The title there likely has your mind racing into all kinds of dark places. Well this post will be a little dark as I am going to talk about some of my early preconceptions and how I am growing to believe I was wrong. I put far too much faith in the mental abilities of my fellow human beings at an early time. I thought that common sense would prevail. In other words, at the time I considered things like human sacrifice, satanism, etc as topics I was actually basing my opinions and conclusions on a far too optimistic view of my fellow humans.
As some of you know I was a metal head growing up. I was a metal head in a town full of cowboys who loved to come up to the long haired guy and talk crap. It was during the time when Geraldo Rivera was pushing the Beware Devil Worshippers type of documentaries that warned parents and people what to look for. It caused my mother to give me more than one side long glance. You see many of those warning signs for a Satanist I was smack in the middle of. I loved my heavy metal music, I had long hair, I drew symbols for band names on my notebooks, I had patches for bands on my jacket, and I was an outsider. What I wasn't was a drug user. I had plenty of opportunity and in fact my parents were alcoholics, and smoked marijuana. I did one month of trying things when I was around 16 and decided it was "not for me" and I haven't touched it since. Though I got called a druggy many times even though I was not. I haven't touched alcohol since that month long period unless you count the parts that are ingredients in the rare cold medicines I've had to take in my life, or that people cooked with.
I was the one that would walk down the sidewalk and happen to pass a Catholic Priest and he would turn his head away from me and stick his nose in the air as a sign of contempt. I was the one who got written up by a police officer for looking suspicious because I was walking down the sidewalk down town by businesses as I had done many times.
I grew to despise religion. I also did what I do with things I consider my enemy. I analyzed them and voraciously consumed information about them. I read any bible I could get my hands on. I read tons of new age books. I spoke to ANYONE who was willing to talk to me and that included priests if they would give me the time of day. I actually enjoyed the look of dismay that would enter their face when they realized all of their preconceived notions about me were false. I also was early in my life and I still enjoyed what I called a "mind fuck" for lack of better words. I got off on messing with people's minds. I grew out of that within about 5 years. It is not something I particularly enjoy at all in this stage of my life. I seek to clarify and transfer and receive ideas now. Back then I just enjoyed the mental jousting and messing with people.
Eventually my life would lead me to read Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible which I've written before had a compelling first and possibly second essay, and the rest was simply Enochian stuff mixed in with clear appeals to sell and make money. Or so I thought. I also read the the Necronomicon which I thought was quite a bit darker than the Satanic Bible. That's why when some people would cringe at seeing a Satanic Bible on a bookstore shelf when they were with me I'd say something like, "That is nothing. The Necronomicon puts that to shame, plus you kind of have to be a Christian before you can be a Satanist as they are opposites within the same religion. Someone just chooses the DARK SIDE."
I had a close friend who would claim to be a Satanist. I saw it as a power trip. It would give some intimidation power over other people. He also did get some of that "bad guy" feminine attraction that seems to happen. People like the taboo and that does not seem to stop with females. So yes, he had far more female companions than I did. Yet, I'd just chuckle and shake my head. I always saw it as a gimic for him, and I could see through it.
At that time I figured as far as the truly evil Human Sacrifices and things of that nature that only someone insane would actually engage in that, and I figured insane people could take any topic too far and be motivated by anything. So I considered it a minority that was being over hyped. The rest of the satanist I figured were either idiots or devious bastards like my friend Hans.
I would continue to carry these beliefs for a very long time. In fact, I'd say they are only recently starting to change.
The world as it is today is shattering some of my preconceptions. My preconceptions were built on the foundation that at their heart most people have a pretty good grasp of common sense, and when confronted with a good argument would be able to make a moral, and rational decision. It was due to this that I didn't really see the entire Human Sacrifice, and other things as an issue. I thought sure there would be some of it as there are with all bad things, but it mostly would be over hyped and given far more coverage and thus blow it out of proportion.
I believe now I was wrong.
I do not believe in any revealed/organized religions, but I do believe there is evil. I don't tie any religious values to that. For me evil comes in the form of FORCING your will upon another. That can be lesser evils of removing choice, to larger evils of assault, rape, murder, etc. Those are all degrees of force against another. Whether lesser or greater it is still evil.
What is Deism? - Only shared as it is closer to what I actually am if you are curious.
I have watched Antifa, I've watched feminist marches endorsing and supporting some of the most anti-feminist ideologies on the planet, I've watched common sense be exploded into little pieces, I've watched rational thought be tossed aside in favor of feelings and emotion, and the dreamy fairy tale scales have begun to fall from my eyes.
