most reactions are mild, but when your baby ends up in a rash from head to toe, while its not life threatening it's not something you're going to want to be seeing every couple of months and it's hard to envision an invisible benefit when your seeing such visible distress. There's also no arguing that some have died or had permanent brain damage from them. Anyone who has experienced these things is going to want to share and warn others that this risk is real, just as anyone who had lost a child to one of the diseases would and they both should be allowed that. Seeing as we no longer get the diseases so much, then the vaccine injury stories and photos are going to be seen a lot more, so it makes sense why people would be jumping on that bandwagon more.

What the pro vaccine group needs to be showing is sympathy towards those who have experienced injuries, but also more openness and literature which compares the risks levels for both the diseases and the vaccines. Openness is the better approach rather than the approach currently being taken, which often seems to be to attack and deny any adverse reactions.

The idea of herd immunity was supposed to be to protect those who do react or are at high risk of reacting so they don't need to be risked again with further vaccines, but those people are finding that they are being bullied and coerced into continuing to vaccine despite reactions and their children being hospitalised.

I totally agree, education is the way to make things better, the literature is out there, but I have to argue that sometimes is really hard to get, that's one of the reasons I do my best to make these posts this is my best, sorry if I disappoint lol of course not everyone is a health professional to go headfirst into the papers (even some pros don't get that stuff) the best thing to do is keep educating, sometimes is hard, confronting fear with logic is proven to be not very effective and it's worst when you face some culty behaviors, but yeah, I think perseverance is the key

Hmm, the end of my comment went missing...odd.

I know what you mean about the literature. It's not easy to work through. That's why I think simplified comparisons might be a better way to go. The percentage chances the different types of reactions to the vaccines and the diseases, for example.

Interestingly, those who have vaccine injured or lost a child to vaccine have often done more research on them and the history than the rest of us, so you don't want to go up against them without being fully versed.

Yeah, it's really curious but I guess it has to do with the fact that something happened with the vaccine, I mean, if nothing happens at all that issue will not draw your attention, but if it do, is normal to look into it to know what is going on.

I always say everyone should be versed on things we do every day or happens to anyone, of course, well-researched studies and literature is what I recommend, I wouldn't point someone directly to some conman, I hate when those guys win and trick innocent people

They're not conmen. They certainly don't lie in order to trick people and what they've researched is correct, maybe just one sided. Their motives aren't sinister, they just don't want anyone else to go through what they've been through and they'd be just as horrified if they convinced someone not to vaccinate and they lost their child to the disease.

I believe sometimes we can read too much into someone's motives, yet when it boils down to it they are really much simpler than we think.

Oh no, I guess I expressed myself incorrectly there, I don't mean by conmen those who advocate for antivaccination and have gone through bad experiences, but those who use the fear of those with horrible experiences to sell them snake oils and that kind of stuff, I mean, they are already beaten down by their situation, selling them healing crystals is not a solution and it's wrong in so many levels

Oh, can't say I've encountered that. Maybe that's why I assumed you meant the other.