Reflection: Is There More Quality on Hive Than You Think?

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If you've been around on Hive for a while you'd know the term 'shitpost' - a vulgar moniker for a low effort post or maybe just a post that people deem poor quality - for whatever arbitary reason they decide. Maybe they don't like the multiple photos of the same object, all out of focus and left justified. Maybe they don't like the fact it's only 80 words and is a photo of someone's cat sleeping in the sunshine. Maybe they think that in comparision to the other good quality content they've seen this week, that the rewards are undue and raping the reward pool - yep, reward pool rape is also a vulgarity of Hive. I like 'theft' better - and it's only when people are thieving intentionally that it really bothers me.

The only cat photo I have in thousands of photos, taken in Chefchouen, Morocco.

@tarazkp's post this week about what makes a quality post here as well as a few other conversations on Hive about whether blogging is dead got me thinking a little more about what people do on HIVE.

It's this line from @curator.cat's post that got me, simple in it's declaration:

'should we continue to choose feeding our eternal dopamine addictions with meaningless "likes" in place of actually taking the time to not only share actual knowledge, as well as chronicling our existence.'

In my mind, this felt like a response - certainly mine - to a few negative comments that berate 'shit posters' or content that doesn't agree with their sensibilities. Sure, you might not like to read an extended essay but nor do you have to - there's a ton of content here that might be more your thing. A dissection of the week on Splinterlands. A recipe for puffpall schnitzel. A garden clean up after a storm. Some photographs of a jetty on a rainy day. As they say, scroll on by if you don't like it.

We also need to put aside our own judgements about aesthetics - not everyone here is a formatting Queen, nor a photographer. Instagram this isn't. What you get here is humanness - from every angle. The guy who's had an awful week and posts about his sadness. The newbie from Bangledesh writing about the rain destroying his crops. The dressmaker from Lagos showing off her threads. The writer from Canada experimenting with haiku. The Australian girl talking about snakes in her Queensland garden. The messy failures, the joyful successes. The existance chroniclers. There's some real gold there, I promise.

The only other 'cat' photo I have, according to the search function in Google photos, is actually a dog. Don't mind the trivia - I'm just prettying up my shitpost.

We don't have to create a beautiful blog amongst a trillion other Wordpresses or Squarespaces. We just need to engage with life, and share it with others.

That's quality.

And the difference between our quality and the quality you get elsewhere is exactly what @tarazkp says - it's about conversation (though his idea of a 'good' conversation might be different to yours). Because there's nothing worse on Hive than sharing and getting crickets and tumbleweed - a post we've spent time on and hoped for someone to respond to with no comments at all.

So really, in my mind a 'shitposter' doesn't exist - the shit posts are the ones produced by plagiarizers and vote farmers and those that pass off AI produced content as their own.

What we can have, however, is people that produce their own content, but don't bother interacting with the other content creators here. Take a minute. Go visit someone you've never met. Comment on their story. Take the time to acknowledge them, even if at face value you thought their post wasn't going to be your thing. When you make an effort to do so, you'll find 'quality' take on a whole new vibe.

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Exactly. If you think there is too little community and creativity on HIVE, do something to change that. Comment. Reblog. Argue in a polite and civil manner. Reply to comments on your post. We can't completely end bots, autovoting, plagiarism, and spam, but we can make the platform better for real people in our engagement and curation choices.

we can make the platform better for real people in our engagement and curation choices.

Yes. Thanks for seeing my point. Late here but I'll be round to visit soon x

We also need to put aside our own judgements about aesthetics

I would say put aside everything that we feel personally, because this is a open platform and everyone is free to do what they want. Don't upvote, if you don't like, or even downvote if you dislike - everyone is free to decide their action.

I admit, I have often said blogging is dead. But when I say it, I mean it from a we're gonna go mainstream!! kind of way.

I think it has it's niche and is well served here.

Absolutely agree. There's no way we're going mainstream as a blogging platform, but the tools and options available for bloggers here are spectacular, I think. And, there's no reason Hive needs to go mainstream to be a place that bloggers, artists, photographers, and so on can actually earn a living sharing their passion. Even though blogging is a niche, how many thoughtful, genuine bloggers (like @riverflows) are there in the global population? 1 million? Idk, but it's a lot more than the 10,000 Hive users we have; it's a bigger niche than we have so far been able to connect with.

100% It's a fantastic place for all creatives to do their thing and showcase their work. Sometimes I think those that long for mainstream lose sight of it being absolutely fine not going to the moon. Although I would like to see a rise in active numbers but that's another matter!

it being absolutely fine not going to the moon.

