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I want to increase the number of Japanese users on HIVE.
Recently, I have been wanting more people (especially Japanese) to come to Hive.
I was not so concerned about the lack of Japanese people here before. I thought that it was not bad that there were few Japanese, that it was not something I would force myself to recommend, and that people would eventually come here because the Hive system is certainly interesting.
But maybe it's because I started participating in the Leofinance campaign around this spring... For about a month and a half I watched the Leo team people work on various measures to bring new users to Hive and Leo. That led me to believe that I could not just wait and see. I am Japanese so I would like to read more Japanese articles on HIVE! To do so, we need more Japanese to come to this platform.
Conflicts Regarding the Establishment of a New Japanese Language Community
So I have been thinking about creating a Japanese language community for a while now.
“Hive JP" already exists as a Japanese community. Unfortunately, however, it is believed that the administrator has already left Hive. Even though there is no administrator, we can still post, and there are still occasional postings. It was useful when we wanted to write only in Japanese, or when we could not find any other suitable community to post to.
That is fine for existing users. But when trying to invite new Japanese users, the absence of a community manager was not good.
Still, since the Hive JP community was not officially closed (and I'm not even sure if it is possible to close a community in the first place), I was not willing to create a new community with a similar concept.
Furthermore, I am not particularly rich. So creating a new community would not immediately reward participants in a big way. I also wondered if there was any merit in creating a Japanese-language community, given that there are more Japanese users who live overseas and are comfortable writing in English. There were many other reasons why I hesitated to create a new community, and I was not able to take the plunge.
Future Plans
I have been talking to some Hive friends about this recently, and my feelings have been moving in the direction of creating a new Japanese language community. When I talked about this on Leothreads, many of the replies were "Do it".
While still in the conceptual stage, I will probably open a community soon where people can post in Japanese. As for curation and rewards, I find the @freecompliments community's approach to be very helpful. Even if I don't have huge HP, I can reward people with HSBI or Ecency points... but it will be on a smaller scale as I don't have that much money... I remember that Ecency boost was difficult when posting only in Japanese, so I will have to look into that as well.
Many have told me that communities are much more difficult to manage and administer than to create. That may be true. I would like to think of a sustainable way to avoid setbacks.
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日本人にもっとHiveに来て欲しい
最近、もっと多くの人に(それも日本人に)Hiveに来て欲しいなーと思うようになりました。
以前はそうでもなかったんですけどね・・・。人が少ないのも悪くない、無理して勧めるものでもないし(勧めても続かないし)、Hiveのしくみが面白いことは確かだから、そのうち人が来るだろう、と呑気に構えていました。
でも、春ごろからLeofinanceのキャンペーンに参加するようになったせいでしょうか。様々な施策でHiveやLeoに新規ユーザーを呼び込もうとするLeoチームの人々を見ていたら、待っているだけで良いのだろうか・・・と考えるようになりました・・・というのは半分は建前で、私がもっとHiveで日本語の投稿を読みたいという気持ちが強くなってきたのかもしれません。
日本語コミュニティの新設をめぐる葛藤
そんなわけでこのところしばらく、日本語(日本人)コミュニティをつくることについて考えていました。
日本人コミュニティとしては既に「Hive JP」がありますが、残念ながら管理者はもうHiveを離れていると思われます。管理者がいなくても投稿はできるので、私も含め今でも時々投稿はあります。日本語だけで書きたいときや、他に投稿先として相応しいコミュニティが見つからない時などには便利でした。
ただ新規の日本人ユーザーを呼ぼうとしたとき、コミュニティの管理者が不在だと、ちょっと呼びにくいんだよなというのは感じていました。
それでも正式にコミュニティが閉じられたわけではないので(そもそもコミュニティをクローズすることができるのかも分からないのですが)似たようなコンセプトのコミュニティを新たにつくることには抵抗がありました。
また私は別にお金があるわけではないただの人なので、コミュニティを作ったからといって参加者に大きな報酬を与えられるわけではありません。海外在住で英語で書ける日本人ユーザーのほうが多い状況で、日本語コミュニティをつくるメリットがあるのかどうかも疑問でした。他にもコミュニティの新設を躊躇する理由は色々あって、なかなか踏み切れずにいました。
いま考えていること
しかし最近何人かのHiveの友人とこの件について話す機会があり、私の気持ちは日本語コミュニティを作る方向に大きく動いています。
