Banning Stupidity

in Reflections8 days ago

The Australian government is in the process of "banning" social media for children, though the details haven't yet been formalized. And while I am not a big fan of government intervention into the lives of people to socially engineer outcomes, I am also not a fan of poor parenting that has so little control over what their children consume. This covers more than their digital diet though, for as I have said before, I think that a lot are also physically failing their children in what they feed them.

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My daughter made the red one in the middle first, and then the black, reversing the colors. After which, she made the others in a range of colors. All of them are different, all of them have a slightly changed block configuration, yet, as you look at them, they are all close enough to the same, aren't they?

She calls them tomatoes.

But, that image of them together reminds me of what social media is doing to us, and even more heavily to our children, as while the younger generation believe they are increasingly unique because they keep labelling themselves new things, they are actually becoming more homogenous, more similar, less unique.

This is because of what they eat, where for instance physically, we know that our diets are varied, but we are eating far too many calories than we are able to burn, so the average person is increasing in weight. Similarly, while there are many sources of information online, there is also an average that is spread through the platforms that the majority of people are consuming from, so while everyone is eating a tailored breakfast of unique content made just for them, they are actually being painted with a broad brush, being fed with a large spoon a similar diet to a massive group of people, similar to themselves.

The more we eat, the more we resemble what we eat.

While social media might have some upsides to it, the overall impact is likely negative, and is probably even more negative the younger it starts. So many of our executive functions develop in the first few years, yet kids are now being raised on screens, in non-realities. These functions continue to develop through adolescence, and we have been continuing the digital conditioning all the way through to adulthood, when the prefrontal cortex has matured.

Key Executive functions

Impulse Control: Regulating immediate reactions and behaviors to achieve long-term goals.
Emotional Control: Managing emotions to avoid impulsive decisions and maintain focus.
Flexible Thinking: Adjusting mental sets and adapting to changing situations.
Working Memory: Holding and manipulating information in short-term memory for cognitive tasks.
Self-Monitoring: Tracking one’s own performance and adjusting behavior accordingly.
Planning and Prioritizing: Setting goals, allocating time and resources, and making decisions about task sequence.
Task Initiation: Starting and initiating tasks, overcoming procrastination and inertia.
Organization: Structuring and coordinating tasks, information, and resources to achieve goals.

Any have issues?

Even adults who have not grown up on screens, have been affected in these areas by the shift into digital existence over the last two decades, which indicates just how influential it is. But, apply this from childhood so that these factors don't develop much at all to begin with, and we are going to see a lot of variability in personal conditions, but how much of it is positive? Now, this variation is being framed as "uniqueness" but I believe it comes down more to homogeneity, just like the trend toward higher fat percentages across populations.

I found this part interesting from the wiki linked above:

The major change that occurs in the brain in adulthood is the constant myelination of neurons in the prefrontal cortex. At age 20–29, executive functioning skills are at their peak, which allows people of this age to participate in some of the most challenging mental tasks.

Consider that statement for a moment and then consider that these days, the average under thirty has barely worked, may not have a career path, not be in a committed relationship, not have children. Yet, this is the age we are the most mentally capable, where we really could have what is now an overused and poorly applied term, a growth mindset. Instead of growing though, many of the young are postponing growing up, and maintaining their childhood, where entertainment is the most important aspect of life, and boredom the worst.

And this desire to be entertained plays into the hands of consumerism and corporate wealth, which makes sense, because it is those corporations that have driven the conditioning. For my entire life I have been told how influential advertising is over people's behaviors, yet we have created an informational environment that is essentially all advertising. Everything we consume has some kind of agenda to sell us something, and the more time on site we spend, the less space we have devoid of the corporate nudges for products, services and ideas.

As you can see, I am not a fan of the way society is currently operating, nor am I a fan of government intervention. However, what is going to be interesting with "banning social media" is that in order to do so, they are going to have to define what social media is, aren't they? Sure, we can see Facebook, TikTok and X and Instagram and the like in that group, but what about the news services that encourage conversations under their articles that are designed to evoke emotional reactions?

Impulse Control: Regulating immediate reactions and behaviors to achieve long-term goals.
Emotional Control: Managing emotions to avoid impulsive decisions and maintain focus.

They are leveraging the same social and technological mechanisms that a social platform will use, from clickbait titles, to embedded adverts, and emotive language to illicit emotional response. Most of the games out there are also leveraging social network dynamics in order to build peer validation and stickiness into the experience, all to keep people playing and paying.

