I recently made a post where I analyzed how our community has performed over the past two years.
I believe that a sports community has all the potential to be one of the greatest communities, as it is a huge topic, with many passionate people who like to talk and talk about it.
Right now, unfortunately, our community is in no man's land because nobody really understands how the DAO works, and we have a lot of stakeholders who are not really interested in our community.
This makes it currently impossible to implement any idea.
My proposal would be to put the DAO on hold and have a core team at least until we are all satisfied with the state of the community and think that the DAO can be reactivated again.
The core team would initially be composed of 2 elements:
@cryptoancoffee -> a very active and well-known user of our community who shares a great passion talking about sports
@cryptosimplify -> a reasonably active user, practicing federated sports and with experience in software development/management
So that decisions are not made by just two people, a discussion group will be set up in which we consider including people like @blanchy, @talesfrmthecrypt, @empress-eremmy and @niallon11.
However, we will still have to talk to each of these people to find out if they would be interested.
The proposed initial roadmap is:
- transfer all private keys of the @patrickulrich community accounts to the core team;
- transfer the @patrickulrich domain to the core team;
- analyze the current status of the SPORTS tokenomics;
- analyze whether the cut rule on SPORTS rewards is cut in half if the post is created outside our front end;
- burn all liquidity SPORTS that exist in community accounts (except @sport-gov due to active proposals);
- rebrand community logo and SPS token logo;
- re-analyze/deploy advertising on our front end (the return generated by this publicity will be used to make SPORTS buy backs & burns and to increase the Hive HP of the community accounts)
- analyze whether it makes sense for our community to invest in tokens that will generate dividends (another form of passive income that will allow more buy backs & burns)
If this proposal is approved, no community money will be asked or used for this change to occur.
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I think this is more about waking up the community and trying to get everyone involved more than anything else. We need to move Sports forward and this is what the community should be doing. Discussions need to be had with ideas thrown around before anything is decided as this involves all of us. Voting on proposals now is way to early as nothing has been discussed and there are no new ideas.
I think we all want the community to do well. The people mentioned like myself post regularly on sport so want to see Sports have a game plan which it doesn't seem to have. THe Discord channel is dead and take for example the Fantasy premier league discord is a Hive of activity amd great fun actually.
I think what @cryptosimplify is trying to achieve is good intentions and we are lucky he is interested in making the tribe better as well. Nobody is planning a coup but there needs to be a discussion about where we are heading. Some type of townhall where everyone who is interested takes part. You dont need to be a dev to have a plan or roadmap. Yep we seem to be decentralised in one way but so are the other tribes and they are still led by a group of stakeholders that are active in the community. Doing something , anything is better than doing nothing at all. @cryptosimplify proposal whether it gets through or not should be the kick starter for new ideas around the future of sportstalk
That is my point to think a create a roadmap it is not necessary to be a dev.
We can define some tasks that needs software development but the execution comes later and when we reach hat point we analyse the Best approach to that.
However, to be able to do this kind of thing and start doing something I think DAO it is not good because we will not be able to agile as necessary since it is necessary to get votes and people can be days or weeks without come to here.
What kind of community change is so urgent that it would require a more agile decision path?
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For example, finding a dev who says he has some free time today and could make some needed changes to the front end.
I've had contact with cases like these outside Hive so I wouldn't be surprised if this happens someday.
Why does the community need to be consulted for front end changes? The front end is ran by Hive Engine so if you made changes to it you could send them upstream to HE and they could implement.
But doesn't the frontend also fit for being a community asset?
Or is it only the things that are onchain that belong to the community?
So I get confused about decentralization and that the community should have voting power on everything.
One reason would be the payment for that work.
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Hey @cryptosimplify
Sorry, but currently I'm getting a little tired since I've been here debating ideas and trying to show that something needed to change.
A quick summary:
I've been in this community for just over two years and during this time I think that few things or almost nothing has been improved and we continue to be just another tribe when we have a theme at the level called Sport that everyone in the world talks about .
However, we were not able to capture new users or even keep the users who are here.
My idea would be to have a drastic change in the management of the community so that we can try to take steps forward and reach another level.... but it seems that after all, the thing is not seen by many people.
Yeah I see where you are coming from and I know you mean well for the community it is a welcome idea but will take time for others to see the need I will advise you keep pushing don't relent. I am in support of your thoughts for the community hopefully the big guys react positively to this new development.
Seriously, I have been thinking of this on my own, I'm glad you can push this out. I appreciate your positive effort concerning the community. I am in support of the idea. Sports tribe could be one of the most interesting tribe on hive, but I keep wondering what could go wrong.
Thanks a lot for the support.
However this will not ahead since many community members dont want it.
