They are always real, which exactly means what I said. In some cultures there are three genders, in Western culture 70 years ago there were only male and female, now it is still a predominant understanding but there is also a visible search for other models. Is it really so hard to grasp?
Different cultures have different social constructs which is not limited to gender.
I think your confusing gender roles with actual gender.
your saying all social constructs are real, if that is the case then there is only male and female. the argument on why and how there are more genders then 2 is that gender is a social construct so it is not real. if social constructs are real then we only have 2 genders.
you have xx or xy chromosomes. you cant change that. you can change your appearance and the way you act but at most you will be a mutilated feminine male or a mutilated masculine female.
you can not change your gender only your gender role.
i will say gender is not a social construct right now but if the transtrenders get their way then the lack of gender we will end up with will be a social construct. does not make it real though.
I am not saying there is no social constructs, im saying just because you claim something is a social construct does not make it one no matter if you think it then makes it a lie or real.
besides calling gender a social construct do you have any way to support the claim that there is more then 2 genders? if not I rest my case, if you do i would love to look into it so maybe i can learn how i am wrong about it.
I think your confusing gender roles with actual gender.
I'm using the terms as most science does, i.e. what is anatomical characteristics is called sex (which you apparently mean by gender) and psychological and social ones are called gender.
the argument on why and how there are more genders then 2 is that gender is a social construct so it is not real. if social constructs are real then we only have 2 genders.
You're confusing real and material. Or so I think, your English is beyond comprehension here.
besides calling gender a social construct do you have any way to support the claim that there is more then 2 genders?
There's quite a load of anthropological literature about cultures where there are more than two genders.
I'm using the terms as most science does, i.e. what is anatomical characteristics is called sex (which you apparently mean by gender) and psychological and social ones are called gender.
ummm, again i think your confusing gender roles with actual gender. sex and gender are the same thing. science shows there are only two genders/sexes. "psychological and social" studies on gender roles is not based in science. if it is can you please provide links to factual based scientific data proving me wrong? gender roles is a social construct and is why we have masculine females and feminine men. it does not change their genders only their gender roles.
You're confusing real and material. Or so I think, your English is beyond comprehension here.
that's funny, it was very simple to read and understand. maby you have no come back so you have to attack spelling and gramer? how am i confusing "real and material". i am only talking about the real. the stuff that is not real is just that, not real. good try on the dodge of the points though.
There's quite a load of anthropological literature about cultures where there are more than two genders.
yep, you have no answer for it? that's great you can say their is literature out their to support your case but you have not provided any of this literature or given any reasons why im wrong. you simply said, yes there is the proof is out there somewhere. :/
so as i said in the last post.
"besides calling gender a social construct do you have any way to support the claim that there is more then 2 genders? if not I rest my case, if you do i would love to look into it so maybe i can learn how i am wrong about it."
ummm, again i think your confusing gender roles with actual gender. sex and gender are the same thing.
Dude, it's a definition, which means there can be no argument here. It's simply a way people chose to name some notions.
If you want to use other definitions, state them here.
"psychological and social" studies on gender roles is not based in science.
While I myself am often skeptical of social sciences, it's a fact, and a well documented one, that in numerous cultures there are genders (or in what appears to be your parlance, gender roles) beyond masculine and feminine.
the argument on why and how there are more genders then 2 is that gender is a social construct so it is not real. if social constructs are real then we only have 2 genders.
Your English is really beyond comprehension. What do you mean in this last sentence? That if gender social constructs are real then they must be the same as external sex characteristics? What do you mean by is a social construct so it is not real? How does it even follow?
i am only talking about the real.
What do you mean by real if social constructs are not?
yep, you have no answer for it? that's great you can say their is literature [...] you have not provided
Gender is essentially an anthropological notion so what would you exactly expect? Read that book, or if you want just some examples, well, start even here.
If it is only a "notion" and not based in fact, only what people believe, then it is not real.
If you don't take your theory and do some research and some experiments to prove your theory right or wrong its it still just a theory.