For me I needed a motive for why people would embrace things like Human Sacrifice, Pedophilia, etc. It didn't make much sense to me personally why a mass group of people would engage in such things. I also fell prey to my own mental appeals that others will fall prey to on similar or different topics. I thought if it was wide spread and pervasive that people would not be able to conceal it and we would know about it.
I know of things like Bohemian Grove, Moloch, and many other things. Yet they did not alter my mental narrative. To me they were outliers they were possible exceptions, but exceptions do not define the norm.
Until they came after Ben Swann. That was the stone that began the collapse of my ancient mental barrier, the stone that when pulled began to crumble that foundation of some of my preconceived beliefs.
For those that may not have read my numerous posts on Ben Swann. He is perhaps my favorite journalist. He just presented information and told people to make up their own mind. He tried to keep bias and opinion out of it. He would touch upon many controversial subjects, and he'd even get respected enough that he was permitted to interview Obama once while Obama was president. In January he did a Reality Check piece on Atlanta's CBS 46 about pizzagate. He didn't say it was real he just said there was enough compelling information that could be circumstantial but by the FBI's own manual on Pedophilia warranted at least an investigation. You see it was being called "fake" yet no investigation had actually been done. They said it was not real without even looking into it. Ben Swann in his just over 6 minute video suggested there at least should be an investigation to see if there was anything to it. He didn't say it was true or not true, just that it should be at least investigated. He was purged from the internet. His truthinmedia.com site, password locked, years of youtube, gone, twitter, gone, facebook, gone. A once pervasive, prolific, and brave journalist who challenged big pharma, and others was gone...
This made me sit back and look. I believe they refer to this as the Streisand Effect. What was so major about pizzagate that they would destroy Ben Swann over saying that it warranted an investigation? I'd learn he wasn't the only one. Prior to this I gave Pizzagate very little thought. After that I started paying attention.
Why didn't I give it much thought? The same reasons I gave you above. I figured a few people would be doing it, but it wouldn't be pervasive. If it were pervasive they would be easily caught.
This has shifted. I found what I was lacking. Motive. A motive that made sense and allowed me to begin constructing a new foundation for my worldview. Sadly this new worldview is much darker, and much less optimistic about the mental capabilities of my fellow humans.
You see we know about blackmail. We know that in the past the FBI (especially J. Edgar Hoover) would keep files and use blackmail material to influence people. This could be embezzlement, having an affair, etc. Those were considered way too scandalous and people would be "ruined" if they were exposed. Those things are shrug worthy today. An affair? They have TV series based on such topics, it is considered rather status quo by some. I don't endorse it, and it is what ended my first marriage (not due to my actions). My wife I married later and am with now and intend to remain with forever had similar experiences happen to her in her first marriage. We both despise adultery.
Yet, we apparently are not necessarily the status quo.
This means such topics offer very little leverage.
What would?
If you had a powerful mover and shaker group that people really want to be part of because they know they'll be set for life if they can be part of it, what might you be able to get them to do in order to join it?
If that thing was so horrible that the fact you had documentation of the event, would that keep their lips sealed? Would they willingly expose pedophilia? Some have, and were ridiculed as not credible. Were they credible, but just able to shut them up?
The allegations have gone beyond just simple pedophilia. There are hints of a global spanning ELITE that not only engage in pedophilia, but potentially everything from human sacrifice, to cannibalism as well.
Once you are beyond these doors and members of these groups are these EVENTS and evidence of your participation severe enough to keep you silent? I think for most people they might be.
Now let's consider the idea that this potentially has been occurring for some time. How far in the reaches of power will it's tendrils have spread? If you get into the IN CROWD and you become judges, CEOs, power attorneys, politicians, Senators, Congressmen, Presidents, etc. If an occasional whistle blower does step forward is damage control truly that difficult to handle?
Most of media is owned by six corporations. If the story is not given coverage that is step one. If someone leaks it then those six corporations can put their media conglomerates to work discrediting and destroying that persons credibility by whatever means necessary. Some of them could be killed, suicided, disappeared, etc.
It begins to seem plausible that something like this could be real, and could remain hidden. As you look deeper and deeper at the leaks over the decades, and at the actions it even starts to seem probable.
So why would Pizzagate receive the reaction it did? Why would it be used to completely obliterate the existence of some people? Especially people who had challenged huge entities before with very controversial or conspiratorial topics.
