Just had this discussion with my liberal coworker. Typical stuff you just said, so i changed up the rhetoric a bit. After it was all said and done I told him how bad guys will still have guns if we had all the things he said we should have in gun control, he agreed, then flat out said "but the republicans need to meet us halfway". I said, they have done that, now they want half of the other half liberals "left" then they will want half of that half, how much is enough? He said it's the only way to save lives. I said more cops (couldn't include civilians because i know where he would have taken the argument) will die when they are forced to take away guns that are deemed illegal just like the drug war? His response was outrageous, "cops die all the time it's their job" WHAT? why are liberals sounding so violent these days?
WOW! That is a pretty dark response. There has definitely been an increase of acceptance of using violence in the name of the progressive agenda.
I, personally, think the Republicans have gone too far already. I was having a conversation a few weeks ago with a gun control advocate about background checks being an infringement of the right to privacy and presumption of innocence. I agreed with him that they make things slightly more difficult on the "bad guys" trying to buy a gun, but they also make it difficult on those of us that have never committed a crime. It isn't fair that we're required to request permission from, and prove our innocence to, our government in order to purchase an item.
More innocent people are affected by these checks than criminals. The NICS is so ineffective that the gun control advocates don't even know it's there. In my opinion, background checks are a sacrifice of freedom for the illusion of safety.
You got that right. Why do people think that its ok to keep the innocent burdened to make governments job "easier". The left has gotten rid of some horrendous laws based on lies like that, but when "gun control" comes up they forget how to use reason?
I blame the progressive movement and how it has pushed classical liberalism out of the Democratic Party to replace it with socialist ideology. The way I see it, it is happening to conservatism in the Republican Party as well. I think more Republicans recognize it as "the establishment". The desire the Republican voters had to get away from that was obvious with the absolute failure of Jeb Bush in the primaries.
You can't have "common sense" anything legislation because common sense is a meaningless phrase. I can see people have different views but I wish they would stop calling them common sense.
I agree. My point was to imply that demanding "common sense legislation" based on misinformation and outright lies is an oxymoron. You're right, though. "Common sense" is relative and is not a good basis for legislation.
Just had this discussion with my liberal coworker. Typical stuff you just said, so i changed up the rhetoric a bit. After it was all said and done I told him how bad guys will still have guns if we had all the things he said we should have in gun control, he agreed, then flat out said "but the republicans need to meet us halfway". I said, they have done that, now they want half of the other half liberals "left" then they will want half of that half, how much is enough? He said it's the only way to save lives. I said more cops (couldn't include civilians because i know where he would have taken the argument) will die when they are forced to take away guns that are deemed illegal just like the drug war? His response was outrageous, "cops die all the time it's their job" WHAT? why are liberals sounding so violent these days?
WOW! That is a pretty dark response. There has definitely been an increase of acceptance of using violence in the name of the progressive agenda.
I, personally, think the Republicans have gone too far already. I was having a conversation a few weeks ago with a gun control advocate about background checks being an infringement of the right to privacy and presumption of innocence. I agreed with him that they make things slightly more difficult on the "bad guys" trying to buy a gun, but they also make it difficult on those of us that have never committed a crime. It isn't fair that we're required to request permission from, and prove our innocence to, our government in order to purchase an item.
More innocent people are affected by these checks than criminals. The NICS is so ineffective that the gun control advocates don't even know it's there. In my opinion, background checks are a sacrifice of freedom for the illusion of safety.
You got that right. Why do people think that its ok to keep the innocent burdened to make governments job "easier". The left has gotten rid of some horrendous laws based on lies like that, but when "gun control" comes up they forget how to use reason?
I blame the progressive movement and how it has pushed classical liberalism out of the Democratic Party to replace it with socialist ideology. The way I see it, it is happening to conservatism in the Republican Party as well. I think more Republicans recognize it as "the establishment". The desire the Republican voters had to get away from that was obvious with the absolute failure of Jeb Bush in the primaries.
Nice article. I just wrote a couple you might like:
"Texans with gun permits are less likely to commit murder...than Canadians."
https://steemit.com/second/@adampeters/texans-with-gun-permits-are-less-likely-to-commit-murder-than-canadians
"Think nobody needs an AR-15? Let’s fix that"
https://steemit.com/security/@adampeters/think-nobody-needs-an-ar-15-let-s-fix-that
You can't have "common sense" anything legislation because common sense is a meaningless phrase. I can see people have different views but I wish they would stop calling them common sense.
I agree. My point was to imply that demanding "common sense legislation" based on misinformation and outright lies is an oxymoron. You're right, though. "Common sense" is relative and is not a good basis for legislation.
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