I am very glad that someone is still interested in this community. So you have my full support!
Thanks a lot for the support.
Dont forget to go to Proposal on Sports Talk Social frontend and vote
Sounds good @cryptosimplify . We need to be proactive and get this community where it should be. Up there with the Leo's and the Splinterlands of this world.
Thanks a lot for your support.
I hope the community approve the proposal in order we be able to improve our community.
If you can, please to go proposals and vote on this proposal.
We'd love to hear what parts sound good to you. While this proposal isn't valid for governance matters we'd love to see future proposals that help the tribe improve.
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Yep, sounds good to me, I'm all for it. Great to see you involved @cryptosimplify
Thanks a lot for your support.
Let's improve our community.
If you can, please go to proposals and vote on this proposal.
I tried to click vote button, but does not seem to do anything?
It does because some community members have already cast their vote in the proposal.
Sounds good but need refinement. I think you need to include not only people who are active but also people who are not active but with large stakes of, say, above 50 million sports.
https://he.dtools.dev/richlist/SPORTS
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I have mentioned a lot of stakeholders.
Are you saying we need to include SPORTS whales on team?
Is Patrick on board with this? You are right, I have been out of the loop for while now but I do regularly post on the platform and as a moderate stakeholder I would be interested in being part of that discussion group.
I discussed with Patrick in this post about change the community control to a core team, and he said that is ok if the community agree with that.
So I had the initiative to create a proposal to see if the community wants these changes because we can have all ideas but if the community doesn't agree with them, it's not worth thinking about doing different things.
But looking at the latest response from @sportstalksocial account that I think that was written by @patrickulrich I would say that it seems that the opinion about the possible changes is no longer welcome.
We don't welcome these changes but want the community to have any option they'd see fit. If that would be to have a centralized group operating things then that's the stakeholder's decision to make. We aren't in favor of it though.
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I think anything that is done needs to be done with the approval of the community. The handing over of keys is nothing to take lightly, so I wanted to make sure this was all above board. Like I said, I am heavily invested in this community even though I might not be active in the Discord. I want it to do well. I don't think a coup or even the impression of a coup is the way to do it though. Either way, whatever happens moving forward. I just wanted you to know that I am interesting in being part of the discussions.
Really dont know What to answer you since currently there are no discussion group in our community and anything happens.
And it appears that I am the only one trying to move things forward but at same time I am the bad guy in this story.
So... Maybe I am the problem
I was referring to this. If it were to go through, I would want to be part of that group.
Like you said, it doesn't appear as though it will. I wouldn't give up though. I think you can find a compromise. Have you thought about starting a Discord chat with key stakeholders to come up with a proposal that would meet most everyone's needs?
I think all of us have a vested interest and would like to see the SPORTS community be successful.
Am really glad there are people who are still very interested in the community. We need more frequent discussions like this if not any other thing. For changes I'll still be seeking opinions of a few respected persons in the community before casting my vote, but I honestly appreciate the concern. This conversation is necessary.
Should the proposal scale through, I'll like to be replaced by @bozz as I barely manage to find time for Hive generally these days due to personal reasons. I'm very open to lending a helping hand in other ways in the future
I think I know of a Discord that we could use that already has a lot of key stakeholders in it....
https://discord.gg/Pr2css7Auu
... best part is you don't even have to use Discord. If you prefer Telegram you can join the same conversation at https://t.me/sportstalksocial or if you prefer to be more decentralized you can join us on a Matrix client through https://matrix.to/#/#generalsportstalk:matrix.org
Our discoord it is almost without activity and no one until today wanted to discuss or talk about the community growing.
I dont know if it is your case or not but I cannot understand how we are delegating 5k HP to Actifity and we dont get nothing back and to delegate it we need an aprove of stake holders here some whales are from actifity community and not from sports talk community
I personally don't like using Discord, Telegram or even Matrix because we have on-chain communication that works even better. I'm still up for making any changes to improve them though. I just haven't heard anything beyond people saying there's no activity which I've tried to address by linking them across multiple centralized networks to make it easier to join.
We get the inclusion of the SPORTS token into an app that is distributing tokens to more users than any other app in our ecosystem. I think that's a pretty spectactular deal for us to be honest.
That being said if Actifit is just leeching from our ecosystem then it wouldn't take long for the market conditions to change that non-Actifit holding stakeholders would be the ones building stake to lead the community away from Actifit. If that partnership isn't also breeding SPORTS stakeholders then proposal conditions would change in time allowing us to remove the delegation.
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I don't think you're a problem at all @cryptosimplify. You see an issue and you're trying to provide solutions to get it fixed. I think that's admirable. I just think you are just targetting the wrong problem.
