The Beginning - TradFi on HIVE

in TradFi12 days ago (edited)

Hello to my fellow Hivians,

I just wanted to start off by giving people in crypto kudos. People in crypto are very talented at understanding liquidity and capital flows. It is really hard to get this experience when trading traditional investments because there is so much money there. I have learned A LOT by joining HIVE. Many people on HIVE are very educated in irregular ways which works to our advantage. Retail traders rarely influence liquidity in a noticeable way with traditional investments. What happened with Gamestop stock is one of those few exceptions. Most retail traders still got crushed in the Gamestop trade due to lack of education. A lot of retail traders got greedy and yoloed in at the top of Gametstop (more than once over a multiple year period) when there was no liquidity. Gamestop issued a lot of stock to add liquidity and "capture" this overvaluation by selling equity for cash. CEOs legally have to react this way when this happens. Every US based stock is legally required to do what is in long-term shareholder's best interest. These Gamestop events happened, more than once, at the expense of short-term traders but at the benefit of long-term GameStop shareholders. This also brought Gamestop's valuation back to "reality."

I want to first address the multiple elephants in the room:

1. People in "Crypto" that "Hate" Traditional Finance and Wall Street

I think this hatred is very common in crypto. It comes from a real place. Corrupt bankers and politicians have been destroying our societies and our communities indirectly for a long time now. I do not think they even realize the extent to which we care about our communities over money and what they have awoken in us; we are fighting them in our way and they are losing even if it doesn't seem like it right now. Wall Street "threw in the towel" and joined us when the Spot Bitcoin ETFs were created in the US. These ETFs will probably blow up in their face one day and it will create a lot of problems when they cannot control Bitcoin anymore. Right now they can control Bitcoin fairly easily and I am convinced they are doing it right now. The SEC in the US tried to stop the Spot Bitcoin ETFs from getting approved for this reason; it is well documented. I think people, like the people on Wall Street, thought they were all powerful and they could just turn crypto off. They did try to turn crypto off. Almost every major government has made some attempt to stop crypto. Some of these attempts were more forward like straight bans of using crypto. Some of these attempts were very tactical by creating confusion about what is legal and how to pay taxes. Tax law on crypto is, for the most part, still globally incoherent and most people know it. Some people literally do not invest in crypto because the taxes is too complicated or doing things in this space is not straight forward.

2. My current profile picture may seem provocative to people in crypto. It depicts a business man in the city. I am not a business man who lives in the city. I am a person who started trading stocks at a young age. My parents gave me $500 and a brokerage account for my 18th birthday. Neither of my parents invested in stocks in a serious way but I was interested in finance from a very young age. My parents giving me what I needed to invest in the stock market at a young age helped me a lot and I benefited from it to this day. I did not benefit because I made money early, but because I made my most expensive mistakes when I did not have "a lot" to lose. In the beginning I mostly invested in very high yield dividend stocks and most these firms went bankrupt and I lost most my investment. Losing most my investment when I did not have "a lot" to lose was a good lesson for my long-term success.

3. The desire to ignore Traditional Finance methods (in the crypto space) because of the people who use them (Wall Street)

Most modern finance is based on very old knowledge that pre dates modern society. For example, "Time Value of Money," one of the most important concepts in finance, dates back to 5000 BC. Pretty crazy I know. Discounted Cash Flow methods date back as early as 1772 which pre dates the United States. There is evidence that DCF concepts predate 1772 but a lot of that is hard to prove and it is really not worth proving to be honest. It is just a tool.

4. I have never started a community on HIVE before

I have very vague knowledge on what I am doing when building a community on HIVE. I am assuming I will make mistakes so I would appreciate feedback as we move along. If you become a member, I want YOUR feedback so we can improve the community for all of us, not just you.

If there are any other "elephants" you want addressed please let me know in the comments.

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Community Mission Statement - A mutually beneficial Traditional Finance community that teaches Hivians how to become better investors with non crypto investments.

I am a part of this mission. I want people here to teach me. I have only learned since I joined this space. I am still learning to this day. I love it. People have always been teaching me in crypto and I appreciate the people who have done this and take the time to get to know me on the HIVE blockchain and share "their" ideas with me.

