Here is a little bit of history on what is going on and why I received all these flags from @adsactly. I have very high moral standards, I never vote on my comments, I write one post per day, sometimes even less. I could of made so much more here if I was a greedy person. Greed is my number one annoyance on this platform. You can see it every day, some hold it on a leash, some don't. One of those people who don't is one of my countrymen @velimir who works for @adsactly. @adsactly feeds him quite nicely for the last 5 months.
He gets from 400$ to 800$ every day (depending on the Steem price) and he is one of the post key holders of @adsactly account. He never powers up his rewards, he never declines rewards. He raised up more than 100k dollars just from SBD's. There are no signs of slowing down his money printing machine, therefore I decided to disagree on his rewards and started flagging him. Disagreement on rewards is one of the key elements of the whole flagging system on Steemit and it is perfectly legal to do it. His blogs are generic and outdated, and some of his backers need to ask themselves, are they really worth that much. Without @adsactly vote I think you all know the answer to that question.
So after I flagged a couple of his blogs that reduced his rewards by measly 5$, he used @adsactly vote to flag my post to 0. Let's just say there is a big difference on this scale of flags. 400-5 = 395$. I barely made a dent.
He retaliated by flagging my comments and one of my blogs that had 25$ in rewards. As you can see, that blog is now zero. This is a textbook revenge flagging that happened here. Makes zero sense, but here we are.
This comment actually made me continue to flag him more.
You don't want to have a problem with the ADSactly society. Consider this the last warning.
Last warning or what? Or else? Talking about some kind of god mentality.. Here is a clue @velimir, this is a community, we are free to do whatever if we think it is in the best interest of Steemit. Seeing a paycheck every day on the trending page is a no go. You need to get that payment through other means. They say I'm envious.. No fucking way, I'm not even bitching because of the flag he gave me and reduced my post to zero.
How will I proceed with all of this. I will continue to flag @velimir's posts until some change happens. Either he starts writing one post per day, or if he powers up the rewards on one of his blogs. I know he will not do it, that means I won. But we shall see.
Never a boring day on Steemit.
Everyone, please look at this guy. @moon32walker is powering down his account and yet bullying me into powering up by downvoting each of my posts for -5SBD (70SBD in total) and making open threats. He also made almost DOUBLE the money I ever did and is accusing me. I mean... I'm speechless.
His downvotes on your posts are not bullying. He is just using his stack the way he sees fit. About the open threats, can you give us more info on that? What threats did he make?
To continue to flag his ridiculously overvalued blog posts if he doesn't tone it down a bit, powers up from time to time, declines rewards, or posts one blog per day instead of two. He raised obscene amounts of money in a very short period of time because of his whale friend, just check his blogs, tell me is it normal for a guy with 10k steem power who never invested a dime in this platform to have those huge paychecks every day?
The bottom line is, if you can call a 5$ flags on 400$ posts a threat then sure, it was a threat.
Why should you power down when you have 300 SBD's every day waiting to get sold? Depending on SBD price you take out 3000$ every day, 4000$ every day when SBD price was high. You are set for next 5 years already. This is my one power down after 6 months of staying powered up. My one power down is your 2 days of SBD rewards. Get a clue.
And again you try to make me look bad, you can't. You just end up looking like a.. I don't know...let the audience decide..
There are people who make ten times more than I do with 10 times less effort than I put in. And I don't mind that because I don't know their intentions and needs. I have nothing but love for every Steemian who makes money. That's why we work hard, in case you don't know.
Some people make second and third accounts to get rid of trolls like you. I didn't do this because I don't mind transparency. What you really hate is that people read and love my blog and that ADSactly society stands behind it. And I can understand this from your sorry perspective. Such is life.
You should be working on your income and raise your blog's quality instead of minding other people's income. And you call people names too often. Everyone who disagrees with your limited point of view is insulted off the bat.
Stay well and God Bless you.
