It is possible to be wealthy from saving.
The problem is, you have to be wealthy to begin with, meaning you can "stay wealthy" from saving. Or, you have to earn so much that your income is sufficient to save large amounts, far above what is spent. The challenge with the first is, no matter how wealthy you are, saving without an income will bleed resources to nothing eventually. And in the second, getting into a position with high enough income is both challenging, and eventually, that income stops and it ends up being in the first category.
Saving toward wealth doesn't work.

This is no new revelation of course, but it is a good reminder when it comes to how many people use their money. Most want to be wealthy enough to the point that they are comfortable and able to cover both the necessities of daily life, and some level of "extra" along the way, like better versions of a product, service, or more opportunity to spend on experience. And in general, saving doesn't get there.
So, investment is required in order to create additional income streams, but in order to invest takes accepting risk. Even the lowest risk forms of investment, like paying into a retirement fund, take acceptance of risk, which is why there is normally some level of compulsory contribution into them, otherwise, many wouldn't put any. Paying extra into a retirement fund means accepting the risk that the value in the future will not only be higher than the value today, but also that it will be worth more than what it could be spent on today, like a holiday. Also, it means assuming that the value will be there and accessible in the future, which is a large assumption with the way governments handle economics.
The thing with risk though, is that while we might intellectually understand it, we experience it much more viscerally as fear. We can logically know what we need to do, but the doing takes actions that our body might not want to make. Those of us who are more risk-averse are going to have a far harder time investing into the future than those who are risk-seeking. Because it takes overcoming a dislike hurdle to invest for the averse, but doing something enjoyable for the seeking. Logic tells us to eat healthily and exercise regularly too, yet those things for many are negatives to do, not positives - even though they are in our own best interests.
We have to force ourselves to do what we don't like.
This is also why the earlier we start, the better off we will be. Not only in terms of investing, which compounds and therefore the more time invested, the higher the return - but in everything we do. In terms of investment potential though, the earlier we are able to come to terms with risk-reward mechanisms and make them part of our daily lives, the more likely we are to invest larger percentages of our income into the future, and the earlier we begin.
The challenge here is that daily life has changed, culture has changed, so we aren't learning the foundational skills needed. For risk, we primarily learn through experiential play as children, by running and jumping, climbing, riding and using tools. We test ourselves, often falling down, but in an environment where there is risk, but low cost to failure.
For instance, I took my daughter ice skating the other day, which is something I started doing as an adult. As a result, I am a terrible skater, because I have a fear of falling, so won't "risk" learning how to slide stop. When my daughter started, she weighed about eight kilos and children are made of rubber, so when she fell, there is no pain, she just gets back up. That is different for an adult of ninety kilos, with inflexible bones.
But what is interesting to note in these examples, is that a lot of daily life has been pushed into "intellectual" experience, like digital gaming. It is still an experience where a lot can be learned, but it is missing a lot of the visceral aspect of learning. The body isn't engaged in the experience in the same way as it would be if the same actions (if even possible) were performed physically. The risk of falling down a cliff in a game is a respawn - that is not the same as hiking through the forest.
I think that what this does is breaks our risk-reward learning mechanisms to the point that we might actually become more risk-taking, but less understanding about the consequences of our action. As a result, we might actually end up investing more percentage wise, but be far less sensitive to the risks of what we are doing. For instance, I was reading about how Gen-Z are far more likely to fall for event ticket scams and lose far larger amounts, because they suffer from FOMO. They are willing to "take the risk" so they don't miss out.
But what is the reward worth?
The risk is spent on an experience that might actually have a very small reward, and that experience might not be valuable, because nothing was learned. How many concerts or festivals can a person go to, before they all blend into one another? How many similar experiences can be had before the law of diminishing returns leaves nothing of value left in it?
We have all heard the "learn something new each day" advice. But I would posit that what we learn matters more than the amount we learn. The thing with learning though is that no one truly wants to do it, because it is uncomfortable - they want the results of the learning though, and the feeling they get from having learned. Yet, if we consider that we are more likely to do what is familiar because it is comfortable, what we are doing is also limiting the range of what we are learning, diminishing the potential lesson with each event. We might be paying the same or even more to try to get a similar high, but the return on our investment keeps reducing.
Convenience is a type of saving.