やっぱり私はHiveにもっとたくさんの日本人に来て欲しいですし、そのためには稼働している日本語コミュニティがあったほうがいいと思います。Leothreadsでこの件について話した時も、多くの返信は「Do it」でした。
まだぼんやり構想段階ではありますが、近々日本語で投稿できるコミュニティを開設しようと思っています。キュレーションや報酬に関しては、@freecomplimentsコミュニティのやり方を参考にさせていただくかもしれません。HSBIやecencyポイントを使って報酬を付与する方法です… といっても、それほど資金があるわけでもないのでどうしたらいいのかな… ecencyブーストは日本語のみの投稿だと難しかったような記憶があるので、そのあたりも調べてみなくては。
コミュニティの名称はHive ja?Hive Nihongo?何か良い案はあるでしょうか?日本語の言語コードはjaらしいです。そういえばSteemitのかなり初期の頃は、「ja」タグをつけて投稿していた記憶があります。
眠くなってきたのでそろそろ終わりますが😅
コミュニティは作るより、管理・運営する方がよほど難しいと多くの人が言っていました。そうかもしれません。頓挫しないように、持続可能な方法を考えたいと思います。
You can try to get support from ocdb or some big curation account not sure how but theres some communities that get support from big accounts if thats what u mean by not being able to reward~ good luck with that. too bad i dont know japanese so i cant really help
Thanks @shawnnft, I ran out of steam and went to bed last night right after posting this article.
I've been thinking about rebuilding the Japanese community for a while now, and after talking about this on Leothreads a few days ago, I feel even more strongly about it.
Rewards are indeed a difficult issue. I also read the discussion below and very helpful. There are still a lot of things to consider before I get started.
yaaa I tried to see if they could help you but seems like they can't if it's just the japanese language maybe you need a certain topic. you should really talk about it with acidyo to see . He has the experience and knowledge in building communities and helping communities if im not wrong
Yeah, I think he definitely is😉
It's a shame that a specific language community doesn't get the support, but the Japanese need a language community. I guess we should get people here first, and then from there we can create a community for another topic... that's still a long way off.
O.O then youll have to get them to band together to delegate to a designated curation account like you know philippines has one and some other language communities im not sure
Oh, I was going to ask my friends in the PH community how they collect HP. I see it's delegation from community members.
ya and then it collects but they also have to payout curation rewards which i think is automated as well
We don't generally incubate location/language based communities, maybe later when our voting power is worth more rewards. If OP would focus it towards something different we could discuss though. We also have an onboarding program he might be interested in that could potentially work out to be similar to curation anyway.
are you stalking me lol i didn't even tag you :O. Well I guess that's good information for her to know . Then maybe you know if any other projects would incubate it or i guess she will have to be the one to start it but to do by herself would be tough and get people to delegate to a "japanese curation account or something" but from what i know need to code or pay for service to send the rewards to people delegating to the curation account? I guess it could be done manual but i doubt anybody has a the time to do that. I'm not too techy or familiar with all this but hopefully u can help advise @go-kyo how to go with this!
Yeah we could talk about it when I find the time, sure.
I follow the ocdb mention in case people have any questions about it, that's how I landed here.
wait just even writing the word OCDB without the @ and you can get a notification on that. that's crazy. can you teach me how to do that lol so I can see who says my name without tagging me :)
I use the FRIDAY discord bot by @deathwing that gives u some custom features to use:
https://discord.gg/3vWfKFge
oh wow thats kind of cool and the bot will just inform me?
Good to know the policy of OCD. I understand your intention not to incubate communities based on language or region.
I hope that this community will be a gateway to HIVE for the Japanese and an opportunity to engage with people from other countries and many other communities in the future. There are too few Japanese users anyway.
Can you please tell me about the "onboarding program" you mentioned? I would love to know.