Why should you care if you're a part of a corrupt organization that upvotes you with 250$ every day from minute 1. You need to learn some modesty, you actually believe you're that good. Text book delusions of grandeur you're showing here.
I said it before, I know why they are commenting, because it is on trending page every day, everyone can see them. That creates an illusion of success, but in it's essence it is just a one whale vote, I don't see the rest of them piling up. They know what's up.
Once again I said it before I'm quite satisfied with my work here and with my rewards, would you believe it, I actually find 20-30$ rewards quite satisfying.
I'm an atheist.
I disagree on the term "fascist".
@adsactly is just another obnoxious rewardrape.
I've gone through this with the guild, the trail and krnel. I've watched the kingscrown and and bernie dramas from the sidelines.
" You are just envious, we are working so hard, make better content yourself, we are so positive, lol "
I've pretty much given up.
I'm just staying for the $ and the experience and so should you.
I was worried about the "faschist" part, too, but then I thought about it. Especially the inflationary way it is used nowadays made me pause. But then I figured it to be quite accurate.
I looked up the (now changed) first comments by adsactly:
The whole logical procedure "We are many, we have power, therefore you are wrong" is a very dangerous ground. THX @moon32walker for pointing that out.
I was looking at adsactly in a curious way. Now I know, that I don't want to be part of this "society".
Omg I haven't even notice they edited that part out.
" You don't want to have a problem with the ADSactly society. Consider this the last warning."
There you go people, the cat is out of the bag.
Tnx for seeing things clear like I do, everything else is a noise they try to create and discredit me as a user.
That sentence was an overstatement and this is the only reason why we edited it. It does not comply with our worldview.
Well... succeeding only because I have put my head in the backside of a "society" and then bragging about how great and superior my mediocre content, is sounds to me as a quite strange worldview.
Personally I don't flag much, but I see the need for flags to be used as intended and not as offense (as you seem to see it... something you have to "protect" against).
Clearly this means, a member of your "society" can post any bullshit and will be "protected"... because you have power?! and because you are many?!
There are some "societies" out there acting in a similar way. I let you figure which ones.
The moral highground is a difficult thing.
Someone as powerful as you (and as many others around here) should just be able to shrug away such minor flags IF they are sure they got the moral highground OR change something about their behaviour, at least think about it if they are not sure about it.
Revenge killing of content is no good way to maintain the moral highground.
Of the above mentioned similar "societies" only a few follow this strategy and imho only the worst ones.
I know some of the members of your society and I see them as good people. I also know moonwalker personally, and I know that he is a good person.
Especially @velimir should know what it means to have or not to have 30 SBD in Croatia. Imho it's NOT the same to take away from one of the TOP earners here 5$ per post for the good of all ( !not incentivised by the steem blockchain ! ) AND taking away the full 100% reward of someone who actually cares.
I think YOU lost the moral highground, at least in my eyes.
Two of my blogs are flagged to 0 by @adsactly, and one more is flagged by @velimir. So yeah, the message they want to send is clear, if you flag them they will flag you back and reduce your posts to 0. At least now they are exposed.
Now they are manipulating the comments as you can see. What a bunch of lowlifes hiding behind huge amounts of steem power.
And I will not edit my comments like they did.
If you recognize that it was an overstatement then find the courage to apologize. Or, defend your words and motives to the end with readiness to accept all consequences. Otherwise, with your edits you are trying to destroy the evidence, to minimize the effects.
I used that word to get more eyes here. You know make a title that will attract viewers, if you remember all those tips "successful" bloggers gave us before.
I've seen it all of course, been here with you from day one. Same shit repeats non stop, you have to break from time to time to stay sane. I want to leave this platform with my head held high. All these money grabbers who think they are so positive and great are so insanely delusional. I needed to point that out.
I might of gone a little bit overboard, no regrets though. Got to show these oligarchs the error of their ways.