Right on!

Even during the boom of 'blogger' (early 2000's?) individual blogging was never mainstream. It tends to get worse as we are forced into ever quicker content like shorts and etc. It's not gonna die anytime soon, but it's indeed a niche thing.

I remember that peak well. In fact that would be when I had a blog and considered it cool 😀😀

It was a hella cool to post about our awesome day as a 14 y/o person in school haha

Haha, if only that were so!! 🤣🤣

Because there's nothing worse on Hive than sharing and getting crickets and tumbleweed - a post we've spent time on and hoped for someone to respond to with no comments at all.

Commenting on posts is not really encouraged on Hive. There is no financial incentive to do so (except for commenting on Hivers with a bigger stake).

That was one of the things that I found a bit disappointing about Hive in the beginning; creating a nice post that did get rewards, but no comments.

I know @acidyo & @ocd are looking into rewarding quality comments as well. I hope that will help improve engagement.

It's a good thing that more people see the value of engagement on Hive.
I'll see how I can do my part!

There is no financial incentive to do so (except for commenting on Hivers with a bigger stake).

I've always felt that we should be motivated to comment because it supports the platform as a whole.

Rewards aren't consistent - so there's always a sense of 'i know the reward CAN be MAYBE good today, which kinda keeps me here, but MOSTLY I'm getting over the fact no one bothers to read or comment on my work'. If people feel that way, they leave, which isn't good for Hive - value drops as the user base drops.

If everyone does their bit to make people feel valued - both with votes and comments - it's a win for everyone.

Idk, I kinda come at it from an empathetic viewpoint, knowing how it feels to be unseen.

I think there's great stuff on here that doesn't get rewarded as much as it should. Great travels and photography makes less than someone going to an art gallery and shoots pictures of someone else's creation. It's all too broken.

I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes it's about who is posting, the wider context of what they're posting about, their community, a whole range of things. It's always been a tough one. I know that there's some curators who try hard to look for undervalued posts.

This thing about engagement on hive isn't talked about enough. When I first joined hive, I didn't really bother about engagements but along the line, when I would get beautiful comments, even if I didn't get upvotes, I would get one beautiful reader tell me that they found what I wrote inspiring. that they appreciate the efforts I put into making the posts, that always lifted my spirits. I even loved more, when people went as far as to point out mistakes.

Those little things really made me fall in love with hive. And I promised myself to give back to the platform. If every user on hive decides to give back to the platform as much or more than they receive, hive would be a better place for users on here.
Dropping little words of appreciation would mean everything to an author. Everyone loves to know that their efforts are valued. No one wants to spend an amount of time and mental energy making a post and it ends up getting tagged as a shitpost with no recognition at all.
I love reading your posts ma'am. They're always inspiring.

If every user on hive decides to give back to the platform as much or more than they receive, hive would be a better place for users on here.

Couldn't agree more, and it's nice to know you are one of the good ones!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts
It is allways nice if someone responds to the posts.

I can see you are empathetic, that is a beautiful quality😍.
Some communities makes it compulsory for members to comment on another's post before dumping theirs. Even with that I still see people who refused to read and end up making a comment that is not related to that content.
It's not compulsory to make a comment, but it makes the author to feel valued and visible which in turn encourages him/her.

Even with that I still see people who refused to read and end up making a comment that is not related to that content.

Oh yeah that happens all the time. Those I don't bother responding to - my time is too precious!

I've also been captured by the humanity there is here. A different kind of quality content, that doesn't rely on valuable informations, the quality of you phone camera or the resolution and lightning of your videos.

It's about showing who you are and what you like to other people that can appreciate that, as simple as it is.
Every other technicism is just a detail.

Viva Hive 👏🏻

I've come to realize that too. I do appreciate quality photos though - don't get me wrong. And I'll always offer kind advice if I think it'd help the quality of their post. But you have to see through that to the heart, don't you?

Thank you for linking to all the lovely posts and people. I loved reading their posts about blogging and how it is not dead. I have been around blogs since the late 90s, still have my own website (and blog) but at one point got burned out by things like 'follow me, I'll follow you' things and eventually found Steem then Hive.

Here on Hive I am trying to build a 'trusted network' of people I like. Just for me. I won't be posting every day - like others do. I also won't be commenting on every Hive post - I have a life outside of Hive after all. But I will definitely always try to post quality (in my opintion) and discuss in comments accordingly.

I love reading comments, other comments under posts I read, too. It gives me different perspectives on what I just read and I like that. Where am I going with this? Not sure. But sure enough:

Blogging is NOT dead

I heard since the 2000s that blogging is dead, yet here we are.

