Hey @saydie,
First, thank for commenting and looking into the data. It is very important to get the correct value as persons might made decisions on that. Its a new project so there can definitely be some errors or edge cases.
I moved from using the stats from hive buzz to hive sql this is imho more / closer to the source of truth and not interpreted by a site already.
Trying to digest the data for these users I assume the following that can explain it.
Most logical for me is you have 50%/50% rewards payout so 100 HIVE earned is payout as 50 HP and ~22$ in HBD.
In the formula the HBD is not taken into account for this reason:
Hive (liquid and saving) are consider to beneficial for yourself
the same applies for HBD (liquid and savings)
HP is considered as a benefit for the community because you can vote with it and show appreciation towards other members. This value contributes to long term sustainable ecosystem.
So if a person only does a 50%/50% payout it start with a KE of 5 then you receive interest on the HP so i think the number will slowly go down over time. Do not underestimate the compounding effect of interest in that part.
Not sure what the users might have done with the HBD difficult to track down.
Secondly the user could have used beneficiaries even if the intentions are right it still looks like extracting, this is acceptable withing the 10% range i think if the rest 90% is towards HP for the long time sustainable ecosystem.
There might be other reasons that i cannot think of.
IMHO there is one thing we can take from this is that also the curators and the contest post have to make the new user aware on this, upfront :).
If I'm correct you should do a 90% HP to 10% HBD rewards share (this is not a option in peakd as far as i know)
I also think we need to look a bit further then only KE ratio for instance if the extracted value is used for growing SPL is that then considered as extracting (not everything is as black and white).
Also seeing accounts that have a high KE ratio and do not own much spl assets still doing these contest post. These are extractor imho and are not good for the ecosystem.
Let me know what you think of this or am i missing something?
HBD is likely sold, if not in the account.
Or HBD can be converted to hive.
Regardless of the fact HBD is not counted for the reason you already stated.
Also I like to point out that there will always be borderline case and that is not the intent to identify.
The point is if someone's KE is 2 and someone's KE is 20, there is a difference in their hive etiquette. And the difference is NOT in number but in long term investment mindset. That is what I am after @saydie
If I understand your first case correctly, the HBD rewards may have also been accounted from the all time rewards in their HP value and that may lead for the discrepancy. So if I have 9k in my all time rewards, we can assume that half of that comes from the HBD rewards that was shown in HP value. Then the interest will eventually reduce the KE over time but wasn't the interest also the curation reward and was already accounted for all time rewards (author reward + curation reward)?
I also did monitor if the same amount of hive was added to my HP and from the stats shown on Hivebuzz and it seems to be adding the same amount.
My theory is that previously, both HP rewards and HBD on its HP value are included as All time rewards then change at some point to only account for HP rewards due to an update to the code but wasn't able to do the same with the previous data then just combine those rewards altogether and that what makes the discrepancy.
For the second case, It may be plausible if an account set an alt account as beneficiary but as much as I know for the 2 accounts above, only shawn has a beneficiary set on his post and that was from using inleo frontend that automatically sets 5% of his reward for beneficiary and posting on some communities will also set them with a certain % of the reward post. And given that 2 unrelated accounts has such a great discrepancy between their held HP and curation rewards, it may not be the cause for that.
I agree to this as the hive was not really taken out of the blockchain but used to helps to support SPL and/or other hive Dapps and helps grow the blockchains apps which in turn grows the chain as a whole which benefits everyone.
author and curation rewards are "just" number of HIVE on what you received at the given moment, no interest is involved here as far as i know.
For the next point i can only reason by, because i do not know how it was in the past.
At the time you receive the 50%/50% rewards the total earned hive is divided by 2 and one part is converted to HBD the other part is stored in HP.
So when you try to keep track of how much does the HBD represent in HIVE or HP, at the moment of payout it the same but then the price changes of HIVE making the amount of hive received in the past different. That seems to be unwanted behavior so just use the total HIVE you receive from the rewards. 1 HIVE stay always 1 HIVE
Down side, who knows this, how to educate user that are just joined for the game and do not have clue on this topic.
This how i understand it at this point, only diving deeper in this matter since the last two weeks. So disclaimer: i do not have all the knowledge about this, also a learning journey for me 🤣