This is exactly what I don't like about Steemit. These people always vote for themselves and their best friends or whatever relationship they have and don't care about others. We, minnows, have @curie (and other similar curators) only to help us grow while these people are still filling their pockets with money and when someone shows up his disapproval, they will, of course, avenge. As if your 5$ made a difference in their reward ...
Every newcomer, who is at least a little worthwhile, is sweating blood here and trying to write the best posts he can and what he gets? Nothing. And then there are people with 60+ reputation whose upvote has enormous value and every one of their shitpost has a payout large as fuck meanwhile nobody reads our good posts... But of course, there are also some exceptions, who do something for the community :)
And I fully agree with your moral standard. Mine is the same. I don't upvote my comments. I hate it when someone does. And about greed... I think that this comment speaks for itself.
My posts, all original content, rarely get over $10 in rewards. Spammers with groupies get hundreds. This kind of problem is exactly what drives away newcomers and fuels distrust in crypto ventures.
I understand them...
And yes, despite this, some people are honest and are trying to get from bottom to the top by their efforts only. I want to be one of them. On the other hand, one encounters people like @purepinay, who has gained her glory and giant payout only and only buying bot upvotes. These people are taking us readers - all those blind sheep that are attracted by giant payouts. Someone should open their eyes :)
Well, fuck my reputation, I must write my own hate post...
As Steem Pope, I advise writing from a standpoint of principles rather than hatred.
And staying quiet solves nothing, we need to risk it and get a flag or two for the greater good sometimes. I'm happy to take the bullet here, means I'm doing something right.
I just talked to the admins of adsactly for an hour, with them reassuring me that they are good whales, then they flag this post as 'hate speech'...
Wow, just wow.
Good whales don't do this. Point a bad behaviour, get revenge flagged, and get flagged for hate speech. "Join adsactly today, we leverage you... "
That reminds me of communism
Nažalost @moon32walker ne mogu se sloziti s tobom, smatram da nema ništa lose u tome što @velimir radi. Taj sav novac ionako dolazi iz steempowera, kao i svima ostalimo. Adsactly zajednica ima pravo odluciti koliko ce kome dati isto kao što i ti biras kome ces dati upvote. To i jest esencija decentralizacije, sve je u rukama pojedinaca. Da si ovako nešto napisao za hrvatske tajkune koji se bogate na našim leđima, ja bih ti se naklonio.
Volio bih da smo barem ovdje složni i da se međusobno podržavamo.
Ništa osobno, samo iznosim svoje mišljenje.
Ne razumiš jednu stvar, @velimir dobiva placu da budemo na cisto. Ti blogovi nemaju realnu cijenu stvarnosti, njegov kit ga hrani svaki dan dva puta, unutar misec dana je izvuka 50 tisuca dolara na taj nacin. Ako to tebi izgleda normalno i pošteno sve u redu. Meni ne izgleda tako, meni izgleda nenormalno i pohlepno. Znaš da on može i jedan blog na dan napisat, i opet bi ima vece nagrade od svih nas zajedno. Nije mu dosta, on oce još, ka da misli da ovaj steemit nece opstati, a koliko godina steemanja ce još imati, ovo sve je tek pocetak..
Nemam ja ništa protiv međusobnog podržavanja, to ja zapravo i radim non stop i to je bit steemita, al kad je pohlepa jednog individualca u pitanju nema tu nikakve sloge. Sve pada u vodu i to je ono šta ja ne mogu podržat.
Razumijem tvoju zabrinutost, ali novac koji on dobiva ne izlazi iz džepova drugih, to je vrlo bitna stvar. Ako redatelj snimi dobar film i zaradi 100 000$ je li pohlepan ako odluci snimiti još jedan? Neka je velimirov grijeh svo zlo ovoga svijeta, bit ce nam dobro.
Tvoja želja da ispravis nepravdu je na mjestu i s te strane te razumijem, ali ovime ne postizes nista, bacas potencijalan novac u downvote. Imas vrijedan račun sa puno ulozenog truda i uspjeha iza sebe iskoristi ga konstruktivno.