Save time and energy, but for what? The children sitting in front of a screen playing a game are saving time and energy, because they are able to get a similar emotional feeling that they would from going outside and playing, faster and with less risk. It is efficient to get that feeling, but it is inefficient to learn the skills necessary to navigate and create the world in which we each live.
For parents, it is also convenient for kids to play on that screen, because it means less worry about children hurting themselves in the park, and less tears at scraped knees and elbows to kiss better. Kids are safer when they are at home, sitting on the couch, but this is only the case if they are going to *say home sitting on the couch, and safety is limited to not getting physically hurt by falling. If safety includes the full range of life experience including physical health and mental and emotional wellbeing, then sitting on the couch playing games, is a massive risk.
Building wealth takes risk.
Now, the argument here is that richness isn't just having a lot of money and that true richness is in the relationships and experiences we have. Haven't you been reading? Wealth of experience means being open to risk, accepting of failure, and the resilience to fall and get back up. These are skills that require practice to build, and those practices start when we are born, perhaps earlier. If we keep limiting our experience to keep ourselves safe from physical, mental, and emotional harm, we are going to severely limit our ability to build a healthy life, even if we do make a lot of money.
We need to stop saving ourselves from discomfort.
Yet, that is inconvenient.
Taraz
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I disagree with this. Sometimes taking risks is scary, but for me it has more often been exciting, or I was left with little choice. I took financial risks often. Sometimes they went south, sometimes they earned me very little, and sometimes there were bit gains. I would do them all again. My biggest mistakes, financially and otherwise, were when I chose not to take risks, and followed conventional guidance instead of following my own gut. Which brings me to a previous post of yours, in which you said something like "intuition is merely accumulation of conscious understandings." I disagree with that as well! Off topic, so enough said there.
This I do agree with. Why be like most other people, playing it safe? Most others seem depressed, anxious and afraid to me. Not all, but most, in at least some measure. Afraid to lose the little they have managed to accumulate, or looking at how they have been wronged and hoping to sue someone.
I think you agree with me! That visceral fear for many is scary and holds them back, for others it is exciting and drives them on. You are an investing daredevil! :D
But your gut was based on all that experience doing things that were scary!
I see this too. I am this in many ways also.
I contend the gut is only partially based on experience. This could be explained as unconscious learning during events; it feels unlearned. But there could be more, a universal consciousness. Newborn babies suck and search for the breast as soon as they are born. This shows both need and intent. How does the baby know this? I like to believe in a universal consciousness.
So back to the topic of your post. Risk-taking involves imagination; you can only follow paths that you can envision. Tragedies have a way of opening options, the trick is being able to see that you have choices. Choosing often involves leaving the cocoon of your everyday life, letting go of this and that, so that you can take advantage of the new opportunities.
Risk taking is all about using your imagination.
This is the genetic learning, like all animals. Instinct imo, not intuition. In your case, perhaps your childhood better prepared you than others for what you did. We also have latent potential through genetics etc too.
I reckon I suffer from this at times - where there aren't enough "good" options in front of me. A lack of imagination.
In some cases, perhaps it is about imagining things will work out, even though the odds might not indicate it to begin with.
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I actually don't know what happened to it. I didn't mind it either, but some found it annoying. I thought it was something a little different at least, rather than the inane comment bots.
It seemed to know when the comment had been written just to get its attention. I tried this a few times and it passed my 17 syllables right by. I though a human had to be behind it.
I think ability to reach certain wealth levels varies by country and even by country region. For example one of the easiest places to become wealthy is USA. But even within USA states like California and Washington are much more conducive to building wealth than Louisiana, Arkansas, Florida or Texas.
The simple recipe here is to borrow as much as you can at the lowest rate possible and invest in real estate. For me it meant to borrow over a million dollars and sit on those for fifteen to twenty years paying around 2.5% interest while property values went up around 10% a year on average even accounting for the Great Recession of 2008- 2012.
But yes even in this scenario there was risk and investment involved. I started with nothing and built it into something...
Anyone (almost) could have done similar to you at some scale, but how many did?
I am sure many did, but I don't have the data. It is a well known way to get rich slowly in America...
