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Why The Downvotes?
I woke up this morning to a shed load of downvotes and thought I had done something seriously wrong. Once I checked it turns out all I had done was move my SBI's over to Hive. Not a big deal? Apparently it is to some and had no idea. I got caught in the middle of something that I had no idea was a thing apparently.
They say it is the same as buying votes yet what they are doing is hypocritical. @ctime is leasing from @dlease and curating making extra curation and downvoting using the added leases at the same time. I expect some of you don't even know what mayhem you are causing by renting your Hive Power out to @dlease. This is wrong and needs to be stopped immediately. Some of the users being hit with these downvotes are very small and honestly they are going to leave if something isn't done about this.
Surely as a community who are trying to attract users without all this type of bull shit flying around needs to come together and resolve this. I don't know what the answer is as I am too small, but firstly the leases need to be removed.This wont stop me from making a stand and drawing a line in the sand though as I know other way.
Out of principle I will not back down as I am no hypocrite and will face this head on with the others who are being hit daily. I will be powering up as soon as I can and have already joined the @ihealyou trail with as much as I can with 100 percent voting.
What would help is if other users could join the trail whether it is just 1% or even 5% as they all add up if there are enough. A 100 percent vote is actually minimal as it works out far less than it sounds. It looks like 1 vote is then split by around 12 smaller votes as I first added 20 percent and received a 1.6% percent vote. Steem Basic Income was developed to help the platform grow guaranteeing you a vote so why should that be lost because of the actions from a few accounts? I have this afternoon delegated some HP to the cause.
I am asking the bigger accounts like @theycallmedan,@blocktrades and all the others who can help to see how this can be fixed. I thought we had left all the crap behind with Steem and obviously that was wishful thinking. I believe it is time to close ranks and sort this out once and for all as we all need to move forward and make this place as pleasant experience for everyone as possible.How can we have new users being subjected to this type of behavior?
These are the accounts that have been downvoted today and there is nothing wrong with these users. Most of them I know and are respected members of our community.
There are too many to list but @snook,@jongolson do not deserve this as with all the rest don't either.
@ihealyou is a recovery bot that was coded voluntarily by a member of the SBI community. It upvotes posts with the same percentage that they were downvoted by the attacker. It first checks that the author is an SBI member and is not included on any community blacklist.
Since the attacker only uses their free DV power, following @ihealyou trail would only use a small percentage of your VP, and usually in bursts. It is recommended to follow instead of delegate, since that same logic means that the lead account will be at full VP 75% of the time.
We believe the SBI (now Hive SBI) has a proven track record of boosting retention and supporting the community. We follow @buildawhale and @hivewatchers blacklists, along with keeping an internal list to deal with #abuse-reports that are brought into our Discord server.
I delegated and am on the trail as I believe it is important we keep users instead of chasing them away. SBI/HBI was a perfect tool for keeping new users as they were guaranteed a vote no matter what happens. This kept me going right in the beginning and it is that important.
When the DV attacks against SBI first started on Steem after HF21, I very seriously considered wrapping up the project and issuing refunds to everyone. However, I heard hundreds of testimonials along the lines of 'I only stayed active the last xx period because of regular SBI support'.
When Hive forked from Steem, we did not think it was right to abandon our community. We migrated to Hive and shared our airdrop with our members in the form of Hive SBI memberships, even though our original terms never said anything about supporting any forks.
During this nascent period where many people are still making decisions about which blockchain will be the most receptive to their work, we think it especially important for community members to find Hive even more receptive than Steem.
SBI/HBI in my opinion is the most powerful tool we have for keeping new accounts on here. I remember some days the only votes I received were from SBI. One would be a fool to get rid of your strongest weapon. This needs to go higher than you and me and seriously the community needs to vote on this. Simple decision as that is the only way.
He catches a lot of abuse categories that hivewatchers don't catch. I admit there are more 'false positives' on his list, but we also offer a review process and can override the result and still deliver votes if a Hive SBI member brings an appeal to me.
I have been downvoted in the past as well. It is really too bad that these accounts are attacking smaller accounts for shares that were probably gifted to them in the first place. How can you call it vote buying when the shares were gifted to you?
I think that is the pint. Many were given these when they were small and growing. This is the perfect tool for new accounts as we can gift them on a regular basis and they benefit from this.
Here's another problem with this guys downvotes...
I bring in dozens of people to HIVE a week. And they are told to go follow accounts, and now they see this
It doesn't show decentralization, it shows 'abuse' as far as they understand and then these new people won't feel welcomed, won't feel like the accounts they are told to follow are 'safe'...And there goes your chance to bring in a new contributing member of HIVE
This is internal. And we can stop it now. If MKKK just worked with SBI to come to a conclusion, all this could be resolved. Instead we have ego and pride stopping us from seeing the bigger picture.
Notice the flagger avoids big conversation like this.
Don't worry he doesn't really have the community support.