Where is the line?

And I think that this is where the governments are going to fail, because regardless of their legislation, the industries are incentivized to keep changing in order to maximize shareholder wealth. It doesn't matter whether what they are doing is good for society or speeding the journey to ultimate obliteration, it is all about the short gain, the calendar year, the next quarter.

For me at least, I am not going to rely on a government to raise my child and ensure that she has the right food in her body or mind, because they can only ever work on the averages, and the averages are pretty unhealthy. I want my daughter to be far better than average, not so that she can be better than others, but because I see the average degrading in just about every way that matters to humanity. If I want the best for my daughter, I can't have her eat averagely. The content she consumes has to be for improved growth, not just for mitigating decline.

The governments are likely seeing what many of us who have been paying attention have known for a long time; that the society that we have built and the businesses that profit from the economy of it, are harmful to our long-term success as a species. Not even long-term, but our success with the current population we have. They realize that their schemes that used to keep the game going will collapse, because the pool of resources can no longer bring adequate value into the system.

They are too late.

But, there will be some small percentage of children out there today, who have parents that have created information environments that will give them not only an advantage over the average, but also the skills to perhaps make a positive difference to help the average, to save the average in the future. But if everyone thinks the same and supports what the average thinks, not enough is going to change. So, the world-changers are going to have to work far outside the average, and find ways to get support to make their creativity, a reality. Even if it is in their best interest to support, the average won't support, because that is not how the conditioning has designed them to respond.

Perhaps if there was a ban on stupidity.

Taraz
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The Australian government is in the process of "banning" social media for children

All governments in the entire universe can foad horribly with that level of nonsense. I have zero patience for overreach and even less for people excusing and justifying it.

the average under thirty has barely worked, may not have a career path, not be in a committed relationship, not have children

I recently asked eldest how his job hunt was going and got a rant in response (the usual about everything allegedly screaming for workers but what they actually want is a type of worker so specific that it's very hard to get, so they don't get what they want and pretend that people are being too lazy to apply for jobs, and our now running gag of all the entry level jobs demanding 5 years experience, he's given up again and is trying to find "something else" but doesn't know what that "something else" is).

because that is not how the conditioning has designed them to respond

If challenged do people accept that they've been "conditioned"? Does that still have generally negative connotations?

All governments in the entire universe can foad horribly with that level of nonsense. I have zero patience for overreach and even less for people excusing and justifying it.

Have you ever considered what that line of overreach is though? In my opinion, parents should do their jobs as parents, but are they? Some yes, many it is highly questionable. Governments are terrible, terrible, terrible at governing people (the irony), but when they try, it should make people more aware that they have to step themselves up and take responsibility instead.

The challenge of the employment market is interesting, as there are all kinds of poor outcomes based on bad decisions in the past. In Finland for example, there are jobs available, but the population is so educated that no one wants to do those jobs, even though like you said, they don't have the experience to qualify them for much.

If challenged do people accept that they've been "conditioned"? Does that still have generally negative connotations?

I think so. But, can we really defend the position that we aren't all conditioned in some way? I know I am.

I'm very paranoid about thin edges of wedges and slippery slopes and roads to hell and overreach is extremely easy to just keep moving because after all you're doing it for the good of something and it feels like the right thing to do who in their right mind can possibly argue when it's to make sure terrible events never happen again so no one has to go through the pain and anguish. Moreso if it's something that you personally agree with.

Governments are terrible, terrible, terrible at governing people (the irony)

I giggled because why is this so very true XD

can we really defend the position that we aren't all conditioned in some way?

You think that people accept that they've been conditioned or that it has generally negative connotations? Both? I don't know if it's just the people I know/have known but if you mention being conditioned to respond in a certain way it's apparently an affront, even though everything is pretty much conditioning.

Great post, thanks. Its fascinating ( and a little alarming) how the advent of social media and the internet has changed some very fundamental aspects of our journey through life.

I often remark.."Man!, if Google was around when I was a kid, I'd be a genius!!", not implying that I am particularly cleaver, but I recall being starved for info, hungry to find out more. When a subject took my imagination I quickly exhausted all sources of info, I remember reading, and re-reading the few books on fishing that I had, or struggling to understand chemistry or electronics because I only had snippets of information that dropped in at various places on the learning curve, and generally didn't start from the basics. An then there was nobody to explain the first principals to me, so the end result, I day dreamed, instead of learned ( I didn't grow up in a town, out local town was small and the occasional trip to the library quickly exhausted all material of interest )

What if I had YouTube and Google ?