Blog on!

You are a perfect HIVER - I love your comments and how you interact on HIVE!

there's nothing worse on Hive than sharing and getting crickets and tumbleweed - a post we've spent time on and hoped for someone to respond to with no comments at all.

'crickets and tumbleweed' - is that an idiom, or just a colorful image?..

Let me disagree with you about 'shitposters' non-existence. 'Farmers' is another deal, not speaking of plagiarizers, but I easily can imagine folks producing very dull, even shitty smartphone photography - trivia, non appealing in any way. Combined with farming set of mind and low-efforts posting - it produce nothing but shit. It is not surprising if such blogs end up without comments and rewards. It is surprising when they do crop rewards...

ps. forgot to say - fantastic cover photo! liked it a lot. 🐈 'The only cat photo' - does it mean there are tiny amounts of cats in Morocco? or there is plenty but you ignored them?..

Sure, you might not like to read an extended essay but nor do you have to

Every time I see people inecessantly whining about all the posts they don't want to see I'm like why did you click on it XD (and if it was an accidental click because it looked interesting, there's the back/close button, getting tilted about it probably says more about you XD)

I very mercilessly tease people about how much attention they pay to things they claim to not care about, on Facebook a bunch of friends made several status updates going "yawn don't care about [whatever it was]" I think in a vain effort to stop hearing about something else other people were interested in and I was like obviously you care a lot because you won't shut up about it

the shit posts are the ones produced by plagiarizers and vote farmers and those that pass off AI produced content as their own.

Big agree.

people that produce their own content, but don't bother interacting with the other content creators here

If it's any consolation, that seems to happen everywhere.

Though with the rest of it I now feel bad as I'm yet another one of those extended time periods where I"m barely getting through my own feeds never mind outside of them aaaaahhhh XD

maybe that's one of many reasons why not enough people are commenting x_x

There is a ton, but people staty in their little circles and don't actually look for 'quality content'. Outside of quality being subjective, of course. !PIMP

Like I shared with @tarazkp, I also think quality is subjectiv on here. But nothing is better than a good discussion on a post. I would rather have discussion on my posts than votes. I also think it is good to get out of ones comfort zone of the "follow" list and read and vote other posts. It can be challenging as you want to keep up on your followers and those you follow, but we all started somewhere, and who knows, we might just find some gems.

I also think it is good to get out of ones comfort zone of the "follow" list and read and vote other posts.

Oh man I'm desperate for new people to follow. A lot of the old friends I had here have left, and I'm keen to refresh my feed.

we all started somewhere, and who knows, we might just find some gems.

YES! I totally love this - it's empathetic as well. How much would we have loved it when we first started, to have lots of people comment? I mean, I do too now - especially on my fiction, but that's not everyone's cup of char.

Most of the people I follow are still here, which keeps me busy curating, but always looking for someone "new" to follow. It still means a great deal to me for someone to drop a line under my posts or comments. I call it "exploring" Hive when I go searching for new stuff. Using the Explore option on PeakD menu I try to find new stuff to read and comment on. It is a good feature. Thats said, I don't always do it as much as I should, and will try to do better. I think it is in Hive's best interest for us all to step out every once in a while to find new content and people.

Have a great rest of your day @riverflows !

I'm 100 percent in agreeance there! I forgot about Exlored on PEAKD - I'm going there right now!

Have fun exploring. I am going to try and do some later tonight or tomorrow morning.

Great timing. I've been thinking about our relation with our blogs lately. For the vast majority of us who've been here for more than five years, our blogs are a digital record of our own freaking life. Our blogs change as we change as humans being, as we age, as we get wiser, as we evolve our skills (writing, photography, formatting); everything is evolving. It's funny that during all these years we've seen a lot of people with superb writing and formatting skills give up, not because their content was not being recognized, but because they were forcing a "wordpress type of content". It's hard to maintain that level of quality for long periods of time. Meanwhile, those who post about their life as life allows are still here. When in a rush, one may skip photo editing and formatting doohickey or spelling mistakes may slip here and there; when time allows, one may compose something ultra-mega elaborate and long. Both are quality posts in my eyes, as long as it's individual.

Yeah I reckon. Remember the old days where you would edit for days and post then see a typo and freak out, and lose RC for editing again? And that DEFINITELY wasn't a reason for not getting a whale vote 🤣🤣🤣

Fuckety fuckery those days! I still freak out about a type typo 🤢

Hahah I don't, because most people aren't even reading what you right! :P

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