Governing Dynamics, Gentleman! (and ladies!)
The post title is a quote from the movie The Beautiful Mind where young Dr. John Nash was having a conversation in a pub at Princeton where he supposed got the idea the a century old economic theory by Adam Smith could be wrong. Dr. Nash wrote his PhD thesis on game theory and proposed:
In non-cooperative games, a solution concept is a situation where no player could gain by changing their own strategy (holding all other players' strategies fixed)
A concept that is called Nash Equilibrium later on, and has numerous applications in competitive bidding, energy economics, politics, gambling, social networks and peoples behavior. An area of economics and mathematics, generally called the Governing Dynamics.
Generated with AI DALL-E3 ∙ August 28, 2024 at 5:47 PM: Using Prompt: thinking about governing dynamics
Governing dynamics also deals with natural process where the variables causing a particular process are so many, and their relationships are so complex, that the processes would seem like they are random. Like motion of leaves falling from the tree depicted in this AI generated image.
The reason of my long pre-amble is try and describe the events happening at our social network Hive over the last week or so due to a simple poll started by @solominer which triggered my hive user data analysis, which triggered @galenkp and @slobberchops to write their post and subsequent discussions that occured. I know my last sentence was long and it is intentional :) Now, some might call this 'random', while I will say that perhaps it was the governing dynamics. My intent was deliberate.
Top 2500 Hive Accounts
Yep. At the risk of developing carpel tunnel, I have accumulated Top 2500 HP hive accounts in a spreadsheet. That takes the HP down to 4500 (4503 to be exact). Mind you that is down into the Minnow territory, if you are following up our terminology at the hive ocean. I will plot all the data together and then zoom into the area 4500 - 14,000 or 20,000 to have some overlap with previous plots.
Here is all the data. HP in log-scale along X-axis; Reputation in linear scale along Y-axis; Author rewards as circle size.
This is the big picture view. Take a pause, and try and understand what you see. It is a lot of data. That is 158M staked hive you are looking at, plus 17M liquid hive, total of
175M hive. With about 300 M total hive outside of exchanges, that is about 60% of total hive out there! What I am meaning to say, you are looking at a significant portion of our pocket book. Please don't argue on the accuracy of my back on the envelop calculation, my point is this is a lot of hive and the pattern that it is showing should be sinnificant.
- There are few account above 1M HP (there are 24)
- Only 3-4 individuasl writes regular blogs anything in that area
- Above 500K HP only 40 accounts, quite a few are holding account
- Regular bloggers starts in the 300K HP area, they are far and few in that upper area
- Regular bloggers rapidly increases below 150K area, and their reputation also spreads out, like a funnel
I hope you can see these things and our 'classes' in the same plot.
I also want to pause here and think about a new hive blogger. The type I am trying to get say from Splinterlands game or wherever. That person must follow the path shown by the curved red arrow. That new bloggers HP must follow along the path of that red line! I know a few people for 5-6 years, and they are still on that read path but below 50K HP. That path of honesty, without any outside money in, is hard!
Krampus Co-Efficient
Some asked me where did I get Krumpus? He is sort of anti-Santa Claus as I understand it.
The Krampus is a horned anthropomorphic figure who, in the Central and Eastern Alpine folkloric tradition, is said to accompany Saint Nicholas on visits to children during the night of 5 December (Krampusnacht; "Krampus Night"), immediately before the Feast of St. Nicholas on 6 December. In this tradition, Saint Nicholas rewards well-behaved children with small gifts, while Krampus punishes badly behaved ones with birch rods.
As I mentioned in my previous post too there won’t be any birch rod judgement from my end. I am just looking and asking you to do the same.
If I divide Author Rewards + Curation Rewards by Held HP, people who held more HP than they earn will have a fraction less than 1.0. Those who held less HP will have a fraction higher than 1.0. This is the Krampus Co-efficient! Or KE.
KE = (Author Rewards + Curation Rewards)/Held HP
KE = 1.0, you hold exactly as you earn (approximately!)
KE > 1.0, you hold less than you earn
KE < 1.0, you hold more than you earn
There is no need to get through the intermediate steps any more, because by now you are familiar with the process, if not see here. We will go straight to KE plot for all the users in the top 2500
Again ignore the curation accounts, as they pay out curation reward to their delegators. They are supposed to be high KE.
But do you notice some of the old timers??
v4vapid? kevinwong? nah they are long gone hopefully... Oh there is also ned, but he is off the chart, well just for ned I will show you a different plot.
Yeah, you can read some of these names, check their accounts and chuckle!! That's all I am saying about that!!