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Community format:

We will have different types of content that is allowed based on a different criteria:

1. Sharing stock analysis (this excludes technical analysis or guessing prices). There needs to be logic for why you think something is worth discussing. "The price is cheap or high right now" is a perception that must be backed up by something other than price data)
2. Writing about the "approved" educational topics (a)
3. Low level economic discussions. I am leaning towards only supply and demand topics for economics right now. If there are more advanced economic discussion you would like to talk about, please ask in the comments.
4. Comment content creators are strongly encouraged to join (people who do not want to post but want to ask questions are strongly encouraged to join).
5. I will remove members without hesitation and we can talk before anyone gets added back. I do not want to cut anyone off but this is my community so I want serious people here who want to learn and share knowledge.

(a) The current approved educational topics will be covered below the not allowed section. I will edit this post and add more topics overtime.

Content that is not allowed:

1. No Technical Analysis
2. No day trading
3. No Crypto Investments (No HIVE talk, No L2 talk, No Bitcoin talk, etc) We have enough of this stuff on HIVE now so we do not need more.
4. No Crypto Treasury Companies (Some companies are a hybrid so please let me know in the comments if you are not sure about a certain company before posting)
5. AI text (This is getting hard to prove but I will watch for this and remove people who do this). I want to know what YOU think, not AI. I can ask AI what it thinks whenever I want.
6. Delisted stocks or "Penny stocks"

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Approved Educational Topics:

Context - I will be doing my own analysis of firms and providing as much of my personal data and thought process as I can. I am not hiding anything but I will not make a bunch of google sheets we share with each other. Mainly because it is not necessary and putting links in spreadsheets and sharing it with people all over the world has a lot of risk. I only recommend sharing google sheets with people you "trust" and even then you should be careful.

As I value a firm, I will do it "slowly" and in a lot of posts so people can follow along and do their own valuations or analysis and share with the community.

This community will be like a book where I will start with less complicated topics and move into more abstract and more complex topics.

If you want to go the educational route here are the topics you can start with:
• Accounting basics using GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles)(b)
• Time Value of Money
• Discounted Cash Flow
• Present Value and Future Value
• Supply and demand

(b) I am not "good" with IFRS (International Financial Reporting Standards). If someone here is, I am open to letting this content in, but we need to discuss it in the comments first please. This is a hard area for me because my feedback in the beginning would not be useful. GAAP is what is most used by "big" public companies. This is because all companies that want to get listed on US stock exchanges must also report with GAAP. Lots of international stocks out there but many countries exclude western investors from investing in their stocks or do not have the controls where US institution will let retail investors buy international stocks in some markets.

Examples for (b):
1. I cannot easily buy stocks from India unless they have established ADRs (American Depositary Receipts). India is very protective of its stock market from western investors which is probably smart.
2. The US will not let me easily invest in the Nigerian stock market because insider trading was basically legal in Nigeria until 2007. After Insider trading was made illegal in Nigeria no one got arrested in a serious way so western markets do not take the Nigerian stock market seriously and western markets do not want their residents investing in these companies.

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I strongly recommend against buying anything when trying to learn about finance or economics or accounting. Most of finance is very old knowledge and most of it cannot even be copyrighted.

Investopedia is a really good resource and I use it all the time. AI is good at these topics usually but you need to be careful when AI is just giving you summaries from Reddit because the stuff on Reddit for finance is usually wrong or very biased.

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Curation, Upvotes, Downvotes, Giveaways:

• I will make a curation account for this and fund it myself. I do not recommend delegating to it because the curation rewards will be my money and I will not pay an APR. Also, if you delegate to the curation account and then post in the community I will not upvote you with the curation account. I get enough heat for doing anti abuse on HIVE, I do not want people accusing us of vote trading.

• I will not curate my own posts with the curation account. If I do, it is most likely an accident and please call me out for this on chain so I can undo it.

• I will upvote posts and comments subjectively with my stake based on my personality. If you talk to me a lot you will likely get more appreciation from me in the form of upvotes. I am not a robot and I do like some people more than others. If I lie about my biases that doesn't help anyone here and it creates the illusion I am perfect. I am not perfect because I am human.

• This community will be members only so I will ask people to change their content based on our standards before I downvote anything. If I do not meet this standard please let me know and I will try to correct it in a way that is practical and reasonable.

• High KE. If someone has a high KE I will let them know that before they become a member. I downvote based on KE sometimes so if you have a "high" KE we will need to talk about what that means and if you are wanting to stay in the ecosystem for a long time (at least 5+ years).

