How could you just say "the numbers don't match" without display of numbers to compare... I say having grown up since Columbine when they blamed amongst videogames... Marilyn Manson and icp https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/columbine-whose-fault-is-it-19990624
Now nobody remembers goth or icp videogames are very popular now more than... yesterday... So I believe it's ignorant af to disregard them and the normies media as a highly probable common denominator cause for such abhorrent behavioral phenomenon
@moophatcow We get where you are coming from and yes back during Columbine they did blame everything under the sun and no it should not be disregarded. In my opinion yes video-games could very well contribute to this, but it is not the only factor.
How could they say X is to blame while only asking for my blind faith in your statement?
But lets look at the numbers. How many people play video games? How many people are murderers? How many people were murderers before video games existed? Yeah. I don't really need numbers for that.
FYI I was stating an opinion, just as you were. If we were actually having a debate I'd have to step away, cause I don't really care enough about this issue. But I think its a bit crazy that people keep getting shot in schools. I mean why do they need to do it in schools? Or is it that only the school shootings actually gather attention and it happens a lot in other places too.
Issues that I don't really care about. But I naively wish were different.
@alterna We (TBL is a team) understand what you mean. It would be so easy to place blame on video-games, but you are correct the numbers do not add up (the number of people that play video games verses how many go out and murder someone). Could it play a factor, most definitely but it is not the only cause.
I (not speaking on my partners behalf on this part) believe we have to start with the parents. See back in my day kids did not get time out, they got their butts busted and it worked. You did not see teenagers disrespecting adults. Somewhere along the line the government felt that whipping a child was "wrong" and now parents can go to jail for it... hence why we have this generation full of this.
Let me clarify. I've been beaten by a paternal figure. And I feel strongly against this. You can say spanking isn't the same thing. But frankly, can a kid really go to the state if they get spanked? It's not like they are assured that being seperated from their parents would be better for them.
No one spoke of it but I assure you it was there. You also have to make sure that the stats don't get skewed cause more people are coming out and talking about issues. I don't know whether it was more or less, but I've lived through some of it so I know its real.
Good point... back in the day problems where not talked about in public, so it may have very well been happening more back then. It sad that people have to deal with that... I am very sorry that you had to live through it. This does make me wonder if it is more or less now to be honest. Let me explain something, while I do think that parents should have the right to correct their children, I do not believe in abuse. There is a line that should not be crossed. When I say correct their children, I know growing up that yes my butt got spanked, but I also know that it was very rare and after I was 7 it did not happen again because I knew it could so I did not push my luck so to speak. Nobody should have to live with abuse.
They were blaming all sorts of things including ICP I was pointing at video games being a deep-seated problem causing all sorts of havoc but blaming the media does have it's merit due to the influence popular culture has on society and like why rap music usually glorifying drug use and criminality who's responsible for publication of the spell to possess the masses with demons where's the Lord to smite those who poison my brothers
Rap music doesn't glorify anything. It just shows the things that are common to so many people's lives.
And video games. Violent video games to be specific. Are only a result of tradition. Plus the violence is usually constrained to a certain area. Most people who enjoy "war-games" know exactly how crap real war can get, they'd be the first to fight against war. A game is enjoyable precisely because it is unrealistic and no one wants realistic games.
Videogames(in general this time) might be responsible for violence though. In an indirect manner. Often people play video games to get away from the real world. This at the same time sterilizes any thought they might have of acting against violence.
Video games are partly escapism. A balance is required.
Rap music doesnt or didn't glorify drug use slinging crack pimpin ghost riding with the whip? Video games are bad if they don't make mfkrz go ballistic they certainly keep children in on nice sunny days and that's also a tragedy... and also poopsock ≤ pee jar?
How could you just say "the numbers don't match" without display of numbers to compare... I say having grown up since Columbine when they blamed amongst videogames... Marilyn Manson and icp
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/columbine-whose-fault-is-it-19990624
Now nobody remembers goth or icp videogames are very popular now more than... yesterday... So I believe it's ignorant af to disregard them and the normies media as a highly probable common denominator cause for such abhorrent behavioral phenomenon
@moophatcow We get where you are coming from and yes back during Columbine they did blame everything under the sun and no it should not be disregarded. In my opinion yes video-games could very well contribute to this, but it is not the only factor.
How could they say X is to blame while only asking for my blind faith in your statement?
But lets look at the numbers. How many people play video games? How many people are murderers? How many people were murderers before video games existed? Yeah. I don't really need numbers for that.
FYI I was stating an opinion, just as you were. If we were actually having a debate I'd have to step away, cause I don't really care enough about this issue. But I think its a bit crazy that people keep getting shot in schools. I mean why do they need to do it in schools? Or is it that only the school shootings actually gather attention and it happens a lot in other places too.
Issues that I don't really care about. But I naively wish were different.
@alterna We (TBL is a team) understand what you mean. It would be so easy to place blame on video-games, but you are correct the numbers do not add up (the number of people that play video games verses how many go out and murder someone). Could it play a factor, most definitely but it is not the only cause.
I (not speaking on my partners behalf on this part) believe we have to start with the parents. See back in my day kids did not get time out, they got their butts busted and it worked. You did not see teenagers disrespecting adults. Somewhere along the line the government felt that whipping a child was "wrong" and now parents can go to jail for it... hence why we have this generation full of this.
Let me clarify. I've been beaten by a paternal figure. And I feel strongly against this. You can say spanking isn't the same thing. But frankly, can a kid really go to the state if they get spanked? It's not like they are assured that being seperated from their parents would be better for them.
Yes a child can be taken from you if you spank them... I know it sounds crazy but in some states the parents hands are honestly tied.
You also had more domestic violence :)
Do you think? Growing up I never really heard about domestic violence, but I do hear about it nowadays
No one spoke of it but I assure you it was there. You also have to make sure that the stats don't get skewed cause more people are coming out and talking about issues. I don't know whether it was more or less, but I've lived through some of it so I know its real.
Good point... back in the day problems where not talked about in public, so it may have very well been happening more back then. It sad that people have to deal with that... I am very sorry that you had to live through it. This does make me wonder if it is more or less now to be honest. Let me explain something, while I do think that parents should have the right to correct their children, I do not believe in abuse. There is a line that should not be crossed. When I say correct their children, I know growing up that yes my butt got spanked, but I also know that it was very rare and after I was 7 it did not happen again because I knew it could so I did not push my luck so to speak. Nobody should have to live with abuse.
BTW what's the link got to do with this? It actually solidifies my point. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/columbine-whose-fault-is-it-19990624
They were blaming all sorts of things including ICP I was pointing at video games being a deep-seated problem causing all sorts of havoc but blaming the media does have it's merit due to the influence popular culture has on society and like why rap music usually glorifying drug use and criminality who's responsible for publication of the spell to possess the masses with demons where's the Lord to smite those who poison my brothers
Rap music doesn't glorify anything. It just shows the things that are common to so many people's lives.
And video games. Violent video games to be specific. Are only a result of tradition. Plus the violence is usually constrained to a certain area. Most people who enjoy "war-games" know exactly how crap real war can get, they'd be the first to fight against war. A game is enjoyable precisely because it is unrealistic and no one wants realistic games.
Videogames(in general this time) might be responsible for violence though. In an indirect manner. Often people play video games to get away from the real world. This at the same time sterilizes any thought they might have of acting against violence.
Video games are partly escapism. A balance is required.
Rap music doesnt or didn't glorify drug use slinging crack pimpin ghost riding with the whip? Video games are bad if they don't make mfkrz go ballistic they certainly keep children in on nice sunny days and that's also a tragedy... and also poopsock ≤ pee jar?