If vaccinations are effective then the children in schools who are vaccinated should have nothing to fear from the children who are not vaccinated.
Actually, there is a huge problem here.
Bacteria and viruses mutate over time, if allowed to grow in a population, creating new strains that are no longer blocked by the vaccine. This leads to serious problems when an un-vaccinated population encounters a vaccinated one. The un-vaccinated population acts as a "reservoir", or breeding ground of the diseases, and eventually a new strain comes out and fucks up the vaccinated peoples day. This means that eventually the un-vaccinated children in schools could also be impacted by this, which is deemed an unacceptable risk.
Vaccinations are effective for the strains of virus/bacteria that they are vaccinating against. New strains will not be stopped, so it is highly irresponsible to create the conditions under which new strains can easily breed.
Furthermore, given that we are now having a serious crisis involving antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria emerging at rates never seen before, rendering antibiotics less effective, we cannot afford to add more risk to the equation.
This is a public health issue, not an individual rights issue. The government has a responsibility to do what is in the best interests for the public health of the population as a whole, and not really give a damn about individuals getting upset along the way.
@synapse This is issue of individual rights vs. the common good is a delicate matter and can be a slippery slope. If you child was genetically susceptible to severe reaction to a vaccine, would you put your child on the altar for the common good? Wouldn't you just demand more studies and better science to ensure safety for all or to be able to identify and protect those who might be injured. Most people who are mislabeled "anti-vaxers" by those who wish to silence them are not anti-vaccine, they want safe vaccines and real science to help protect BOTH individual children and society. The supreme court classifies vaccines as "unavoidably unsafe" not safe and effective as pharma has called them. The reason nearly every state in the country still has exemptions and that we have established a vaccine damage compensation fund is because vaccines are unavoidably unsafe and as such it is a violation of personal liberty to demand that any person submit themselves or their child to an unavoidably unsafe procedure.
I'd like an example where a (Western) government actually did what was in the best interest for the public (health). And are you suggesting forced vaccinations?
Perhaps where they required safe clean drinking water, or where they required companies to remove lead from paint and then outlaw it's use.
You mention safe, clean drinking water. Now I'm not sure about the rest of the world, but I believe in the US, here in Ireland and some other parts of Europe and some in Asia, they still add fluoride to the water supply. I don't call that looking out for the people...
Yes it is very prevalent all over the planet! For your reference there does not seem to be much Fluoride in Western Europe's water.
"As the following table shows, only 3% of the population in western Europe is currently consuming fluoridated water. Europe’s reasons for not fluoridating its water are explained here. Despite not fluoridating its water, tooth decay rates in these western European countries are no higher than in the few western countries (e.g., the United States) that fluoridate their water."
Taken from: http://fluoridealert.org/content/water_europe/
Danone the major producer of bottled water here in Indonesia produces water products that have Fluoride in them! =(
As usual thank you for your comment!
Upvoted! =)
Yes, you're right, Western Europe is not highly fluoridated. Unfortunately I live in Ireland and about 75% of Irish water has fluoride in it. Funny enough, this is one of the countries where tooth problems are actually at very high rates compared to the UK for instance. The people who don't have added fluoride, usually get their water from a spring or well. You can see the effects of it here too. The Irish fighting spirit is not here any more and whatever you say to them: you'll get a blank stare and the answer I always hear is: 'I know it's bad, but what can we do about it? Nothing.' That's proof here that fluoride does its job. We distil our water, but you still can't stop it completely since it's in the shower water too of course. That's why we're moving to an area with a private water scheme.
What a fantastically interesting comment! Thank you!
It is comments like this - informed and relevant - that make me proud to be here on Steemit.
In Australia there are filters which take out most of the fluoride but I believe they are hard to get... The last one I saw was at an Ayahuasca ceremony out in the bush.
I know many Irish people and have spent time in Ireland. I agree with you about the potential loss of the Irish spirit. I have a lot to say about the prevalence of Drugs in the society... they are clearly just another form of pharmacological suppression... I have so much to say about this and I know Steemit is currently the right platform to express these ideas!
On my farm in Australia I live off rain water harvesting. The same goes for where I live on Bali but here we have a HUGE filtration system which is probably much better than drinking water straight out of the tanks like I do in Oz. Still it tasted great and I was never sick once! ;-)
I applaud your proactivity in moving your family! I try to do the same but I travel a lot and sometimes I am unable to get access to clean/unadulterated drinking water...
My intention is to move to the slums in Jakarta soon and bring the liberation that Steemit affords to the least represented people in Indonesia...
Clean drinking water is one of the biggest issues for every human being on the planet ... without it we will die - vaccinated or not!
You rock! Thank you for your continued comments and engagement!
Stay tuned I have big plans...
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Thank you for such kind and uplifting words. I will definitely stay tuned and hope you do the same as I'm not done talking yet =) You rock too ;)
Removing lead stabilizers from paint is a good example mate! =)
I'm struggling to think of one.... If I can find one I will post it. ;-)
When I was younger we were taught the Food Pyramid when discussing nutrition at school. What a joke.
Hippocrates the father of Western medicine said: "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food". He did not mention the food pyramid. I look back on that education as sick joke today.
The problem is that large business dictates the decisions our Government makes. The Government is not making decisions and laws for the benefit of the population rather the benefit of their major donors.
Making it illegal for big business to lobby the Government would be a good start to combatting this problem but essentially we will not be liberated until we take back control of the issuance and distribution of money from the private bankers. I believe this is where all these problems stem from.
Thanks for your comment @misslasvegas! =)
Thank you for taking the time to write this comment - I appreciate it as I am continually learning! =)
I have a few points I wish to share with you:
Firstly I believe the Government is there to serve people, although sadly this does not seem to be the case. I believe it is inherently dangerous for our Government to make all our decisions for us and deny us our individual freedom of choice. That sounds like some dystopian nightmare where we behave like robots.
Secondly my own experiences assisting with corruption of Doctor's by one of the world's largest Pharmaceutical companies with the tacit participation of the Government shocked me to my core. It was very obvious how deep the corruption ran and how it had nothing to do with the welfare of patients or the Hippocratic oath. I detailed my experiences in this post which you may find interesting:
https://steemit.com/life/@jockey/my-partricipation-in-corruption-of-the-medical-industry
Finally your argument and a similar one made above by @john1981 seems to imply a closed community and appears to be negated by tourism. This got me thinking. Here is what I wrote above:
Australia's current population is 23.78 million people. Australia currently receives 8.46 million visitors a year. Australia does not require vaccinations to visit and does not vaccinate people on arrival (although it is evident that this would be profitable for the Pharmaceutical companies).
With a yearly influx of almost 30% of the population of potentially unvaccinated tourists I wonder how this impacts "herd immunity"? Does this negate "herd immunity" or should Australia vaccinate all visitors on arrival? It would devastate tourism if they insisted on this!
I would be most interested in hearing your opinion on the effect of an influx of around 30% of the population yearly who may or may not be vaccinated?
I wrote this post in the spirit of open discussion. I believe in open debate and I also believe freedom of choice is an inherent human right!
Once again thank you for your comment! =)