• Giveaways - I will subjectively tip good posts (not comments) with HIVE not upvotes. These tips will be random and not consistent. If I am having a good day the number will likely be higher 😅

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I tried to cover all the bases but I could have missed something. If you want to be a member of this community I am going to make a snap and ask who wants to join. You can go there to request access or leave a comment on a different post.

Side Note - I learned all this stuff because I want to know who I am trading against, "Wall Street." I did this so I can understand their moves and move with them or front run them rather than chasing their trades and getting crushed.

Have a wonderful weekend and I am looking forward to creating something awesome together!

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Sincerely,

Hurt

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Can I post about what I'm learning and how my learning is progressing?

Is it the supply and demand economic stuff I shared with you the other day?

Yes, for the moment that's the one I'm reading

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Please do!

If it is easier for you to write in your own language and you want to provide a translated version as well that is preferred to be honest.

I would rather you write in a way that is easiest for you.

If you do use a translator please just provide a citation for the translator you are using. This way other people in your position can follow your lead and do something similar.

Thanks again!

Good luck! Starting a new community is great for Hive. I curate in two communities...LMAC and the Inkwell. It's actually hard work, if you want to have a positive influence on Hive.

I won't be making any comments, probably, here because I know nothing about finance. I will be a student :). One blogger I read here who seems to know a lot about financial analysis is @steemychicken1. I don't know if that's the kind of stuff you will be dealing with.

Anyway, just wanted to make one comment to say I really like the idea and hope the community takes off.

Well you do not need to be an expert or have any knowledge to leave comments.

Less knowledgeable people will have better questions in my opinion but we will see lol

If you would like to be a member (member is not an endorsement), so you can leave unmuted comments if you have questions, I would be happy to have you here.

Just let me know if you would like to be a member and then what you say won’t be muted.

Your call of course, just let me know 🙂

Of course I would like to be part of the community. Thank you for opening the door :)

Glad to have you!

Membership settings were changed cause it did not work like I thought based on the description

Thanks for letting me in :)

No problem. You said you will be a student and ask questions which is great!

I will be a student too so this has a high chance of being a win win in my opinion.

I reckon I will subscribe, not to post but to consume as I have always been interested in tradfi more so than crypto I would say

I'll will just add you as a member so you can leave comments if you so choose btw.

No need to post blogs unless you want to. Comments are helpful.

Sounds top donk to me!

Awesome! I will get you added as a member today! (I don’t sleep much so today could be a while from now 🤣)

Cheers!

Hello @hurtlocker
I wish you a Happy New Year.
I found this community and wanted to post here:
https://peakd.com/hive-143901/@blkchn/2025-dax-besser-als-nasdaq-100-und-sandp-500-dax-better-than-nasdaq-100-and-sandp-500

Now I get this error message: I am not allowed to post, because I am no member.

I subscribed, is that not sufficient?
Can you help me?

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That post clearly fits the rules. You need to be manually added as a member by me to post.

Also your KE is very "good" which is something I look at when adding members. (right now if people have a KE over 2 I do not want them included). Not everyone agrees with the KE thing but that is one of the benefits of having your own community... I get to make the rules 😉

Thanks for reaching out. I will add you as a member and unmute your post.

Happy New Year!

Thanks very much.
Have a nice evening.

Good luck!

Thanks man! ❤️

Hello friend, I'd like to enter 2026 building creative investment strategies. Those with little need vision and knowledge to prosper.

As I enjoy acquiring knowledge, I'm interested in joining your community. I've read the rules and insights to help make the community healthy.

Thank you very much.

Sorry I thought I responded to this. You have been added! Feel free to check out my latest post on Time Value of Money. I am open to feedback 😊

No problem. Thanks 🤝

Yes, I've already had the opportunity to read your post, and I liked it. Very didactic and pedagogical. Thank you.

I notice that your posts have many interactions through comments.

If you allow me, I'll make a suggestion: participate in the @commentrewarder initiative. I don't know if you're familiar with it.

Thank you for the suggestion! I will give commentrewarder a look and see if it is a good fit.

Thanks for the feedback on the post 😊 I do like "teaching" or at least sharing knowledge because usually how I learn is by talking to other people 😊

Without a doubt, the best way to acquire knowledge is to share and assimilate teachings with others.

Thanks for starting this community and good luck.

I can't do it alone. Thank you for posting!

