Starting the germination process on my pine seeds

in HiveGarden5 days ago

Reading the instructions on the packages of my seeds, there are a few steps required to get these seeds to sprout. Prepping the seeds requires scarification and stratification. The first being done differently on a seed to seed basis. For pine seeds I simply soak them in water for 24 hours. For other seeds you may need to sand down the outside coating of the shell or cut off a small piece to allow water to get inside. But from what I read, mostly on bonsai forums where many grow pine trees. They say just soaking them in room temperature water is fine.

Many kinds of seeds, different shapes but all pine seeds. I wonder how different they will look, the structure and colors of the needles should have different appearances.

Step 1: Scarification

As I took seeds out of their packaging I labeled the cups they will go in.

With water added, I place them out of the way for a day and come back after they soak for 24 hours.

Some of the seeds have appeared to shed a waxy coating. Must be why soaking them is important. Helps the seeds get started. Don't worry I did not soak them in isopropyl alcohol... just well water. Some people do recommend a tiny bit of hydrogen peroixide to assist in breaking down the shells coating and supplying oxygen to the seeds. But I did not try this way.. just well water, room at temperature.

Step 2: Stratification

Once the seeds have soaked for a day, its time to drain off the water and place them on damp towels.

A second towel that is dry is added to help balance out the moisture trapped in the bags. They are placed in sandwich bags that will go in the fridge.

Keeping them all labeled still, its important to keep track as they all stratify for different periods of time.

Most of the seeds want to be cold stratified for at least 42 days, but some for up to 120 days. Two pines (Pinus Koraiensis) and (Pinus Cembra Sibricia) require warm stratification. So i separated them and placed them by a sunny window in bags. Hopefully that will work for them.. Never done a warm stratification before so that is new to me.

Below is a list of exactly how long I need to stratify:

Pinus Pinea (Italian Stone Pine / Umbrella Pine): None required, but a cold stratification of 6 weeks (42 days) helps germination.

Pinus Koraiensis (Chinese Pinenut / Korean Pine): Warm stratify for 60 days and then cold stratify for 90 days.

Pinus Eldarica (Afghan Pine / Mondell Pine / Lone Star Christmas Tree / Desert Pine / Elder): Cold stratify for 30 days.

Pinus Cembra Sibirica (Swiss Stone Pine / Siberian Pine): Warm stratify for 60 days and then cold stratify for 120 days.

Pinus Pumila (Dwarf Siberian Pine / Japanese Stone Pine): cold stratify for 120 days.

Pinus Gerardiana (Chilghoza Pine / Gerald's Pine Nut / Nepal Nut Pine): Cold stratify for 30 days.

So as we can see it varies from pine nut to pine nut. But anywhere from 42 days to 180 days is how long it may take. And even longer for those that need both warm and cold stratification. Curious to see how well they germinate, looks like I will be filling plant trays this winter with them under grow lights. And then will put them outside in pots for their first spring/summer. Give them one more winter indoors and then possibly plant after. So its a long term project, but should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

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LFG PINE SEEDS !!!

gogogo pines

I wish you success in your process and planting

Thank you, hopefully it will all go well.

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Always go ahead my friend, nothing and nobody stops you in your excellent work in Phytotechnology, which is my career as a university teacher in Agriculture, it is not easy, there are always inconveniences, but your perseverance is your main ally. Best wishes.

Will do, I will post updates as more happens. But they will stay in the fridge for awhile.

So true, perseverance and my health.. which gives me perseverance is key.

Always forward, you are a very prepared person in agricultural matters. Best wishes.

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I would be interested in knowing more about this as it goes along.

Is this treatment good for ALL seed growth or is it different for every plant? !PIMP !LOVE

Well this is my first time growing pine seeds, so it will be quite the learning process for me.

It really all depends on the seed.. many do not need such steps taken, but others require it for them to germinate at all.. You really have to look each seed up to figure them out.

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You had an amazing patience on the process of Scarification and Stratification. 😊 Looking forward for the growth. 😊 Send your hardworking skills to me.😄😄

Thanks, will do another update as soon as new things come up.

Haha..

You're welcome. 😊😊 I'll wait for the update. 😄

Very interested in see how this will go!

Nice, will post updates as I have them.

