Hall Pass to Procreation

in Ladies of Hive14 hours ago

I've been thinking a fair bit about social attitudes regarding motherhood and pregnancy and a conversation I had last night really surprised me. At my friend's birthday party, talk turned to a pregnant acquaintance (not present). Naturally. Everyone wanted to know what she would do.

[And before we move on, this is not a pro or against abortion post. While I'm against the way some (few) women seem to use it as a nifty back-up so that they can ignore traditional contraceptives, I consider myself pro-abortion. I think it's madness to ban it and I do think we can work out reasonable legal previsions that support women.]

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It seems to me that women my age (and perhaps not only) have a very negative view of pregnancy. My friend was relating this acquaintance's distress and how she blamed her ex for "ruining her life". It shocked me how quickly the other women around the table agreed. It seemed I and my friend were the only ones who thought wait a second, it takes two to make a baby, so unless he forced her in some way, it wasn't this guy who'd "ruined" her life.

It ties into the infantilization of our younger generations - I see many people my age who are perfectly willing to shirk off any and every responsibility when things don't seem to go their way.

I thought okay, you might say that if this girl was 18 or 20. Still very young and immature. But when you're almost 25 as was this girl's case, it seems to me you should have a different level of responsibility and ownership regarding your own actions. That's something I've never been able to agree with regarding the abortion debate, how some women seem to think they're perfectly entitled to be careless about their contraceptive practices and then have abortion as a back-up "contraceptive". It's not how it works.

Again, I'm by no means against abortion. I just don't agree with the way it's breezily touted as just another contraceptive method by some activists or publications. It does not engender ownership or maturity in our society and without those, where the hell are we?

The "horror" of having a baby

Another part of the conversation that shocked me was how against the whole thing the other women there were. Alas, that's a mentality I've encountered in women of all ages and in increasing numbers as our modern egotistical society progresses.

The girls I talked to last night seemed horrified by the grave mistake of having a kid - why subject yourself to all those sleepless nights and deprive yourself of all the benefits of being a modern, career-oriented, self-centered woman?

Obviously, having a baby entails a great deal of compromise and sacrifice on some aspects of your life. Nevertheless, compromise that can prove greatly rewarding in the long term. We think "Oh but how will I be able to do this or that hedonistic, typically self-serving action"? You won't. So you tell yourself you're giving that up.

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Many modern women fail to consider that maybe, when their baby is actually born, whatever fun little action, purchase, or (generally) minor career advancement won't seem like a loss at all. I imagine having a child is one of the greatest perspectival shifts one can go through.

The trouble with first-time motherhood seems to be (to me, at least) that we don't know what we're gaining by it and we live in a society that is quite vocal about all the things we're losing. So then, it's no surprise that so many women are horrified by the prospect of having kids.

I was surprised when one woman (a doctor, no less) breezily stated "Everyone does it. I think like probably 80% of women have one at some point". Eyes wide, I was like "An abortion? You think 80% of women have abortions?". She said "Sure. Everybody does it."

I looked up the numbers (for the U.S., cause who cares about Romania?) and it's like 1 in 4, so 25%. And that's with an apparent increase in them after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. What's interesting to me is, what kind of information are these women digesting that leads them to such overwhelming leaps like 80%?

To hear these girls talk, you'd think the natural progression is sexual intercourse, pregnancy, then abortion.

And to be fair, no wonder since a lot of our urban-centered modern societies hold little spaces for new mothers and offer almost no safety support net for women navigating this major transition. It always seemed to me that that part somehow falls off the spectrum for many of these women's rights activists. Okay, I deserve the choice, but what if I choose to have a baby? Why aren't you supporting me then? Where are all the efforts and money and campaigns about creating spaces and groups where new mothers can keep their sanity?

Between that fear of being alone and a society that tells you that everyone does it and that having a kid is a huge compromise, loss and mistake on your part, no wonder birth rates are going down.

Not that the declining birth rate is on any one woman's shoulders. Obviously. But maybe some of these women could benefit from a change in our dialogue. Maybe before you make a quick decision that "everyone makes" based solely on all the things you're giving up, you should take a detour to the other side somehow and see all the things you're gaining by having a kid.

I don't think there is one right choice to suit all women. There can't be. But I do think every woman in this position is entitled to (and in a sense responsible for) a truly informed choice.

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When I 'fell' pregnant at 25 - 'fell' being an interesting word choice in itself - my prospective mother in law (who thank goodness never became one) wrote and asked why I didn't think to ask him to use a condom. I wish I'd retorted I was blind drunk at the time otherwise I wouldn't have slept with her son (not true).

I probably have a lot to say about all the above but I'm too head fucked by the last two weeks.

Yes, that expression has been on my mind also. Fell...and hurt yourself, presumably.

asked why I didn't think to ask him to use a condom.

Another big topic! I'm not at all a fan of this contraception is solely the woman's responsibility vibe. Seems backwards to me.

How are you holding up, my dear?

She also told Jamie at our wedding he was a 'brave man' to carry me over the threshold. And she wore bright hot pink. So...

It IS utterly backwards.

I was t responsible, and had a beautiful child. Best thing I ever made. But having a child can be really hard too, and I know the cost of living crisis has people scared.

Not holding up great.

Hmmmm

It's pretty sad for those women to talk like that...
Like abortion is a run up the counter ibuprofen you take while having a hangover after a night out drinking.

Ober 80% is wild to say...
Like how could she say such...
With it's risks, it's costs, the potential pain, how many women are willing.

Honestly, some who aim for the successful career women don't actually end up successful so😂😂...

"cada cual habla de la fiesta segun como le vaya", simple

I was trying to articulate a comment, but I'm just amazed. You're so right in everything point you touched in this post!!! So I just should say thank you. As a young man in an underdeveloped country, I didn't know woman all over the world were passing through this bunch of stuff... So thank you 🙏🏼❤️✨


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We're seeing the needle here in the US moving towards young couples making having children a priority, at least amongst conservatives. I think Elon Musk has been a driver of this with his warning of population collapse. Part of the issue here is the insanely high cost of living and student debt. Young couples were convinced the "responsible thing" to do was to wait until they could afford to have children but the trouble with that is when that day comes they're reaching the age where fertility begins to dip and it becomes more difficult. On the other hand, Americans on public assistance are incentivized for having more children because it increases their monthly welfare payment amounts with each new child. This is a crazy country in so many ways. I never had any biological children myself (but do have a stepson). I was one of the ones who were convinced that waiting was "the responsible thing" but now I sometimes have regrets. I wonder what the experience of raising my own children would have been like. In retrospect, I think it would have been fun and enriching. We were just at the park the other day and this young couple, probably in their early to mid-thirties, pulled up to the park and they had six children (newborn to about age 8)! They had just come from church and were all dressed up. I haven't seen a young family that large in public since the 1970's, it was quite common back then.