Personally I think that this current system is working great and what you are proposing is going to destroy any kind of actual incentivization by manual voters and force all of this to go to automatic voting.
Yep what happens when my friends content is older than 24 hours I'm not allowed to vote for him unless he is on auto vote?
Biggest thing is most new people don't know how to set up hive.vote.
Or the power that comes from a group's curation trail let alone you having multiple accounts and setting up Auto voting and curation trails.
Personally I see all of your options as an extremely poor idea.
Why is it that you are forcing this huge change? It seems that your idea and opinion are being reinforced with your ego..
Extremely bad idea I vote to leave the entire week open.
The small guys do not know how to get locked into a group and receive rewards from them are only going to be hurt by your actions.
I see this move just forcing more smaller accounts to give up. Especially if you push it all the way down to 2 hours.
Part of what makes this all work is that you can look in and reward individuals for their content. Yes you do take a hit for voting later on. But if that content is that good.... I don't care I'll throw a full 100% vote on my friends excellent work.
To be clear this would not change the payout window, which is different from the voting window for increased curation rewards. Right now, the voting window is 5minutes, with a 7 day payout. The changes proposed is to move that from 5 minutes to 2-24 hours, with a 7 day pay out. Hope that clarifies things.
It does clarify things but my point still stands even with your clarification I will stand by my opinion on how I foresee this change affecting things.
there are quite a few new individuals that I will go to their account and vote their content.
Having that window opened up enough so that they can get some serious rewards for dedicated effort?
Personally I believe that the 7-Day open window and the current method has been the most balanced and time-tested way.
Or do you propose to completely eliminate all auto voting and force all rewards to be manual curation?
Personally that's what I'm seeing since the war on bidbots.
People can still auto vote. These changes are intended to remove the advantage auto votes have over manually voting. Why should I be penalized for actually viewing and voting on my own schedule?
If we dont remove the early voting penalty you will still be penalized with longer voting window. In this case if you vote to early.... you will need to wait to the last hour of the voting window to vote
I was under the impression early voting penalties were to be removed. That part seemed like common sense. Removing the early penalty and increasing the window length go hand in hand.
Then we go flat curation, no voting window
Whatever happens it better not just be some new experiment slopped together then exploited for a year or more. I think I'll just leave it at that. LOL!
Self serving profiteers abused flat curation into the ground but we didn't have free downvotes to counter exploits. Now we do.
As I understood it - it is flat in the window and then past the window, votes stack as they have done earlier. This means the window voters earn more, but all relative to each other in the window (and stake of course).
So late voters, by today's standards, wouldn't really be voting late anymore, they would be on time. We'd see less votes after say 12, or 24 hours, depending on the window, but those kind of late votes are rare now anyway and always have been. Then if something is so hot and awesome that people want to vote after a day, many more consumers would benefit off the creators pure awesomeness.
This window has to mix well with how trending works. That added visibility would finally amount to more support, rather than posts shooting straight up instantly then fizzling out. Makes sense.
Well how is it that you're going to remove the advantage auto voters have?
And for that matter why is it that you think shortening window is going to help you not be penalized for actually viewing and voting on your own schedule... If we took it all the way down due to ours that would prevent you from ever being able to vote on things unless it was immediately posted.
Honestly enough sounds great on paper going to end up really bad in the execution
If I spend five minutes talking to you, auto voters have already positioned themselves to earn more on the post I'm about to go look at once I'm done here. My late vote ensures they earn more, and they didn't even have to consume that content. My goal is to support content, not those who voted early without even looking at what they voted for.
If that window is increased, then I could spend all day here talking to you, then go visit that post whenever, and give/get a fair share.
Ok I like where you are going with this.
This has to be combined with the removal of early voting penalties. It's such a delicate balancing act. If there is a point where automated maximizers vote, I'm thinking those who got in early and voted manually should be the ones being rewarded along with the creator. Basically flipping what we do now. I don't even know if that's possible. I just know what we do now is backwards.
I didn't reply as well - I think nonames explained it better :)
Writing a bit of code isn't content curation. Catering to autovoters is anathema to the idea of a creative community where people interact.
Personally from the war on big bodies and the current behavior it seems that all auto voting is frowned upon even though the system is set up for the groups and communities.
The groups in communities are the most rewarded because they have the auto vote set up.
It seems again this is a coordinated effort at control.
Personally I didn't see a problem with the bitbots however there was abuse issues that were being addressed with them that never got fully resolved and the system isn't the best however it works and we are trying to make this entire world last.
It sure would be a shame that this idea of war against our own people would continue and result in more people leaving our ecosystem.
Personally I see a lot of changes that could be made to our system.
But I'm just a small little user fighting to swim and survive
Bidbots and paid votes nearly siphoned 100% of the reward pool out and into the wallets of only those selling votes. Shit content was placed in higher slots, scaring consumers away, while everyone else making actual money was being paid to look away/paid to not even be here. That's how you destroy an attention economy.
There is still the 7 day payout window - this only affects the competition period, where in this window it is flat and once the window closes, the votes will stack up on top. This essentially destroys the need for autovoting, other than wanting to consistently offer support to a favourite author.