Back at Middle Class
Here is what you saw at the comment section of the @slobberchops post. The chart is fairly self explanatory by now. If you have any questions please let me know.
I will still say, I am okay with this result. I think this opens up a lot of opportunities for us stakeholders.
We get to do what is right for us AND the community!
And that folks is Governing Dynamics!
That red line of the honest hive blogger grind is what I'm basically following, The only real external money that came in was when I sold everything on steem to buy hive after the split. Quick easy doubling of my account after that it's earn earn earn.
I don't have the fiat money to buy hive anyways there's always something eating up my funds.
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That path is a hard slog!
Is 50k the level for Orca? If so, I'm closer than I thought. I've been on that red line for the past 8 years, but I have invested a lot of my own money, so I guess it's not entirely organic. If Hive remains cheap, I will keep buying so maybe I'll reach that soon (maybe wishful thinking, but lets be optimistic)
Anyway, interesting results.
0-5000 = Plankton
5000-50000 = Dolphin
50K - 500K = Orca
greater than 500K = Whale
For bullish people there is only one kind of thinking :) the wishful kind
I am almost always optimistic (sometimes unrealistically so) but especially with crypto and Hive!
Orca is closer to 58,000 HP
It's hysterical how our "Hive Anti-Spam" division has two accounts (steemcleaners/hivewatchers) in the top rep yet no one wonders or cares why. Hint, they used to self vote 60-80 comments a day for $1-2 before they got their proposal and amassed over $230,000 in author rewards.
Yes, at one time they did that for an extended period. However, now they don't I think.
Correct, they just rob the DHF instead.
$230,000 in author rewards is more than 99.99% of authors on Hive.
That's the author take, in USD.
Yet they were getting paid $350/day to stop people from farming $0.03 a day.
To put it in perspective, I posted real content nearly every day for 5+ years and only made $70K.
The DHF is an attractive target for substantial hostile takeovers, like lots of cash on hand. Getting it spent may be a priority to folks intent on retaining control of governance, especially if they spend it on themselves, which they can use to better secure their control of Hive governance. I'd be thinking along those lines if I thought along those lines, anyway.
I guess I'm still far off from the top 2500 cut off. I guess that's the next target before you do this again. How do you get the stats? I haven't withdrawn any of my Hive that I've gotten, so I would like to check my KE.
You have 1074 in HBD :)
Hive is low, there is the option if you like to take it.
*1014 in HBD. But yeah, 1k was my goal, and I'll just let it increase with the interest for now. I have actually been buying Hive with my HBD rewards for a while now.
Well, I'm still on the long red road, meanwhile. Your publication is quite nerdy with some very interesting formulas. 😎
I am quite amazed and curious how you came to this conclusion and formula?
What I mean is did something inspire you to think about that, or was it just your common rational mental process that led you to think about that formula?
It's a common rational mental process that's all.
I appreciate that you approve. Thank you.
Amazing, I really admire your way of thinking and I feel that it is a great contribution to the community, my sincere appreciation for that.
I hope to be able to enjoy publications as interesting as this one more frequently, I hope you are encouraged or have the time to do them (and it's not because of the upvotes, it's because I really appreciate this type of content).
Thankyou very much azircon 👍
Another useful and interesting post! thanks @azircon!
I found the KE interesting and calculated mine which if I didn't miscalculate should be 0.86
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You are correct!
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The charts and data bring out important differences and opportunities within Hive, making us think about how we can better support each other. Your post encourages us to reflect on our roles in shaping a more balanced community.
With all this in mind, what do you think is the next step for Hive to encourage more growth and support for new bloggers?🤔
Hive can’t do anything for new bloggers, as there is no individual who controls hive. It is the commutative community that moves hive to be honest:)
Ah man, I kind of miss exyle. He was such a believer in the blockchain before everything that went down. I honestly thought I was still a dolphin at one point. I felt like I tried forever to get there and then finally Orca was the new dolphin.
Yeah, ended up becoming a money printing machine using his gym selfies :)
and then during the fork, didn't like hive, as we were discouraging his reward maximization. Great memories!
I remember him saying something like maybe we should hear Justin Sun out and that basically got him blackballed. I don't care either way, but that's the part that sticks out to me.
Yes, I remember likewise.
I'm sure there were some deeper things as you alluded to in your other comment though.