Svaki rat na kraju završi sjedanjem za stol i dogovorom....
Izlazi zapravo, steem power od njegovog kita svima ostalima skida lagano sa nagrada. Steemit je posebna prica, usporedba sa filmom u ovom slucaju ne pomaže. Sve ce se smirit na kraju, to da, al bojim se da ce velimirt ostat velimir. I ne brinem se ja za svoj potencijalni gubitak, znam da je ovo igra na duge staze. Ovo ce sve zaboravit za tjedan dana, baš ka šta se je i svaka nesuglasica zaboravila u prošlosti.
Nov sam i ne bi se štel mešati radi odmazede koja bi me mogla dopasti, ali mislim da je riječ upravo o tome o "odmazdi" ne toliko o tome tko, kako i koliko okrene love kvalitetnijim ili boljim sadržajem.
Svakako osveta sa njegove strane, 2 bloga su mi završila na nuli, još jedan je flegan, al ne skroz do nule. Znaš koliko sam ja njemu umanjija nagrade? -5$ na njegove blogove koji imaju nagradu više od 350$. To ti je na steemitu uvik bila borba između dvi stvari, mucat i brinit se samo o sebi ili uletit u flag war. Probat pokušat ukazat na nepravilnosti i riskirati manje nagrade ili ignorirat sve i pustit nepravdu da se odvija dalje.
Dude, what's your problem? You don't even know him and you're saying he's greedy? Because he worked hard to get where he is now? And is still working for 16 hrs a day as steemit is his only job. He takes care of 5 other people and doesn't need that money for himself. Everyone can see his real name and you're hiding behind your username. You should be ashamed of yourself. Live and let others live.
If you do not understand what is going on here that just makes you dumb. Aren't you the one hiding also? Everything you said screams idiocy.
Hate to say this but you're obviously not a very clever guy. Of course I write behind my nick like most users here. I meant that you're attacking the honest working man with a real name in a safety of your nick. And you keep going on with your insults now calling me dumb and idiot. A real gentleman indeed. Thank you, Emanuelle Chammah
You chose to get involved here even though the issue has noting to do with you. You can't just drop in a heated discussion and expect to get praises. Tnx for your input though, it helped absolutely nobody.
Ok, so it is forbidden for steemit users to have their own thoughts and comments? Talking about fascists...tnx for helping others to see what kind of person you really are.
I apologize to you. I was angry at the time, you jumped in a heat of things without helping the case. If you don't want to get burned again maybe stop and think about the situation and then jump in. See the other point of view.
Revenge flagging is the behavior of the greedy.
Oh, that's unexpected, I mean the behavior of @velimir, it's pretty petty. I can't say that I fully agree with the statement about the quality of his posts, but in this case it is not the problem. I express my opinion about his posts voting for them, you likewise express your opinion by downvoting for them.
Voting is only a tool that allows you to say "Yes" or "No", it is a technical function in the context of Steemit platform. But unfortunately, the majority of users perceive and use the downvote from the point of view of emotions, like @velimir in this case.
As a result, we get what we get, what happened to you. last week I wrote a reply close to this topic:
But you did it, your principles are superior to mercantilist and it's great! But principles need not only to exercise but also to defend, and you are doing it right now. Take my double respect!
@velimir made a mistake because he used his superior force without dialogue with you, only as a warning and revenge, shot in the leg.
To you I have only one question: Did you shared with him your opinions about his posts personally, before you take this situation to the public?
Nothing against his voters, if they think he is good that's on them. I'm also not saying that he is completely shit, he is persistent. But persistent only because he knows the money is coming his way.
I wrote a couple of sarcastic comments on his blogs, probably not the best way to go about it, but I do think if more eyes see the problem the higher are the chances for that problem to be resolved.
