I enjoyed reading this. Thank-you!
So that you know, the Tetanus vaccine is not one given alone. It is given with Pertussis and Diptheria (DPT). A hospital will tell you that you are receiving just Tetanus, but that is not the case as the single vaccine is pretty much not available anymore.
The DPT vaccine has many horrible side-effects including death. See my article here:
https://steemit.com/vaccines/@canadian-coconut/save-a-life-from-whooping-cough-win-inadvertently-cause-10-deaths-from-all-causes-major-loss
Also, the truth about tetanus is not well known. If you have really cut yourself and been infected with tetanus, the vaccine can't save you after the fact. The hospital would need to get you some immunoglobulin, which they usually don't even have in stock as it is so rarely needed.
Read my article here:
https://steemit.com/vaccines/@canadian-coconut/truth-about-tetanus-infection-and-the-vaccine
I have 3 completely unvaccinated children.
I really like how you pointed out that unvaccinated children you know are very healthy and brilliant. I have had the same experience.
I admire that you give arguments to your point of view - even if I think you are just wrong.
What do you think about this: https://steemit.com/health/@theaustrianguy/the-big-psychological-dilemma-about-the-side-effects-of-vaccines - it's not a long read, i promise!
And what do you say to my answer I posted here?
And finally - what do you say to statistics like this:
Since I am going to be a doctor in a few months I am really curious. I want to understand people like you and help them as well. Of course I will recommend vaccines since I am deeply convicted that they help. But I also want to help kids whose parents don't want vaccines.
So I would really admire a honest answer to my questions! Of course I am open to questions myself! greets
Your graphic is very beautiful but it doesn't show much. Coming from a doctor I'd expect to see more than a graphic showing a correlation.
I totally expect people not to have the same rate of contagious diseases as 100 years ago. I don't know how different should the rate expected to be but I know they aren't supposed to be the same. Your graph doesn't prove anything.
I don't plan on going into the meat of this topic here but I plan on doing so in a post at some points. I'll love to have your comments when I do so.
You are right, this graphic of course just is a quick overview and not a prove to anything. And you are also right that vaccines are not the only reason for this massive declines. Of course the other parts of modern medicine and hygenie also play a big role.
Bur don't underestimate the part vaccines did. Let's just as an example look at pertussis. In the 1970s Japan temporarely stopped the use of the vaccines. Let's look what happened then.
Here are so scientific articles about it:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15889991
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7206322
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3508651
I don't think the general medical level or hygenie dropped from one year to another. So maybe it just was the vaccines ;)
Of course I will answer to an article on vaccines if I think I can give value to the discussion. I followed you to not miss it. Would be glad if you do the same, I will also post about this topic for sure.
Great I will be very interested to read your posts when they arrive!
Followed in anticipation! =)
I am looking forward to your post @teamsteem. I will also be interested to hear @theaustrianguy's responses! Upvoted! =)
Awesome. I gave a reply above that might interest you. I just thought I'd let you know.
I am glad that you are being so respectful and still want to work with unvaccinated children when you become a doctor.
In regards to a response to your own post about ... 'the-big-psychological-dilemma...'
I have written my own article here:
We Don't Vaccinate -- Could I Forgive Myself if my Child Became Injured or Died?
Please do take the time to listen to the interview. This mother's heart is breaking that she is the one who gave her child the vaccine that did so much damage.
I assure you that these stories are NOT rare.
WOW!
I read your post - I don't have time for the 11min interview right now though! I will listen to it tomorrow! Do you have any studies saying that autism is linked to the vaccine (Please don't bring up the revoked one from A. Wakefield ;))
Did you read my post? I think it aims exactly at the problem described in your post!
What would you do in the little story I narrated?
There are studies linking autism to vaccines. There are many such studies. I'm not sure why you are asking.
Here are some if you needed some or doubted there was any. I'm not saying the conclusions of them are correct and I know some are only epidemiological studies but there are what you ask.
22 Medical Studies That Show Vaccines Can Cause Autism
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170
http://omsj.org/reports/tomljenovic%202011.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19740540A
I am not saying that there is absolutely no link. There may be, I don't know for sure. But neither do the experts of those studies.
