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RE: Trump turns the table on the gun control nuts - Information War is Here.

in #guns7 years ago

teachers should be allowed to conceal carry guns

This is possibly one of the dumbest ideas ever. Sure, it might occasionally end up in a good guy with gun stops bad guy with gun scenario, but “accidents” are likely to kill even more kids.

Trump has got to know this is a non-starter among teachers. Remember after 9/11 when so many people suggested that pilots should carry guns? Pilots rose up and said no freaking way. Teachers will do the same. This idiotic proposal is going nowhere.

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Are you familiar with CCW holders accidentally killing people because I am not?

As Casper Weinberger used to say, it’s a known unknown.

There is no central tally of the effects, with states often barring release of concealed-carry data...

source: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/opinion/concealed-carrys-body-count.html

So where does the homicide data come from?

Often and always aren’t the same.

Meh. If something like this can happen with a police officer in a school, what are the odds that teachers with guns won’t lead to similar incidents multiplied?

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/02/06/3rd-grader-fires-gun-maplewood/

I know they aren't the same but where does the data come from?

Court records I would presume. Or maybe news stories like this one:
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2009/12/pharmacist_charged_in_officers.html

What accidents? You think a teacher that makes the decision to carry with intent to protect students is going to shoot a student on accident?

Last I checked airline pilots can carry a weapon if they choose to do so.

You think a teacher that makes the decision to carry with intent to protect students is going to shoot a student on accident?

Yes. There are more than two million teachers. You put two million guns into schools and I think that accidents are all but inevitable.

Last I checked airline pilots can carry a weapon if they choose to do so

No they can not. In fact, they will be arrested for doing so:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/co-pilot-caught-with-loaded-gun-arrested-tsa-says/

Yes. There are more than two million teachers. You put two million guns into schools and I think that accidents are all but inevitable.

Nice Strawman. The teachers who do not want to be armed will not be forced to carry a gun. Operative word, decision.

No they can not. In fact, they will be arrested for doing so

But it looks like they do allow armed guards on the plane, so pilots carrying is sort of a moot point.

Federal Air Marshalls are an exceptional case.

And please, you really think the teachers union is going to tolerate armed teachers? This proposal is going nowhere. DOA in Congress and DOA in schools.

The teachers who do not want to be armed will not be forced to carry a gun.

If some teachers start carrying, you can be pretty sure that those who don’t will start facing lawsuits from CC parents who are incensed that their little precious is in danger because of negligent teachers who are not CC. This is America, count on it.

Federal Air Marshalls are an exceptional case.

Lol, it's a trained dude carrying a gun. It's not that special at all.

And please, you really think the teachers union is going to tolerate armed teachers? This proposal is going nowhere. DOA in Congress and DOA in schools.

I wouldn't be so sure about it being DOA in congress.

If some teachers start carrying, you can be pretty sure that those who don’t will start facing lawsuits from CC parents who are incensed that their little precious is in danger because of negligent teachers who are not CC. This is America, count on it.

This doesn't even make sense.

Of course it makes sense. This is a litigious society.

Seriously, this goes nowhere in Congress. Maybe some committee holds hearings, then . . . crickets. Leadership types don’t generally advance doomed bills. All Democrats would oppose it. Some Republicans would oppose it (Rubio is just the tip of the iceberg). The Teachers Union would fight it tooth and nail.

Just not happening.

Trump just opened his mouth and said the first dumb thing that jumped into his brain. Anyone notice that members of Congress aren’t jumping out saying what a damn fine idea this is?

Make it mandatory.
The left loves making things mandatory!