やるなセブンちゃん…
すっかり仕事と庭と畑のオーバーワーク状態で読専と化していて、何が手伝えるのかはわからんけども、できることあれば。
でも本当に運営って大変だから、ぼちぼちでも持続して行ける方法があるといいね。
すみにゃんさん、ありがとうございます。
Hive JAつくっちゃいましたので、ぜひご参加ください😍
https://ecency.com/created/hive-158302
そうなんですよね、何人かの方からもかなりの時間を割く必要があって大変よ、と言われました。でも人が少ない今が始めやすいかも?!と思ったりして。あんまり複雑にせず、作業増やさず、じわじわやっていけたらと思っています。
よかったらHiveGardenなどに投稿した際、JAにもクロスポストしていただけるとありがたいです!
春にすみにゃんさんが戻ってきてくれてホント嬉しかったので、他にも戻ってきてくれる人がいるといいなーと思ってます。
🇯🇵 Sounds like a plan! I would love to learn more about Japan and especially see pictures from daily life over there. So good luck with the community and I will certainly stop by!
Greetings
Thomas
Thank you! If I create a community, it will not start if people do not gather there. But I also think that if there is no community, people may not come. So I will try to create one first☺
I think the culture of the community can definitely make it more sustainable. I think encouraging people to have English translations of their posts will help them engage with the larger hive community more, even if they use GPT to translate their post.
If they connect with the larger community at Hive they are much more likely to stay.
僕は日本語ができるのにネイティブじゃないから結構かかっていて、後友達とシェアしたい時もあるけど日本語できないから通訳あれば嬉しいですね
日本に住んでいてなんかできれば教えてくださいね。 これは素敵なプランだと思います、日本人が増えたいですね
Yes, I'm actually quite worried about the posting rules. Even though translation has become much easier with DeepL and ChatGPT, I think it's quite hard work for Japanese who are not used to this platform to put English alongside. But if we want people from other countries to read our site, we need to put translations on it.
I haven't decided yet, but I'm thinking of allowing "English + Japanese" and "only Japanese is also OK" as the posting language. ありがとう☺
I don’t think it should be a rule. Just a suggestion with frequent reminders. “just remember you can reach more people and potentially get more votes and engagement if you add an english translation, even copy and pasted from chatgpt is ok. Just make sure the Japanese version is your original content”. Something like that, in japanese obviously.
You could also have contests or something to encourage it. I can offer a few hive if you do that. I always prefer as few rules as possible too 😆
Yes, it would be nice to have as few rules as possible to make it easier for people to post.
I hope we can get enough people to hold a contest... truth be told, I have very few ideas on how to get people to come. I'm trying to build a place first🐤
Anyway, thanks for your ideas!
It’s tricky. Let me know if you want to organize a meet up sometime in the fall 😃 I know 3 or 4 other foreigners living in Japan. Maybe we can all invite our Japanese friends and see what happens
素晴らしいです!Hive JPに投稿しても全然盛り上がっている感じがしないので、正直言って寂しいと思っていました。アクティブ数がものすごく少ないのにも関わらずたまに投稿している感じでした。
もし日本語コミュニティーがあれば、もっと積極的に投稿をして盛り上げたいです。
Hive jaはわかりやすい気がしますね!nihongo もかわいいです。
私も時々Hive JPに投稿していましたが、JPに投稿するのは眠くて翻訳が億劫な時が多かったです・・・笑
報酬面でのメリットがほとんどないことは多分変わらないので、他のコミュニティに投稿した記事のクロスポストOKにしようかなとか、いろいろ考えてました。
Tumblrに「nihongo」というアカウント?タグ?があったのでいいかもと思ったのですが、外部から分かりやすくするためにはjaの方がいいかもしれませんね。
This sounds like a great idea. Wishing you good luck
Thanks, glad I consulted with lions on Leothreads. Because I got a lot of "do it".
もし新しく日本語コミュニティを立ち上げるのであれば、運営・管理などできる限り協力します。私も長くHIVEやっていますし、セブンさんにも色々教えてもらいましたので。
間違えて空白のリプしてごめんなさい💦
ありがとうございます。まずは日本語で投稿できる場所を作るところからかなと思い☺
最初はメンバーも変わらないだろうし、アレコレ手を出して息切れすることがないようにスモールスタートで考えていますが・・・ 将来的にはやはり報酬が課題です。
Hello @go-kyo go for it!!
