I belong to a culture of people who had no formal government for thousands of continuous years and yet managed to prosper and thrive. Just look at the wiki entry on Coast Salish people. There is no word for government in our sacred language. No word or even concept for tax. And yet one of the cardinal rules of the community was that everybody was taken care of and nobody would be hungry or go without clothing or shelter... no matter what -- A Siem (or high honored person) was the first to eat and the last to starve. So I respect immensely that you are trying to build a new culture where such constraints on freedom won't be happening. I am just very lacking in hope that it will happen. I watched a movie last night that seems to indicate where things are going "The Circle". In it, we are moving towards a system of voluntary total surveillance and total control. If we can't get people to give up smart-phones where the govt and it's organs can spy on you continuously, what hope is there for the kinds of reforms that freedom lovers would wish for? It just makes me unbearably depressed.
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Excellent comment ! Thank You for the reminder !
Also just watched the Circle ... pretty much made me sick, but thats where were at now ...
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OMG -- wasn't that movie THE WORST???? It really creeped me out. I thought it was going to be a cautionary tale... otherwise I would have bailed and not watched... but it was just straight-up propaganda for the Surveillance state!
agreed. to be honest I stopped watching at least 3 times .. i'm 56, i saw this coming so many years ago ... I read Orwell's 84 when I was 14, changed my life ... as a matter of fact I'm listening to Robert Heinlein audiobook .. Like me he damn sure is anti statist ... been reading him since about 10. Thanks for the comment btw ..just got back on steemit. Good Luck ! /bow
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I was horrified but I kept thinking.... "she''s going to see the error of her ways... this is going to end well... this is all a big set up for her seeing how horrible she is becoming.... And I couldn't believe that even after her friend gets killed she is still a big fan of both the Surveillance State AND the LynchMob mentality that is being created by it... the only thing she cares about is that she''s the head of the lynchmob... Oh my word.. it made me quite ill. The first seriously challenging book I read was "Lord of the Flies" when I was in grade 2... I've always had a problem trusting crowds and mobs since then... The combination of total surveillance ALL the time and the e-lynchmobbing that is going on and is highlighted in that movie as a positive thing... just make me very afraid.
Read George Orwell 1984 ... I'm 56, I read that when I was 14 ... opened my eyes and changed my life .... Been into computers since i was 18, been an electronics since 21. .... so this movie just showed me what all the "Kids" are into, well, the SHEEP anyway .. I have been talking about this since I was very young ... it is ALL REAL and very scary INDEED and sickening !!!
HUGS well... you aren't alone. There are, I believe many people who feel like we do, but they are keeping their heads down, and not saying much... I can't live like that... but i know lots of people that have to for their job security and so on. :(
Wait, is The Circle a legit propaganda movie? I saw it, thought it was a satirical story... I pretty much just laughed at the peoples' sheep mentality through it all.
Anyways, I have hope for society -- in the long run. Short term, not so much. State's rise and fall, freedom (vice versa) with it. But those are States, society has come far. Slavery has been abolished, and peoples' acceptance of it as well. The mentality from the Viking age, that the strong should rule the weak is gone.
Society moves towards liberty.
I can see how you would see The circle as satire... these days, sometimes I have a very hard time telling the difference. I think it was supposed to be a movie about the benefits of all this hideous surveillance and how if you just have the right people in charge it's all wonderful... But you're right.. it was very confusing. It's almost as if there were 2-3 people who were in charge of the movie and who did not agree on the direction it should go. It was a confusing hot mess of a film if you ask me. I kept waiting for the main character (who was introduced to the audience as being very bright) was going to realize how awful the ideas she had were... I kept waiting for the lightbulb to go off, and for her to redeem herself. I thought when the black programmer dude spoke to her that they would eventually do something about the issue and try to turn things around. It was just plain weird.
I also really though the the main character would wake up. But after her friend was killed, in the last scene, she smiled at the damn drones! It was just straight up wired...
That is why it struck me as propaganda.... and not very good propaganda at that.