Not sure you saw previous comment on other post about fungus colonizing the treelings before final transplant for future reward of Lactarius deliciosus or maybe other species suitable for your geography, worth reading on it bro. i am pretty sure you can do with with at least a part of your stock.

Thank you for mentioning that again. I am watching some videos on it now. Would be really interesting to see if I can do that.

A liter of it should cost around 50$ depends on shipping also i am not sure, i have only one place in my country to get them, usually i go into the wild and get the shrooms, but it have ordered couple times to people making pine grows. i post a link to it if you dont find nothing by yourself bro.

curious about this plant because I have never seen it.
I hope the results are satisfactory my brother, I can't wait to see it even in the long term

Never seen a pine tree? oh wow.

thanks!

Yes, my brother, I have never seen it and I also don't know if there is one where I live

Wow, I never would have guessed there was so much involved. I imagine that is why I never got the knack for growing stuff. I don't have the patience at all!

Yep, some seeds need lots of care to make them form. But I think it will be worth the effort.


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Interesting, I have pine trees in my garden, but I never went behind to research about them, they look very easy to grow. But I never started from the zero, I have always bought the trees with some time after sprouting. I need to save this blog for the future hehe

It sure is.. normally I would buy small trees to start with too.. But these are quite exotic types and I would have to pay a lot to get them to me. So starting by seed made more sense for me.

cool, we shall see how this all works out.

Man this is a bold endeavour, I salute you. It will be interesting to see how they turn out.

Thanks! Yeah its going to be a lot of work coming up, but once they get going they should be pretty low maintenance.

That is some work :p

much appreciated.

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Success while waiting for all to germinate

Thanks, I hope they will too

Good luck, that is all I can say about it. I tried to grow Bismark Palms from seeds I did everything I was told and I do not have any Bismark Palms.

Now I order the small plants when I want something. I have 4 Barbados cherry trees that I got in August they have grown about 3 inches since then. I now have 5 Ackee trees I got from someone, they haven't grown any but are not dead so that is a plus. I have only had them for a couple of weeks.

Damn, I have no experience with Palms.. Those trees do not usually do well as far north as I am. Hoping your cherry trees do well though, we got a couple of those... different cultivars though. We have Black Tartarian, Minnie Royal and Stella.

Cherry trees like yours are like palms are for you, they do not do well this far south. I love the cherry trees that grow up north, I am not sure what kind it was but there was one in Springfield Missouri that had the type that you buy in the grocery stores, I would eat my fill of them. My trees are Barbados cherries, I am not sure what they taste like but hoping they are as good as the store bought ones. The only thing about them is they say aphids love the trees so I know I will have a battle on my hands but I am determined to grow them. Here in Fl, I grew up eating Surinam cherries most people do not like them because they say they are tart, but if you eat the ones that when you touch them they fall off in your hand, they are sweeter.

Today my husband found a fruit on the dock at a boat ramp, he said there was a tree that he did not recognize over it, I took a pic of it and did Google Lens, and it said it was a pond apple, I am going to try to grow some from the seeds. Reading about them it says you can do cutting so I will get some from it and try to grow them that way, too. They are native to Fl but are from south of me.

It is quite interesting to see
!LUV

Really? You really have to go through all those processes before the pines germinate? I should appreciate those pines in my neighbourhood. 😁
I wish you luck.

Yep, many of them are quite picky in how you prep them to start seeds.

Thank you

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I am very impressed that you made farming so challenging. It looks like a lab and you are a researcher. Good job.

Thanks, it has been interesting looking into all of this. Learned a lot along the way.

Good luck with this amazing project, I hope everything works out! In the long run it will be great to see all this growth!

Thanks, hopefully it will.. hard to say but one day I hope so.

I believe that with your focus and determination everything will work out!

That's a lot work for a fucking Christmas tree...

Lol I do it for the nuts one day.

Sounds like you're already nuts..

Wow... The process of making pine tree seedlings, of course this is very fun and needs to be learned also from the beginning of the process to the end, I really hope that the process can be successful and of course this is very interesting to learn, thank you many my brothers for giving us new knowledge, I hope your day is pleasant 🙏😊🥰

What are you going to do with the seedlings when they get bigger? I like growing seeds 😀

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