He's a compulsive liar anyways he says things like "I only flag for the amount of SBI upvotes you have" ... which is untrue.
I'm not sure why he hasn't been completely defunded and blacklist but I imagine that's happening eventually. Flagging trusted community members like @snook and @ecoinstant who do a lot for new users and arent even anonymous is INSANE. Wouldn't normal protocol be to WARN them about the scam? These people aren't even involved with the token as far as I know.
This person is literally interfering with people using their liquid hive to help new users.
I am so tired of the ridiculous downvotes by this guy. He discourages so many from using Hive- a one man Hive wrecking crew. HBI has the power to help so many new users. I'm following @ihealyou.
@ctime et. al, and their abuse of the participants of SBI are a significant reason why I'm moving my resources out of the Hive ecosystem.
I think wait a while as this can be fixed. Hive shouldn't be losing existing accounts for 1 or 2 accounts actions.
Why?
I just woke up to this mess...
If you do not like my content and want to downvote it I have no problem with that but you are not doing that. You are downvoting new posts and old posts because I wanted to help retain people on the blockchain.
Those SBI/HBI votes were some of the only votes people received when they started and had zero powered up HP.
It gave them hope. It gave me hope.
It was so nice not to have to worry about the whole mmmmmmmmmmmkkkkkkk downvote thing here on Hive. I was very sad to see it return.
With all that is going on in the world, Hive is my happy place. For a LOT of reasons I need it to be my happy place but the people that are downvoting HBI posts do not know that because they do not read my posts. The downvotes have NOTHING to do with my content but ALL to do with me helping others.
The world is burning and you are just adding to it by downvoting posts just because of WHO voted on the post and not what the post is about.
We all have to look at ourselves in the mirror each day and be happy with what we see.
I do not know you but all you are doing by downvoting upvoted HBI posts is DISCOURAGING people to post. This is not good for Hive and the growth of it.
While people lose their jobs or can not work, you feel the tiny bit of income they might receive from making a post that gets voted on by HBI needs to be downvoted I can not stop you.
I will give you a bit of background about me. I started here with nothing. ALL the HP I have I earned through posting for the last THREE years. I can not work due to health issues so this is the only income I receive.
I did this whole mmmmmmmmmmmkkkkkkkkkk thing over on Steem. I was tired of it there and sad to see it on Hive.
Thank You for taking the time to read this comment if you did @ctime
This...Is what HIVE represents for me. Thank you for sharing Snook!
You are very welcome!!
Still a negative though as that could be used to help others grow instead of just repairing damage.
Boring? I think you are not being very clever as you are trying to chase users away with your negativity. You do so much good with your upvotes but it doesn't make sense with your downvotes. I agree downvotes should be used for abuse, but where is the abuse? explain where these users have gone wrong in what they have done. I moved my SBI over to Hive 3 or 4 days ago and to be honest had no idea it was a touchy subject. SBI/HBI is the best tool for keeping new accounts on the block chain yet you don't see it. This is not abuse, but retention of users.
I see what you do and honestly think that side of your account is superb. What you have to understand about me is I started from 0 and only now after the fork am I going to have a meaningful vote. I am getting my steem across and will be doing loads more stuff. I am all about growth as that has been me for 27 months. You are down voting an account that has never taken anything out and is supporting others. I have a small delegation to Curangel which will be topped up once more Hive is staked over the coming weeks.
@ctime: as I pointed out in @cryptoandcoffees previous post he seems to be selective in the posts he downvotes and those are ALWAYS the ones that have been manually curated. The downvotes wipe out the curation award AND the SBI vote.
This makes no sense.
I would understand if he were targeting my posts that were only upvoted by SBI and autovotes but he deliberately targets posts that have been curated.
The downvoting is NOT about curation, it is NOT about protecting the reward pool. It is about power and the abuse of that power.
There's posts where he says he only flags the SBI upvote. this dude is a liar he doesnt give a fuck about the chain.
@ctime How am I abusing HIVE....Please explain that to me?
I followed your buddy MKKK's rule, didn't buy a single SBI for 4 months now because I didn't wanna get dragged through the mud.
But you guys still downvote me 'for life' now?
You forget, I put my blood, sweat and tears into this blockchain too. Just like you. And everything I have done in the past 3 years has been to help HIVE grow.
You do awesome things for this blockchain with your curation. Why hurt the same people that have the same goal as you do?
I agree with this as well as there are some of us here who only want the best for everyone. I have a 5 year plan to grow and help others and not even halfway yet. @jongolson brings new users in and they see this happening. I haven't bought an sbi/hbi for over a year. No I lie it is much longer than that, but still it is about the people here. Maybe the rules can be changed that new users up to a certain Hive Power or something can have HBI. This can be worked out though I am sure.
I get that 100 percent and feel the same way. Why are we butting heads when in fact we see things the same way? Surely there is a compromise somewhere here? We both want Hive to succeed and to have real value. I want everyone who has invested real money and time to come out on top.