As I mentioned before, I'm really interested in the group, I'd love to join 😊. Just confirming, is this the link to the group: "https://ecency.com/created/hive-143901"?

Thank you! Yep that's it!

Cheers!

It seems like you've been quite busy lately, as I haven't seen you online much. Anyway, Happy New Year! I hope this year brings you tons of new success🥂✨

Just came back from an overseas trip and got around to reading it in full. Can't say I'll be posting much but I'll be subscribing to this community on my Peakd Communities List.

Interested in joining as a member too! 👍

Awesome! I hope you had a good trip! We already got a really good post from one of the members.

Thank you for subscribing!

I will get you added as a member shortly.

Cheers!

I would like to make some posts in this community. Let me know what the next steps.

I will stick to ETF related crypto discussion. All paper :)

Perfect! Thank you! I will get you added as a member today!

When this comment gets curated by TradFi-Curator it will be because you have officially been added.

Thanks again!

Congratulations on the launch of TradFi.
Crypto ETFs are a great business for investment fund managers. They've boosted their revenue with the management fees they're charging.

For sure! Also the fees on the ETFs are tiny right now compared to most ETFs. A bit of a marketing trick in my opinion.

If/when blackrock and fidelity (and the many others) increase fees on the BTC ETfs, they will make crazy money.

Argentina has a unique situation. If you buy and sell BTC on an exchange, you pay taxes on your profits. However, if you buy a CEDEAR (similar to a US ADR) of a Bitcoin ETF, you don't pay tax on the gains.

That is super interesting. I wonder what the logic for that is. Any idea?

BTW. Please let me know if you would like to be a member so comments are not muted.

I know you expressed interest but I do not want to add people without them asking because then certain people will not ask out of principal 😅

Add me

I've subscribed, and I'm intrigued about this community. I am no TradFi expert, though. So my comments may not add much value.

my comments may not add much value.

The less you know, the more questions you will likely have and the more other people (including myself) can learn from this community.

I will get you added today! Thank you!

It warms my heart you are stopped by and I am glad you are here.

This is interesting I am going to look into this!

I don't know about the bank liquidity situation. The Robin Williams video is funny.

"I just ran into some bad sub prime" 😂

Polymarket predicts 71% chance of a bank failure / bailout by end of Jan.

You didn't leave a link to the community in your post for people to join, or is it are you the one to add people by yourself?

I have interest in joining the community.

To join you just need to ask to join in my snap or the comments.

I did it a little differently to see how many people read the post 😅

Add me to the community please.

You have been addded!

Thanks!

Thanks for adding me. I will take a look at the community and check out the posts that has been posted. If you have any topic you feel like recommending to write about, please let me know.

Time Value of Money

Good topic. I will do my diligence to research on the topic. Expect the post within the next 12 hours.

I will add the link though. Thank you for the feedback.

This is a great opportunity and I did love to be a part of it and add value. Thank you @hurtlocker

Thank you too!

i am expressing my interest to be a member. Just how? 😅

I need to add you! Thanks for requesting access! I will add you soon!

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You are very welcome!

Such a great introductory post for creating a new community. Moreover, not only for its creation, but also to sustain its existence.

I don't have in-depth knowledge of the subject itself, but it's always a pleasure to learn more each day (especially anything that's useful, obviously). I hope that I can truly contribute effectively to the growth of this project.

Count on me in this journey, @hurtlocker.

I hope that I can truly contribute effectively to the growth of this project.

People can contribute effectively by writing what they enjoy and writing what they want to learn about.

I do not expect every post people make in TradFi to be "100%" correct. I mean most of finance is just a theoretical representation of what we think is happening. Many of the things I believe are debatable but those debates are very interesting when made in good faith.

Like for instance, there are lots of different economic theories and varying schools of thought. Usually each economic school of thought is "right" in some way but it just depends on the context.

Capital Markets are math based but also heavily influenced by people. People on average are dramatic and move with the heard; people who naturally behave this way and actively trade tend to lose a lot of money and then walk away and believe irrational things. I regularly meet people that tell me it is hard to make money in the US stock market. Well that is patently false, it is just hard to make money in stocks when actively trading and doing what everyone else is doing.

All your comments on this post are hidden...any specific reason or I am getting it wrong ?🤔🤔

People need to request membership first.

Wow... sounds like man on a mission..🔥

Yes. If you want to be a member so your comments are not muted just let me know.

The more real folks the better (:

Learning is better...so I am in 🍻....if possible try to contribute.