All water under the bridge, bozz. Onwards! :)
Actually, as you say, this table is not bad at all, but maybe it is important here how different people's K.E. ratio is. So for example, if a person who earns 25000 HP from curation and writing has 20000 HP, that's not so strange, but if a person who earns 25000 HP now has 25 HP, that's strange. That's my two cents.
infact, difference is author and curation HP doesn't matter, as they are summed up and divided by held HP
Person 1 (25000+20000)/45000 = 1 (if they have kept all HP and no inflow or outflow)
Person 2 (25000+25)/25025 = 1 (if they have kept all HP and not inflow or outflow)
and if one has 20K now, vs the other with 25?
then Person 1 KE is 45000/20000 =2.25
Person 2 KE is 45000/25 = 1800!
There's also HBD to consider. Some folks on Hive amassed considerable HBD in order to lend it back to Hive for the 20% interest. I also appreciate your effort to gain insight into how folks here invest in the platform or take from it. The charts are interesting.
Thanks!
Most individuals do not hold any meaningful HBD to alter the conclusions.
Thank you very much for the greater detail and superable reason for the improvement in simplicity you undertake in the OP chart.
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Nice, for only $0.01 vote you bought yourself a giant ad spot in his comment section.
Our account not only has a $0.01 vote, but it's also part of a curation trail with over 30 users voting together. Additionally, our account is dedicated to the curation of tokens where we have a significant amount. We're sorry that we didn’t meet your expectations, and we won't bother you again with our vote in the future.
There is no reason to announce your vote as a comment. It's just spam.
This is the incredible bargain Hive is. The future is so bright!
auto-post I think, I can mute the fallen angels account easily, no problem
Yes, it's just the point. There is no reason to leave a comment with a billboard when you vote. It's a pet peeve of mine. Especially when your vote is not even one cent.
Fewer KE >1 in the top 1000 than I would have expected. 84% of <1 KE are doing what's best for himself AND the group. At least in terms of holding staked HIVE.
Can't say if they're using that HP to vote from this though.
It would be nice to use that voting power to stop $HBD from leaking out of the DHF, like Marky's example with owl-1 and owl-2. That would certainly be better for each Hivean AND the group.
Marky's example is from 2017. That doesn't happen now.
Maybe not this exact case from 2017, but the DHF still funds proposals with little impact, with little accountability and that go on for way too long, sometimes a combination of the three.
I personally choose to vote on the return proposal to make it more challenging to get funded.
Yes, I generally agree with that. I carefully evaluate the proposal and vote ones that I think will add value to the ecosystem.
Wow it seems wonderful just seeing the charts and it also motivates us to grow up more together and higher. But what do u think about the new beginning on a hive blogchain
I am sorry but don’t know much about the “new beginning”.
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The minimum requirement is 1.0 HOP balance.
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It would also be useful to know how many users are voted by whales and how many of them liquidate the HIVE received from rewards
LOL that is what we are talking about. Anyone with high KE liquidate some hive, unless they have bought large amount of HBD.
You for example is perfectly even. KE of 1.02 is as close to even as it gets.
personally in the past i have sold some HIVE to buy assets in splinterlands like SPS and packs, then i bought HIVE back with other assets. I never sell HIVE on external exchange.
i wonder, at this point, if curators, in addition to voting for good content, should also reward stakeholders more. As a community, we should all protect HIVE, it is in all our interest
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Can I check: there is 17m liquid hive in wallets, in addition to the 158m HP?
Could we make a reasonable assumption that 60% of Minnows: KE=<1
Or does everything become too volatile at that level?
If we could, is there enough room on the back of your envelope to calculate how much additional HP/HIVE is in wallets?
I run the Saturday Savers Club on the @eddie-earner account. Savers choose their own goals for each year, but one of the aims was to provide focus for small and new accounts trying to find their way. The kind of information you've provided is very motivating and makes explicit "this is how we do things round here" (even though we've all been following the Nash Equilibrium by ourselves without knowing) 😂.
I spoke about Hive and cryptocurrencies more generally at a Conference in June, to about forty people across two workshops. There is much more awareness and openness to becoming involved. We have plans for building on this through the autumn ready for the launch of next year's Saturday Savers Club. The information in your posts is going to be great for marketing!
Sure can. It is a easy SUM
It gets volatile. just look at the lowest 500 accounts
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Okay. I will swap the SPS from my alt accounts into Hive. Steady flow every 7 days. HPUD Today! I'll get my baby bee. I lasted 19 days in August before I lost the monthly badge. Buzz Buzz Buzz
Thanks. Keep working on it.
Is there a database to check where I fall. I have over 15,346 HP and I hardly sell anything. I must have a very good Krampus Co-Efficient. What I find more surprising is that I managed to make it to Top 2500. I hardly feel like I have any influence over HIVE. It should be a result of constantly coming across far bigger fish in daily interactions. Thank you for you and @dalz for the data!
Right here:
Thank you!