@the first link:
https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/17/another-weak-study-proves-vaccines-cause-autism/
https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/09/16/autism-causation-and-the-hepatitis-b-vaccine-no-link/
http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2013/05/mind-institute-no-difference-in.html
@ your second link, even the paper itsself says: "Clearly, we cannot draw definite conclusions regarding the link be- tween Al adjuvants and autism based on an ecological study such as the present one and hence the validity of our results remains to be con- firmed."
The third link is not even working...
Vaccine court ruled in favor of link between MMR vaccine and autism in case of a Harvard Medical Dr. who's child became autistic as a result of the vaccine. This Dr. was involved in neuroscience and his child was involved in a study of his where brain imaging was involved prior to the receipt of the vaccine. So he was in a position that most other parents aren't as he had the before and after images of her brain to prove the damage.
Is followed by:
I didn't post these studies to prove anything. You asked for some studies and I provided some.
I'm not sure had read what followed what you had quote but the rest of the quote clearly state the concern of the researchers.
The lead researcher published quite a lot of studies since then. Yeah sure I don't doubt you can't find counter studies to her and that's okay.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lucija_Tomljenovic/publications
Thank you for taking the time to post these studies! I will read them!
Upvoted and followed!
It's great to see more French on Steemit! =)
I did read your post, and where you are wrong is in thinking that vaccine injury is rare. That is incredibly wrong! I have talked to countless people and heard so many stories of serious injury of many kinds.
I have studied each common vaccine and the risk vs reward, and in each case the risk was greater than the reward under normal circumstances.
Please read this article of mine:
Did Your Doctor Give You the Required Vaccine Packet Insert?
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I have more to add to this ... but I am going out for a bit so will respond later.
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I'm glad that you mentioned Dr. Wakefield, as I just read your other comment about him on your own article.
I do have sources other than just Dr. Wakefield...
BUT you really must look at this article of mine. What you have heard about him is simply wrong. I'm sure that you haven't actually read the study that he published. That study never did claim that the MMR causes Autism.
Some parents of autistic people had come to him and his colleagues asking for a study of the gastrointestinal issues that their children had. He was an esteemed gastroenterologist who had published many papers on Chrohn's disease, etc.
Dr. Andrew Wakefield a VILLAIN or a HERO? Here's what the Mainstream Media has left out ...
How am I wrong about the rate? Do you have scientific statistics that prove me wrong?
Where are your studies about the risk/reward ratio?
And Dr. Wakefield got his license and his publication taken away for good reasons - of course in his personal interviews he says something different ;)
I know that you will not like this post of mine. But I have to look at science and not just personal opinions or a few cases. Otherwise I also would have to say that smoking is no risk for lung cancer - because there are many smokers who never get it ;)
Thank you for posting this! I will read it!
Upvoted! =)
Thank you so much for your comment @theaustrianguy! I appreciate all open and frank discussion. Based on your name I assume you are Austrian. I was born in Austria and I still have my red vaccination book. As you will shortly become a Doctor perhaps you can tell me how many vaccinations babies are given today in Austria. We can compare it to what I received. Perhaps these figures will add to this discussion. Cheers! =)
Thank you for your comment! It is really appreciated!
I think you will be interested in my experiences in corrupting Doctors for one of the world's largest Pharmaceutical companies with the tacit participation of the Government. The behaviour of the Doctors was truly reprehensible and went completely agains their Hippocratic oath. Here is the post:
https://steemit.com/life/@jockey/my-partricipation-in-corruption-of-the-medical-industry
What will you do when you are faced with a situation like this because I believe it will happen? What will you think of your fellow Doctors when you see them participating in corruption at the expense of their patients?
I am wary of statistics because I have seen corruption at work with Doctors, Big Pharma and the Government.
I did try my best to write my post objectively and tried to pose questions rather than facts. I am sorry if it seemed otherwise!
Cheers! =)
Thank you for the link - I can follow your argumentation and I am almost completely on your side on this topic. In the past "study holidays" like this surely were not uncommon. But a lot has changed, at least in my country.
The pharma companies are not allowed to offer such packages anymore. And doctors are not allowed to take them. A lot of doctors lay open of what they get from whom and who pays for their studys.