I'd like to think I would have consumed as much of the information as my growing brain could absorb, but here is the rub...being realistic and knowing myself a bit better now ,I'm sure I would have gravitated to mindless games and easy entertainment.

These positive traits and executive skills are present in everybody to a greater or lesser degree, just like physical traits, but they need to be developed and grown, forced into existence.

Water flows down hill , it is human nature to tend to the easy and if the easy sucks you in further, well, the difficult becomes even harder until it seems impossible.

Social media is one aspect, the demise of strict education and full-time parenting is also a contributor.

Young minds are water, they will flow down hill if left to their own devices ( pun!?)

"Man!, if Google was around when I was a kid, I'd be a genius!!"

It is a funny thing. We have access to so much information, but unfortunately for most, information isn't knowledge or skill - it still matters how it is applied.

.being realistic and knowing myself a bit better now ,I'm sure I would have gravitated to mindless games and easy entertainment.

For most, this is what happens. And possibly (as I have often written about) if Einstein or similar had grown up today, he would be a very intelligent idiot.

Governments should seek that overall population would be deciding their choices based on scientific studies and articles. Prohibiting the access between certain ages stages in the young population wouldn't grow aware and not give the parents or tutors the true decision of what they can "feed" their children or tutored.
By presenting the truth about the consequences, the responsibility and decision would be far explained and understood by everyone involved.
Gradually "we" are walking to a society were "we" don't value the free choice and the free access to information.
The true freedom is not to be able to have everything that we can have, but to know what is the results of our choices, delivering the choice to us.
Excellent post

Governments should seek that overall population would be deciding their choices based on scientific studies and articles.

People are free to do as they please, right? However, we also see what happens with freedoms, because most people want to do what they enjoy, not what is good for themselves or others. So, is it survival of the fittest (fit being those who can take care of themselves) and screw everyone who fails, or is it stop most people from failing to the detriment of those who can look after themselves?

A thought choice, indeed. But I don't like that obligations are imposed by governments. Off course that, for example, the obligation of the use of the car seat-belt is important not only for the person that uses it, but also for the security of all the other involved when in car crash scenario. This last week, I passed some time with my daughter-in-law, and I saw her parents deciding and explaining to her "some rules". When you explain the youngster ones that, for example, having a soda at lunch or dinner is not good for your wealth, in detriment of only saying "no", is far more educative for the child. Explanation is always better then prohibition by it self.
I "understand" that the Australian government want to protect those who aren't "able" of deciding by themselves what is the best for them. A very controversy topic, indeed...

It's part of my job to filter certain things on the Internet where I work. There are some non negotiables that get blocked no matter what. There are others that are a bit more of a gray area. Social media is one of those. My position is we keep it open and we teach the kids to be good digital citizens but no one wants to do that, so we end up blocking it. Much to my annoyance.

A good digital citizen is a hard thing to define for children, because I think that it ends up warping their minds in ways that will impact on them being good citizens in general.

I think I finally disagree with you for once! :) About time right? I think being courteous, patient, thorough, measured, cautious, respectful, responsible, etc. translates just as well in the real world as it does in the digital world.

It's like the other saying, @tarazkp "Common sense isn't common anymore..." I can attest to this, as I didn't have a jot of it until I was 24.

I wonder if things will get better...

Annabelle

I have no idea if things will get better, or if the pressure will just keep climbing across all these areas until we catastrophically fail as a species.

It's a bleak outlook to be sure, but sadly, a realistic one...

Hope you are well :)

I support this decision, especially for TikTok. To me, it is kinda drug which is harmful both for children's psychology and health.

They are all terrible - TikTok might a be a little more terrible :)

If there is a way to ban social media for children (with certain age specification) I will strongly agree even in my country. Many children have mean morally derailed by uncensored exposure to social media.

And what of the role of the children's parents?

That is the sad thing we refuse to talk about. Maybe running around to make money for the children's upkeep has made most of us neglect our primary responsibility of parenting

Will this work?
If the Australian government bans social media for children, does this mean they can’t watch things on their parents phones?
It all falls down to parenting

No, it won't work.

Such a news like this is exposing the irresponsible attitude of some parents.