I wanted to comment but I generally agree with all that @natord said in his comments, so I'll just upvote those
@natord Of course, he didn't. Never spoke to me. Just started flagging out of the blue. I spoke to few people who know him but without any results. We didn't do anything before he continued his silly flagging behaviour for three days. When you pick on others for no reason, you have to expect others will mind.
@velimir, thank you for your comment here, I always happy the presence of dialogue.
Well, we have a situation in which interpretation of the two sides is absolutely fair.
@moon32walker, I can't agree that @velimir should reduce his award because of anyone's requirements. If he gets a number of votes and profits, this does not mean that he does it unjustly. He took the time and effort to create his own "brand" here, as do many other users. This is the result of the features of the system, the result of how the platform works by itself. If you have no desire to make a profit, it does not mean that others will agree to reduce their appetite, especially if they invested in this business.
However, in this story there is one point which is wrong.
@moon32walker you have an absolute right to bring this issue for discussion, what you did.
@velimir you also have the same rights and can flagged any user here.
But somebody tell me: what the hell in this exchange of views is doing a third party that had no relationship to the process at the initial stage of its occurrence? I mean @adsactly.
I wouldn't pay attention to this situation, if you have exchanged flags only among yourselves. But the intervention of a third party, which initially supports one of the participants is wrong. It really destroys the system of flags.
@adsactly gets its influence thanks to the users who publish through this project their work. At least it looks so for the majority. And in this situation uses the power received from the user against a user in some personal purposes, without objective explanation.
Let's not fool ourselves here. He didn't get there organically like the rest of us did, he works for a whale and upvotes himself. With a help like that everyone can become a steemit star. And now after all that, after he became a "steemit star" he is bothered by my -5$ flags and decides to use the whale vote to flag me to 0. This is your friendly guy @velimir in short and his benevolent whale @adsactly.
Hahaha... the more I read all your sorry rant, the more I understand what you think you'll achieve. Your sorry perspective of envy and hate that you're trying to cover in unselfish motives is just pathetic. As you very well know the old Croatian saying: "A dog never barks because of the village." Hope you got some traffic to your blog by creating this show. :D
If I see the word envy one more time I will fucking explode. I hope everyone sees now what a cunt this guy is. I always knew it, now he is actually showing it.
Yeah, the Chinese say: "The truth hurts the most. That's how one recognizes it." Nice marketing skills, by the way! Well done! Oh, thank you for your insult, calling me a cunt. Interesting how you make your opinions of people you've never met in your life. We all here really appreciate that. :D
ADSactly society is very protective of each and every member. We believe in togetherness and cooperation on all levels. We are forthcoming and welcome everyone to join us and cooperate on projects. We do not like to see any of our members put in harm's way or picked upon without any reason. We flagged this post exclusively for calling us "fascists". We have extremely low tolerance for anything nazi or fascist related.
Yes, but 6 days ago you flagged his other post: https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@moon32walker/oops-bitcoin-did-it-again
without obvious reasons. that's why he called you fascist.
We flagged that post TODAY, after he flagged velimir 5 times and also attacked ADSactly main account what hurts all of our members directly.
Please do not edit your comments, you have written 18 hours ago. You ruin all cause-consequence connection in the dialogue, and makes comments of other users are irrelevant and not substantiated. It's a bad tone.
But he didn't flagged your posts, only @velimir. Why did you intervene? Did @velimir asked you?
Like me speaking to you would do anything. Would you reduce the payments for day or two, would you decline rewards? Would you power up your rewards? I would approach you with these questions. Would you comply?
But that's the thing - you never gave him a chance, the way I see it. Especially since your downvotes don't really dent the payout, they are mostly just unpleasant.
In my time on steemit I've learned that it's much easier to reach an understanding through chatting rather than mutual flagging. Hell, even hygiene and the bern reached some kind of agreement. So yeah. I think you should have approached him first.
I'm sure it was a very unpleasant feeling getting flagged by me after he raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from this platform in a very short amount of time.