The only think which I don't agree on is the breaking of the Hippocratic oath. I am deeply convinced and know from many older doctors that they just saw those trips as something they could easily abuse. They knew that the studies presented were shit. And they didn't get influenced. They just abused this system and went on a cheap holiday. Their medical behavior did not change. It also would have made no sense to favour a company - all the companys would still pay you anyways, you did not need to use their medicine!
P.S.: Since it is illegal I would of course not attend such events. But money wouldn't change my medical behavior anyways.
I am very glad to hear that! From your posts I believe you have integrity and I respect that! =)
My observations of the medical corruption I described in my post were that if you did not sell enough of their products the Pharmaceutical company did not invite you.. there were plenty of other Doctor's to choose from.
Can you shed some light on the number of vaccinations a child gets before 1 year old in your country? Are vaccinations given on the day of birth?
Thanking you in advance for your input! =)
Upvoted! =)
Thank you, I am trying my best to help people - I am glad my posts made you feel that way too!
"there were plenty of other Doctor's to choose from."
From what I know today the doctor has the choice. If you are interested in a study weekend you can pretty much choose which company you let pay. But you can not take family or do fancy stuff like maledives. Hotel + the fees of the congress are allowed to a certain extend.
I did not forget your question (I think it was you) about Austria's vaccination plan. But I want to answer with a good post so please wait a few hours. I will not forget ;)
I just want to add something.
You recognise that corruption happened with the Doctors. My post also identifies that this corruption was also happening at a Governmental level.
The Doctor's received a free holiday and had their yearly study quota signed off on by the pharmaceutical company. There was no study just a marketing pitch from the pharmaceutical company. The vast majority of Doctors did not even attend any part of the "conference".
Where is the integrity in that?
As you should know the Hippocratic oath specifically forbids engaging in "corruption"!
If the corruption happened in the past I highly suspect it is still happening just in a slightly more subtle way.
What is clear is that there is a HUGE amount of money in vaccinations. Pharmaceutical companies are publicly listed and their stated goal is to improve dividends for their shareholders. This is clearly an incentive to falsify or suppress information.
If it was illegal for companies to spend money lobbying the Government then perhaps we would see a change but as long as companies can throw money at the Government there will always be corruption.
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I think that many companies tried to corrupt doctors. But I think most often they just took the offers but did not change their medical behavior due to that. I think they just abused the system which offered them free stuff. This is just my personal opinion.
The study week you attend also kinda is an extreme. Most study meetings don't take place in typical holiday areas. Rather in big citys with a good infrastructure. So maybe the doctors you witnessed are not very representativ.
Take vaccines as an example. I know a lot of doctors and grew up with many kids whos parents were doctors. They all got vaccinated. Do you think those parents would willingly harm their kids?
Some may love money. But I dont't think any loved money more than their own blood.
And I also have not seen any serious side-effects in all of those kids.
With my knowledge up to date I also would vaccine my own kids!
Thank you for your response! My own experience was that this was not just a take the holiday and run... My understanding that the free holiday and signing off on yearly study was awarded to Doctors who had met targets! The holiday on the island was a yearly event! These were my personal experiences! =)
I also have 3 unvaccinated children and they are the brightest little guys that I know.
Great I am so pleased! =)
Thank you very much for taking the time to write such a detailed comment! I appreciate it a lot! I will read your posts with interest! =)
Since your kids are completely unvaccinated please read this atricle and reconsider your decision.
https://www.google.com/amp/scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/03/17/one-more-time-vaccine-refusal-endangers-everyone-not-just-the-unvaccinated/amp/
There are dangers to your kids and others.
Thank you for you comment however I do not have children. This post was about my beautiful nieces. I will however read your link. I appreciate your comments and all discussion on this topic. I have spent a lifetime travelling the world, living across all spectrums and my personal experience does not gel with the narrative of the pharmaceutical industry. I study continuously and from what I have learnt if I did have children I would not vaccinate them. =)
I hope the learning continues on both end and i hope you reconsider vaccines when and if you do have children.
Thank you! I am always interested in learning.