It’s not gonna be easy but gradually it gets better
Thank you. First we have to get people here...
Yes, it won't be easy, but I'd like to try.
All the best !Lady
I very much miss the old Japanese posters like @yoshiko @yasu24 @fusan @moromaro etc. I was part of the old Japanese community, but everyone drifted away for some reason. I will help where I can and support with votes for every post and delegate if needed. Keep in mind it is a lot of work to administer the community. I think I could get @boxcarblue and others to support the community. Whatever we can do to help just ask. HIVE definitely needs a renewed Japanese presence!
Here are the old users. Some might still be willing to come back if they can be found.
Yes, they are great. I don't know how they brought that kind of benefit to the Japanese community, nor do I believe I can do the same as them. I think it will be a small start, but I want to figure out how to make it sustainable.
Creating a community page is easy, but actually getting people to come and maintain it would be very difficult. I'm still in the conception stage and haven't decided yet, but your comment are very encouraging. Thank you.
I have seen this colored paper too. It's from when you made a donation.
とても嬉しい知らせです!
日本のコミュニティを盛り上げたいと思っていても何をどうやってすれば良いのか分からずにいたので、盛り上げるための場所があるのはとてもありがたいです!
前回のLeofinanceキャンペーンで、日本にコミュニティがないことのデメリットを感じたことが決め手になりました(賞品が「コミュニティへのdelegate」だったので)。
何をどうすればいいのか… 私もコミュニティ運営の経験がなくて手探りなので、アイデアがあったたらぜひ頂きたいです😂!
I would be happy to donate the Hive required to create a new Japanese community. I also miss seeing so many Japanese posts like in the old days on Steemit. I don't think I'm very good at managing my Hive community, Blockchain Poets, so I don't really have good advice, but I'll be happy to help you and support you as much as I can.
Thank you, I really appreciate your offer! I am aware that it takes 3HIVE to build a new community, is that correct? I am new to community creation...
I have two account creation tokens on my old account, but they don't seem to work for creating a community. I plan to use the tokens for the community account.
We probably won't be able to get people together right away, and it will take a very long time. We intend to do it steadily over a multi-year plan.
I have at least a few account creation tokens, but I don't know how they work. Every time I try to claim one it says I don't have enough RC. But if I don't have enough RC, why was I given one? I don't understand it.
Yeah, that's right. 3 Hive. I can cover that cost, so please don't worry about it. Just tell me when you are ready to create it and I will send to you.
I think we should create the community first, and after it is created then we will have a very easy place to point people. In the description for the community, you can put a link to the Wordpress blog you have made about using Hive. Once we have the URL for the community, we can create a QR code and use that to advertise. Perhaps at first, free advertisements like just making a poster and posting it in the local library on the public bulletin board.
Edit: Oh, one other thing. The community account will be something like @hive-748223 (a random number). This is ugly. So I recommend creating an addition account that will be the "face" of the community. This account will have a more friendly name like @JapanSupport (or whatever... but some good name). Then you will set this account as the admin of the group and you can use this account to make all official posts. I should have done this for Blockchain Poets. So I recommend it. If you agree with this suggestion, I will also cover the cost of making this second account, so I will send you 6 hive total.
Good morning. I received the 6HIVE.
Thank you so much for your support🙇
I will let you know when I create the accounts. I will do my best!!
Yes, I have been researching some communities and have noticed that they often have separate community accounts and curation or support accounts. I will also create two accounts for future operations. I plan on making both this weekend. I will write a community overview and announcement post and open the community in about a week. I really appreciate your support🙏🙏
I've never used account creation tokens either, so I'll try them out sometime too and post an article when I figure out how they work.
This is a very interesting idea! I genuinely think you should create your own, provided you're able to continue building and running it. You'd be opening up the door to a potentially very large group of people, which would be great for Hive. And it certainly doesn't have to be exclusively in the Japanese dialect, but more geared to japan-related stuff than other communities.
As far as having similar rewards to FC, maybe at some point we can help sponsor you with Hive (so you can give out HSBI) in exchange for some % of what you get from it? Not sure how to do it in a fair way, just throwing an idea out there. We're far from breaking even at this point... it'll probably take a few years of building lol.