Saving keeps you from being broke. It doesn't make you wealthy. Different problems for sure. Investing requires risk. So do relationships. So does anything worth having. Save enough to sleep at night. Put the rest to work for you and the family. Accept that some of it won't come back. That's how I put myself into a position that when medical shit hit me, I was able to retire early. I took fucking risks early on.
I reckon a lot of younger people are far more risk averse than they realise. They keep being risky with things for very little return, but will risk nothing when it comes to what matters in life.
This is how it should be with relationships too.
I've Been Saving My Whole Life and Something Always Comes Up
I've been saving my whole life, and something always comes up. Just like in the movie UP, there are always plans to save for that dream trip, and always illnesses that eat away at the savings, cars that break down, houses that need repairs, family to support.
Someone told me one day, "Don't complain because others ask you for help, be grateful that they ask you, because it means you're doing well and should feel blessed."
That's the way it is with savings. You make them seeking wealth, and they end up getting spent, always thinking that's what they're for.
Thank God we have opportunities to invest in Hive with little risk, just the risk of losing 98% of the investment. But if you're smart, you'll know you can easily get 10x in a flash, and every cent will make your fortune triple by a lot.
The new generations want everything flying, without effort, everything expedited. And that's why drugs come when you've passed all the levels. It's when FOMO kicks in, because they don't have enough patience.
Until then, we have to keep saving. You don't know if you'll go through what happened in the movie UP.
What a great start to a movie, hey?
Patience is a virtue - a value. Without it, it is very hard to do anything, or have anything of worth.
I actually have a bit of a problem with the way they are trying to gamify everything these days. Maybe I am just too old, but when I go to a professional conference and they give me a "passport" book so I can get stamps or stickers from all the vendors that just seems stupid. I know it's supposed to be a light hearted fun activity, but I'll go see the vendors I want, and skip the ones I don't, thank you very much!
Gamification is manipulation. Make it fun and people will engage, even if they are getting nothing of value. Then they chase the next bit of valueless fun, then the next....
Yeah, it has always bugged me. All the way back to Typing Tutor and all the games they added to that.
I wish I had learned to touch type! Perhaps more games were needed?
When I started high school there was an "office skills" course (real office, not MS office at that time) and only girls took it. Secretary class. I wish I had taken it.
It was pretty apparent that computers were going to become important and at the time, PC's hadn't fully embraced the mouse that Apple introduced. I decided learning typing would be a smart move. We used physical typewriters and a book. No games, no fun, just repetition. My sister was actually in my high school class with me. One of the few we had together in our overlapping HS years.
Twins?
No, she is two years older than me.
You are smarter than me.
This is how the girls did it too. It was pretty rudimentary - and worked.!
I'm still a firm believer it is the best way to learn.
I have experienced that just saving money is not sufficient to actually build real wealth. We should take on some risk and make smart investments to generate extra income, particularly in the current shifting economic environment.
I have never earned enough where savings would be significant to even build a decent savinfs!
Experience matters immensely in life as it's the primary way we learn, grow, and build wisdom, shaping our identity, skills, and understanding of the world. The earlier we get the better it is for life. These days, kids want robget experince to enjoy not to get any lead our of it. Strange the differne of understanding is widening slowly and slowly.
The gaps in everything are widening: wealth, health, opportunity, skill, happiness...
I think that my HP proves that I am better at investing than in saving. Until investments price go down. After that I start to think that I am not a great investor after all.😛
It is easy when winning.
Calling convenience a form of saving is brilliant. We save time and effort, but quietly lose resilience. Screens give fast rewards without break, yet life doesn’t work that way. I wonder how much of today’s financial anxiety comes from avoiding small discomforts for too long.
I suspect quite a lot. I know for me it is this way. I have a feeling it is only getting worse with the younger folk.
I do think that saving is more beneficial for the wealthy, but investing is the way for the not so wealthy.
Investing brings risks though, so I choose to invest like I would be saving.
That is fine too. The difference comes when people think investing is going to a concert.
The point about Gen-Z and FOMO caught my attention. Risk used to teach lesson,now it often just buys experiences that blur together. If actuy nothing is learned, was it really worth the risk?
I would love to hear what experiences people here feel actually changed how they think or act.
For me, it hit closer to home after my daughter was born. I was prepared (so I thought) but many things went wrong and had large knock-on effects still to this day (and foreseeable future). Investing isn't just about money, it is about building a life of value and opportunity.
Thanks