We've tried lots of things in the tribe. As I've tried to point out we've even tried to implement a lot of the ideas you presented in the past because they're good ideas.
I don't think we've had a shortage of ideas in SPORTS. I think we've had a shortage of people that can execute them in development. That's where I think you could take us to a whole different level. You have development skills that most of us don't have. We haven't had a need for a new key holder because I only do what the tribe asks anyways. What I think we need is someone who can build things the tribe needs. I think that's the problem that needs targetting.
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I can understand the lack of development skill but there other ideas that is not necessary be a dev to implement.
But we cannot do it because of DAO since our community it is owner by Actifity users
I don't think there are many things that Actifit users would block to be honest. The only ones I could see are ones that limit them in some way like removing their delegation from @sports-gov and thus ending the partnership. I can't imagine that many of their backers would be excited for that. Otherwise what would we want to do that they wouldn't support if it makes the tribe better?
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It's certainly above board in that I would be willing to make the transfer of the keys for all community accounts if the community voted a governance proposal that told me to do that. I just don't see the value in doing so. I feel like we've already dealt with key management in the last governance proposal and that we have more important things to focus on than playing hot potato with who's in charge. I'd rather keep things where no one is in charge and stakeholders can vote as needed.
If I were to transfer them over what I'd prefer to see is them moved to a witnesss based multisig system. Each witness would run a node with governance built into the code. The code should allow SPORTS stakeholders to vote for witnesses with onchain json. If witness consensus changes and a witness is un-elected and a new witness is elected then the node software should automatically create a multisig transaction changing the signers that the other witnesses would sign thus changing the keys to match the newly elected witnesses. If a witness didn't sign on so many consecutive blocks then they would automatically be pulled from consensus until they started signing blocks again.
I think that's the real place we'd need to go to but I don't have the development skills to create that. If we did have that built we could even build in all the functionality of the ARCHON system without relying on another tribe to manage it.
What's even more exciting is with a system for witnesses like that it could be expanded into other witness groups that say were elected to serve as Oracles for other kinds of voting systems. This could lead to someone creating SPORTS gaming systems based on decentralized elected oracle witnesses. We could have sports gaming where people put SPORTS into an account controlled by a multisig of oracle witnesses and as they sign oracle information they pay out to anyone participating.
The problem isn't ideas, it's finding people who can implement ideas into executable code.
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I think they are working on that behind the scenes as far as the Hive side of things. From what I have heard anyway. I know that Hive Engine and Splinterlands already have their own nodes, but with some of the stuff DLUX (I think) is doing, it could be any community running their own nodes and having governance that way. I get there is a lot of background stuff that needs to happen to get us there. As you said, I think right now we have some other more pressing issues to deal with. At the very least I am glad people are finally starting to care a little more.
Yeah I'm interested in what's being built on the DLUX layer. I could see us making the move over at some point when you compare the feature roadmaps of Hive Engine / DLUX. Maybe I'm out of the HE dev loop but I haven't heard anything in the pipes for solutions like that on this side.
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Taskmaster has touched in some of it a couple of times. I think they are working from a couple of different angles between a couple of different teams.
We are not in favor of this proposal and think the community should be run by the community and not a small group.
https://sportstalksocial.com/@sportstalksocial/re-cryptosimplify-lckpo1lj
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Thanks for the response! I had some issues with how parts were written as well which is why I was hoping to be part of the discussion.
Actually, I am so surprised that this community is not much higher and alrger. Sports is such a big part of people's lives. I think it is a great initiative to get this community where it should belong :)
Our goal is to try to change things on our community in order to make possible we grow and put our value higher because was you said sports is an huge topic that is present every where.
Since I am a practically piggybacking on #sportstalk tag and not taking any active role in the community I will remain neutral/undecided on this initiative.
@ervin-lemark thank you for your comment.
It is understandable 😉
I give my full support to the proposal, this will be a huge step for the community and I am ready to see it flourish.
Thanks for the support, but not everyone sees this opportunity of changing as a good one.
More talk less work
Thanks for tagging me @cryptosimplify and for generating some ideas and discussion points. That kind of energy is very much needed within the Sportstalk community. Very happy to be involved in any discussions going forward about initiatives that can help us grow
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Please, did this proposal pass?
The proposal was not created since many people were against it.
Where do you think we start from at this point. I'm hopeful the community can be revived. There are a lot of potentials here.
We can start removing the delegation to Actifit because it is not good for SPORTS.
Use our assets to generate passive income to community in the begin to buy back and burn tokens
Use our assets to generate other tokens to be distribuied to token holders.
Start to think to create a new front end where we can enable ads to generate income
Have a police against SPORTS farmers
I think this can be the begin