Anyway, still a fantastic idea and you'd definitely have a great deal of support! 😊
Thanks, FC community has given me many ideas. I didn't know how to get the community going without a huge upvote, but you showed me that there are many ways to get the community going other than vote. I think I will be doing as much as I can on my own for a while. Hopefully one day I will be able to grow the community enough to receive support!
I'm also always interested in seeing how you run your community. Posting community reports, sharing in threads, curating, and kind comments... It is clear that you devote a lot of time to it.
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I's very okay to do that. Anything that would help and make hive home away from home is always appreciated. Keep it up with a good heart. One love
Thanks for reading. I will try my best to get people here first.
As others have said, I’d be happy to delegate HP to help support the group. The biggest problem that I think you’ll face is onboarding new users.
How can you convince new people to join?
I think most people who are still active today will say that they heard from a friend that the their friend was blogging and making money (or earning crypto and selling it to buy BTC) and joined. Then, once they got their first big vote ($30 or more), they became hooked.
I think those votes are harder and harder to get these days without a big delegation supporting a community.
I wonder if using a separate frontend like Liketu or something with video support wouldn’t be a better way to attract Japanese users.
Delegation is a very appreciated idea🙏 I was thinking of supporting community posts on Ecency Point or HSBI, but I will also discuss with the community members how best to do this.
Yes, I agree that onboarding is the biggest challenge... We didn't have a place to bring people in, so I decided to create one first. Liketu is good for Japanese because it is photo-based and easy to post. I am also considering introducing the communities where Japanese members have posted and earned rewards. And there are many Splinterlands players in Japan, so I am thinking of approaching them .
$30... I understand well. Most of the Japanese members left on Hive now are users from the early days of Steemit, who are learning that they can get paid from this platform. New users need to experience success, too.
There was once a big delegation from Ned to the Japanese community, but I think I remember that not working out very well for some reason.
Delegations are helpful, but they also lead to problems because people tend to misuse them. In the old days, they often were used for self-voting in various niches.
I know exactly what you mean. I think the old Japanese community was the same way. Regardless of the content of the posts, the voting % for each account seemed to be fixed and I often saw complaints from members. I have learned that the managing members are entitled to their compensation, but it has to be in a way that is acceptable to the community members.
Well, I guess it's hard for a new community to have such a big HP, but in any case I need to be careful not to let my greed get the better of me.
Delegating is a good idea. I will be happy to do as well. If we can get enough of the current Japan community to delegate then we can offer at least a decent guaranteed upvote. That could help to attract people. I guess appealing to greed is not really the best solution for onboarding people, but at least it is something we could offer.
One of the problems many people seem to have is they see other people consistently being rewarded more than they are and they feel like they are being cheated and/or wasting their time. It’s an age-old problem around here by now.
Having consistent worthwhile engagement is enough to keep people around, but that’s almost as hard to get as those elusive upvotes. 😞
Educating people that this could be a worthwhile use of time, ore so than other social media platforms is the best idea, but most people don’t have the attention span to make it through all the explanations.
Honestly, the biggest problem is that everyone’s friends aren’t here.
This place is like walking into a big party where you don’t know anyone and trying to make friends for life. It doesn’t seem worth the time and effort to most people.
Sounds interesting, keep going
Thank you! I will do my best.
いいですねぇー🎵 !BEER 日本語のコミュニティーを設立したら、きっと賛同者がDelegateしてくれるんじゃないでしょ~か?👏
とりあず昨日悪戦苦闘して、コミュニティページはできました☺
また準備が整ったらお知らせしますので、ぜひご参加お願いします🙌
mizuoさん含め皆さん普通に英語で書ける人が多いですし(私はDeepL女ですが・・)報酬面でのメリットが少なそうなので、最初はクロスポスト歓迎でやっていこうと思っています。
Delegateについてもどうするのがいいのか、いま頭を悩ませ中です!
そうなのですねぇ~。コミュニティー作成、お疲れ様です😄👏👏 では、コミュニティーに参加させて頂きます。たいした内容の投函はないのですが、日本語でコミュニケーション出きるっていいですねぇ😆👏 !BEER
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