Saying something is real because of a theory that supports your idea is the same thing the therians do. Nothing based in facts for any of it but because someone said a theory that agrees with me it must be true. -smh-
Depends on social construct, i.e. culture. In some there are only male and female, in others there are other genders.
(Real does not necessarily mean biological or material.)
Oh, so social constructs are only real when they help your narrative but when they don't they are fake.
You need to choose if social constructs are real of fake, you cant say they are both.
They are always real, which exactly means what I said. In some cultures there are three genders, in Western culture 70 years ago there were only male and female, now it is still a predominant understanding but there is also a visible search for other models. Is it really so hard to grasp?
Different cultures have different social constructs which is not limited to gender.
I think your confusing gender roles with actual gender.
your saying all social constructs are real, if that is the case then there is only male and female. the argument on why and how there are more genders then 2 is that gender is a social construct so it is not real. if social constructs are real then we only have 2 genders.
you have xx or xy chromosomes. you cant change that. you can change your appearance and the way you act but at most you will be a mutilated feminine male or a mutilated masculine female.
you can not change your gender only your gender role.
i will say gender is not a social construct right now but if the transtrenders get their way then the lack of gender we will end up with will be a social construct. does not make it real though.
I am not saying there is no social constructs, im saying just because you claim something is a social construct does not make it one no matter if you think it then makes it a lie or real.
besides calling gender a social construct do you have any way to support the claim that there is more then 2 genders? if not I rest my case, if you do i would love to look into it so maybe i can learn how i am wrong about it.
I'm using the terms as most science does, i.e. what is anatomical characteristics is called sex (which you apparently mean by gender) and psychological and social ones are called gender.
You're confusing real and material. Or so I think, your English is beyond comprehension here.
There's quite a load of anthropological literature about cultures where there are more than two genders.
I'm using the terms as most science does, i.e. what is anatomical characteristics is called sex (which you apparently mean by gender) and psychological and social ones are called gender.ummm, again i think your confusing gender roles with actual gender. sex and gender are the same thing. science shows there are only two genders/sexes. "psychological and social" studies on gender roles is not based in science. if it is can you please provide links to factual based scientific data proving me wrong? gender roles is a social construct and is why we have masculine females and feminine men. it does not change their genders only their gender roles.
You're confusing real and material. Or so I think, your English is beyond comprehension here.that's funny, it was very simple to read and understand. maby you have no come back so you have to attack spelling and gramer? how am i confusing "real and material". i am only talking about the real. the stuff that is not real is just that, not real. good try on the dodge of the points though.
There's quite a load of anthropological literature about cultures where there are more than two genders.yep, you have no answer for it? that's great you can say their is literature out their to support your case but you have not provided any of this literature or given any reasons why im wrong. you simply said, yes there is the proof is out there somewhere. :/
so as i said in the last post.
"besides calling gender a social construct do you have any way to support the claim that there is more then 2 genders? if not I rest my case, if you do i would love to look into it so maybe i can learn how i am wrong about it."
Dude, it's a definition, which means there can be no argument here. It's simply a way people chose to name some notions.
If you want to use other definitions, state them here.
While I myself am often skeptical of social sciences, it's a fact, and a well documented one, that in numerous cultures there are genders (or in what appears to be your parlance, gender roles) beyond masculine and feminine.
Your English is really beyond comprehension. What do you mean in this last sentence? That if gender social constructs are real then they must be the same as external sex characteristics? What do you mean by is a social construct so it is not real? How does it even follow?
What do you mean by real if social constructs are not?
Well, start here.
you provide me to a book about Anthropological Theory as your facts for why there are more then 2 genders? its a book on theory. -smh-
Gender is essentially an anthropological notion so what would you exactly expect? Read that book, or if you want just some examples, well, start even here.
If it is only a "notion" and not based in fact, only what people believe, then it is not real.
If you don't take your theory and do some research and some experiments to prove your theory right or wrong its it still just a theory.
Saying something is real because of a theory that supports your idea is the same thing the therians do. Nothing based in facts for any of it but because someone said a theory that agrees with me it must be true. -smh-