The more I learn about vaccines combined with my own experiences in medical corruption are leading me away from vaccination if I ever have children. However I tried to write my post without extreme bias I just wanted to pose some questions!
Cheers =)
My response is that I'm not going to Light My Child on Fire because you think that it will keep your child warm. NO WAY!
https://steemit.com/vaccines/@canadian-coconut/the-greater-good-light-my-child-on-fire-to-keep-yours-warm
Two things to clarify.
I don't live near you so a direct herd protection does not apply for me directly, but it does for your friends and family.
Second, the other parents and kids around you are already vaccinated and they are not "on fire" just to keep your kids safe. Herd amunity is real. This recently happened in my country.
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/05/03/526595475/understanding-the-history-behind-communities-vaccine-fears
There have been more cases of measles this year in this community than the rest of the US in 10 years. The reason it is not as big of a problem as it could be is becuase the vast majority are vaccinated. Of course its your choice, but just make it wisely.
It doesn't seem like you have read any of the links in my original comment or the last one. I have spent hours upon hours researching and writing those articles, and I'm not going to type it all out here in these comments for you.
I did look at your link, and it said that I had to vaccinate in order to protect other children. That is what I was responding to when I said that I won't light my child on fire to protect other children.
If you had read my last link, you would see that all vaccines comes with a known long list of possible dangerous side affects. Not lighting my child on fire, means that I'm not going to risk my child's health for anybody else.
I have no fear of measles. I had measles and everybody around me had measles when I was a child, and I knew nobody who was injured from measles.
On the other hand, I know PLENTY of children who have been injured by vaccines. I've spoken to lots and lots of people (real life and online) and when you start asking people for their stories, and they feel safe around you, the stories of vaccine injury will POUR out of them.
My own good friend was hospitalized for months and almost died from her own measles (MMR) vaccine at age of 5. After that experience, her mom no longer vaccinated her, and now she has not vaccinated her own 3 children.
Most people do not make the decision to not vaccinate lightly -- they spend hours upon hours and weeks, months and years of research.
A great comment about having measles! I had chicken-pox when I was younger and I enjoyed having a few days off school! LOL! I wouldn't want to deny other children the chance to stay home for a few days! =)
Upvoted! =)
With all due respect, and not being interested in starting a forever discussion on vaccines, there is an explanation on why there are so many cases of measles in your country. Apparently last generation women were vaccinated, and hence the protection to the illness wore off in a some years. So when these women have children nowadays their children don't have the protection from their mothers milk in comparison to the mothers who had the illness (and hence lifelong protection).
You can see any conference by Immunologist Tetyana Obukhanych for example, where she shows actual data and graphs to show how vaccination on mild illnesses is a problem left for the next generation.
Again, my sole intention replying to your post is to inform you since you appear completely lost on the matter. Good luck
I have looked in Obukhanych, and her credentials are a bit lacking and 3 of her 8 papers published support using vaccines. Your apeal to authority does not hold water well.
Yes breast milk is incredible for kids and it boost the immune system of the kids. Please breast feed, that helps. But your point of vaccines wearing off would only strengthens the need for the kids to have them. If you have one as a kid, and in 40 years it wears off, and you don't vaccinate you kids, you could potentially give it to them or vise versa.
I have been vaccinated against just about everything possible, military requirement. Never once have i or the hundreds of others had any issue with them. My children jave followed the schedule to the letter, and living in a very populated area, we have never seen one adverse response to one.
I am not uninformed on this matter, rather extremely informed. Best of luck to you too.
I have two unvaccinated children. They are NEVER sick. The vaccinated children they mix with are regularly sick. What does this tell you?
Congrats on being healthy. This does not tell us anything about vaccines. Perhaps you and the family have a genetic strength with reguards to your immune system. Maybe those other kids don't. Hard to say. But your children are not protected against poilo, diphtheria, hebitisis, measles, mumps, rubella, yellow fever, tetanus(do your kids ever get cuts), or TB. You are taking a risk with all these and more. How many of those other kids had an adverse reaction to the vaccine?
Thank you for your personal contribution to the discussion @samstonehill! =)
Thank you for contributing to the discussion! =)
I like that phrase .... it's applicable to more things than vaccines! Lets keep the children Cool!
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