And then he decides with all those hurty feelings to use a whale downvote to reduce my rewards to 0.
I don't live in the past, so what ifs don't concern me, I didn't feel a need for that then and I don't have it now. This is happening right now and he will need to adjust, or keep on going like nothing happened. I'm quite curious what would his answers be for those questions, as you can see he is strangely quiet.
Getting flagged for even a cent when you have a 200 SBD payout is unpleasant. Personally, if I was him? I'd just ignore it and not even bother flagging you back. I do not support revenge flagging.
You didn't feel the need to communicate your disagreement on his rewards in any other way aside from flagging. While this is a legitimate choice, in my opinion trying to TALK before shooting (or flagging) can be beneficial to all sides and prevent this sort of... unpleasantness.
As for why he is quiet in the thread: well, I would be too if someone called me a greedy fascist without ever exchanging a word with me. Hell, I'd call them something worse and go mind my own business. Especially if their downvotes can't really touch me.
Check my yesterday's blog. Check the flagged comments there and see for yourself what happened. There are some bad whales involved who play the part quite well.
Support your local dissenter!
Um, i think the truce is over,..
:sigh:
It was good while it lasted, I guess.
Boys will be boys, it's been bred/indocrinated into them by those that rule by force.
When a hammer is your only tool, everything starts to look like a nail,...
Uf ovo nije lijepa priča.
Baš me rastužilo. Meni je drago kad naši uspijevaju i pišu dobre postove, zapravo trudim se podržati sve iz Cro. Znam da i ti to radiš pa mi je još više žao čuti da se ovakve osvete i situacije događaju.
Jelda da nije.
This Works, good job👏👏👏
i think this whale wars is getting out of hand , it aint good for the paltform, we need some sort of normalcy cause it creates fear to be original or criticize some other persion, we need a way to control this flags, my two sense
Like a new season of "Game of
ThronesFlags". @berniesanders VS @haejin, you VS @adsactly. STEEM/SBD price growth provokes conflicts...My only goal here is to reduce the greed of certain individuals.
Greed always goes where money is. That is true :(
Hate speech. Flag.
Fascist behaviour. You actually don't get it.
Leave good people alone. There are serious problems on the platform and ADSactly is not one of them. You seem to be jealous of anyone who is making progress on this platform. Get a life.
Again you talk about envy. Put it in your thick skull that this was never about envy. I do pretty good with my trades and blogs on steemit, I have plenty. This is about the greed revolving around adsactly and velimir.
Problems on the platform? Jeez ya think?! First step is to know that you're a part of the problem. Get a life? Get a conscience, your sense of right or wrong is scrambled.
There is more than one reward pool rapist among us,...
One fight at the time
Uh, yeah,...
Especially when this amount of sp is being thrown about.
Wow
@Resteem
I am new here. I had so many high hopes for this platform. I have invited so many people to Steemit and I just joined myself. I pick up that there are emotions from peesonal issues reflected here. If you are 70 you are a whale right? So why the infighting? Set an example guys. I have all types of people leaving metube and coming here. Invest in working things out for the next whales five years from now. I'm still excited to be on Steemit despite not really seeing big money. I thought we were family here...
Hey @moon32walker. I understand that this may be in poor taste to post a link through a comment. But I am writing a series of posts about ADSactly, which I believe promotes ponzi schemes. You may be interested in this content.
https://steemit.com/adsactly/@drollguillotine/adsactly-1-trash-name-for-trash-content
I've seen your posts, they are good and are supporting my doubts about that society completely. I've had my share of bad blood with them as you can see on this post. It didn't help, nobody big cared enough to make a move, money is still flowing their way and they are clawing deep into this blockchain- people still want to join them without ever thinking it through just to get that whale vote.
I've built my account with my own work, going through all that just to get ruined by their flags just doesn't work for me, personally muting them was the best option. I just hope people are smart enough to see through their bullshit.