Comments are more than enough.

If you try to make a post just look at the rules please.

A lot of the topics I listed are fairly “basic.” You can look any of them up on investopedia and it will provide most of the details.

I read them...seems there is a identical community "finance & economy" ... @spectrumecons would be interested to share more about economics..he is very good.

and also I do not know what I am doing with this community. Learning as I go lol 😅

Yes that's important....learning something new everyday is important...looking forward to gain from this community... if I cant able to contribute i can learn from others insight on the topics....especially the stocks.

I am currently away from Hive for the last few days… be back soon more active. But of course I am sill 5% online. I will curious about some stuff and maybe share some stocks that Im investing one day …

Awesome! Sounds great!

TradFi is pretty much where I started out, back in the NASDAQ crazy days of tech and biotech stocks, and the infancy of online trading.

It sounds interesting, but I'm mostly interested from the perspective of being a content consumer, not a creator.

Good luck with it!

TradFi is pretty much where I started out, back in the NASDAQ crazy days of tech and biotech stocks, and the infancy of online trading.

TradFi history sounds interesting! Yea Biotech stocks had a good run but went the route of most "trades" that leverages speculation rather than the art of the possible.

I have no knowledge in any of those subjects, so I can't give good advice, but I'm sure many experts here will give you lots of useful tips.

https://peakd.com/c/hive-143901/created

You should read the description before you leave a comment 😉

If you want to be a member please ask

I was speaking more from my own perspective as a user, because I see many people using terms I've never encountered before, and I get lost many times. But as always, the translator doesn't always help to convey that feeling in the translation. But it seems like what you're doing will be fantastic.

No that is great you were speaking from your own perspective and I think more people should.

I just meant you being "not an expert" means you will be a better participant. It says that in the description. 😅

Please let me know if you would like to be added as a member and I will add you.

Thanks!

@gungunkrishu you expressed interest previously. Please let me know if you would still like to join.

Hope you are having a good weekend!

This is a great opportunity and I did love to be a part of it and add value. Sent request to join the community. Thank you @hurtlocker

Yes having a good weekend and hope you are also enjoying.. Have a great day.. Cheers

Sorry for the delay getting added. Had to step away and get some rest. I didn't get much sleep last night.

Cheers! You are added! ❤️

Great. I've subscribed. I'm interested in becoming a member. I have several posts in mind that I'd like to share. 😁

Your KE is over 2 and I am not adding new people that have a KE over 2 atm.

There will always be some exceptions though; I am not promising anything and I can always change my mind at some point in the future.

You can still comment and engage to have an opportunity to get rewards in some cases though. Not being a member does not mean you have to sit on the sidelines. Just no blog posting in TradFi community unfortunately.

Don't place too much importance on KE. If someone uses the Reward app, they'll have an excellent KE and can withdraw all their earnings from the network.
Furthermore, you can have a high KE but also have a lot of money invested in the Hive ecosystem. For example, someone might have almost no HP and at the same time have a large Splinterlands gift card account.

I think that is a pretty complicated discussion.

To what extent L2 stuff has to do with the reward pool is an interesting topic.

I think using the reward app does not mean KE is less important. It is more, do we need an adjusted KE that includes other things?

I feel like reward app is a service and if it does not impact KE that makes sense to me. If I delegate to a curator and they pay APR, should I adjust my KE for those curation rewards that are liquid? I would think no but it seems debatable and I do not have a strong enough opinion on including other things to sit on either side of that debate.

KE is the most objective measure we have when it comes to downvoting and that’s why I like it. Adding nuance to KE makes it more subjective and I do not want to over complicate KE.

Not disagreeing with you or agreeing, I need to think about it more.

Thanks for sharing!

If you want to lobby to remove a downvote please do it on this post https://peakd.com/hive/@hurtlocker/downstream-consequences-of-framing-a-downvote-as-an-attack

Just a friendly reminder to people leaving comments.

You need to request being a member to leave unmuted comments.

Being a member does not mean you endorse me or the community.

The people who do not consider themselves experts will likely have the best comments.

If you read blog posts and leave comments related to the post, I consider you a “comment content creator” and I would love to have you here.

First time I’m doing a community so things could get bumpy but I’m open to feedback as always!

Greetings friend, I've been checking out your community I'd like to join but for the moments to comment and of course learn until I feel ready to post

It would be a pleasure if you would accept me