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RE: My new contributions to the Hive Condenser and Wallet apps.

in HiveDevs3 years ago (edited)

Downvote is very bad thing on this platform. If we don't like any post, we can ignore that post. I am watching up vote and down vote war is going on this platform.

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Downvote is a tool. It can be used for good too, such as downvoting posts that are spams, phishing, plagiarising etc... as any tool, it can also be used for bad.

If any post going against community standards then users can report post. Then Hivewatcher can take action on that post. But with downvote tool, most of users are doing target downvote. If one user give value upvote to any post. Then user with big HP do downvote on that post and say that post does not deserve any value upvote. You know that big HP users 1% down vote is also very powerful. They can do anything. If user will decide that post is wrong..Then what is job for hivewatchers !

Without downvote what can Hivewatchers do against a post?

They can remove, hide any post which is going to against community standards. But post must be against community standards. This decision can not take without honest review on the post. They can ban user's post and comments for 1 day, 3 days, 7 days, 30 days, Like fb ban users and remove many posts even that one also who got majority love reaction. I don't know hive team can do this or will want to do this.

This is not possible. The blockchain cannot be controlled by a specific group of people.

But specific group of people can decide which post desreve downvote. One user is giving up vote and another user is down vote. Upvote user is saying that is good post. Down vote user is saying this is shit post. So users opinions can not be same. But in this up vote and down vote war, user with big HP will win always.

One more question.
What is difference between ban and blacklist ? When hive team put any user into blacklist then user get downvotes from specific group of people . It means specific group of people have banned to user and now user can not get paid from their posts and comments. I am watching a blacklisted user's comment on your post. That comment is hide due to low rating. Indirectly it means that user is banned !

When you receive a downvote your reputation level drops. If it drops below a certain point then your posts and comments might get hidden. But hidden or not depends on the frontend, it might be hidden on hive.blog but not hidden on another frontend. Someone else can come behind and upvote the hidden post or comment, with each upvote the reputation level will go up, if it goes up high enough, the post or comment will be shown again.

The blacklist is specific to each user. I can have my own blacklist, you can have your own that is different to mine. Someone else can decide to follow your or my blacklist.

Hive.Blog is not Hive. Hive.Blog is just a frontend (website) allowing you to access content stored in the Hive blockchain. The Hive blockchain itself is a speech free platform. You cannot hide/remove content from the blockchain, Hive.Blog is only preventing it from being displayed on its frontend.

Using a block explorer, you can access and view any hidden posts or comment, your hidden comment for example can be viewed here:

If you are a developer or know a developer, you could even create your own frontend that does not hide anything.

So while you could say some Hive frontends are not fully free speech, Hive itself is.

HIVE itself is the blockchain, Hive.Blog (Condenser) initially created by Steemit Inc. was created just to demonstrate what the blockchain can do. If a group of people wanted to create a fully freedom of speech platform using the blockchain, then they could spin up their own frontend using the existing blockchain.

The blockchain is decentralised, never the frontend. Currently none of the frontends are decentralised:

  • the code lives on a single server own by one person or small group of person
  • the code is developed and maintain by probably the same entity
  • if the frontend server goes down, that's it. The blockchain is still there but not frontend.

I agree with you, it's far from perfect.

Unfortunately, this is crucial for the hive platform

 3 years ago  Reveal Comment

I consider what you say, I think it's phenomenal.

Still, there are users who have taken it upon themselves to damage a lot of things, and have done things that deserve them, so downvotes can counteract their moves a bit.

Anyway, I would like to think that there is some way to remove those accounts, although that would go against the decentralization policy.

But surely, there will be a way to solve that.

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