It appears it may be one of the big secrets that if revealed would implicate far too many powerful people. It would be the end of the game of Jinga. It would be the collapse of the house of cards.
I will part by saying I believe religion is irrelevant to most of these people. These malevolent activities transcend all religions. So if you must give them a label of Satanist, Luciferians, Set Worshippers, Hades Servants, Servants of Moloch, Beelzebubbians, or whatever you want to me those labels are irrelevant. The evil acts transcend all such labels and the labels themselves are redundant.
So what now?
Ben Swann is great. Definitely a top investigative journalist.
Agreed!
The fact that such a truly intelligent and objective journalist was blacklisted PROVES all of this.
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I will just leave this here... you should see it.
kinder. You don't need a translator to know what he's saying
It is true... :(
Gotta smoke up before you buy.
Gotta whack someone to get into a gang.
Ask hookers to go to a hotel room to take pictures for money to weed out the undercover police officers.
Basically, your price of admission is to voluntarily hand over something that can be used against you.
Interesting concept.
Exactly. Then raise that to the level of international operations run by the thinkers who brought us "Mutually Assured Destruction" as a stable system policy.
Very interesting topic. You cover so many interesting points. I will try to comment on few.
These topic everybody interprets through the prism of their believes and worldview.
Evil seent to be a built mechanism of our world. Main form of this evil seems to be in shape of oppression of stronger over weaker. However common sense good trumps it all the time.
Through out the history it took single charismatic passionate people to make real changes by winning peoples hearts and minds. People like MLK, Mahatma Ghandi were able to move people against oppression and real caused real changes.
Even religions at their core fought against oppression and made changes. It is people who come after end up changing core purpose of religions.
Lastly, moder form of human sacrifice is "collateral damage" in battles and wars, which seems to have become an acceptable norm.
You mentioned deism and that you don't adhere to any relgion. I didn't understand does that make you deist ?
I believe that FORCING other people is evil. It just has extremes.
I will sometimes say I am an atheist/deist. It seems a contradiction, but if you know why I say it then it actually is not. I explain that in the later half of this post.
Isn't Forcing an Oppression? To me the mean the same. I agree various levels and extremes of it.
Yea atheism and deism seems contradictory. Only form of their coexistance maybe I can think of denying God as creator of universe/nature and attribute universe/nature itself as God.
That aticle is old lol. I will read it later. Good talking.
IT seems contradictory until you read that older post. I explain it. No need to repeat a post here if I already explained it. :)
@dwinblood I read your athiest/deist post and now I have another folder in my bookmarks.
Yeah it seems a contradiction, but I think you get WHY I say it now. :)
But I already you you could think and reason for yourself. ;-)
A friend who has spent an unbelievable amount of time researching this issue had been telling me for years it was real and happening. I didn't want to believe it for the longest time because I was raised to believe people in their essence are good, but once I started paying attention, it became difficult to ignore/deny. Then came the pedopizza affair and the missing pieces fell into place.
On a lighter note, I saw a guy walking around in a shirt that said "Satan is my master" and, although I am not Christian, I yelled out "Jesus loves you anyway!" He looked like he thought I was going to attack him, it was hilarious.
What now... Business as usual. Everybody has already gone back to sleep. "It's just too horrible to be true," is the attitude. "Surely our leaders wouldn't do such things." There's only one thing you can do and it's personal. This life is a test, a test to determine where you go after this. Your spirit, lifeforce, soul, whatever you want to call it, is forever. I don't know if it starts with this life or we've been here before, or somewhere else and don't remember it... it doesn't matter ultimately. Just make sure you pass the test. That was pretty much Jesus' message- do the right thing- pass the test. Forget all the religious mumbo-jumbo, religions were created by people for money and power. That's the end of my sermon... go in peace, the Mass is over (those used to be my favorite words lol)
Exactly~*~
Never paid too much attention to this pizzagate story, too many scandals going on it's hard to keep track of all of them. You are very right saying that the elimination of a journalist talking about it is cause for concern.
To most of us the idea of a group of people engaging in pedophilia seems outlandish, but unfortunately there have been some prominent cases in recent years. The Jimmy Saville case in the UK. It is unbelievable how many important personalities were at least aware of his wrong-doings. Or the rampant pedophilia in the Catholic Church. The Vatican knew of these crimes and decided to cover up the scandals. If such things were possible in a church organization they are possible anywhere.
Thanks for posting the Geraldo Rivera link, I read about this in rock stars biographies. Will definitely watch later.
The truth is obvious to anyone who actually looks and thinks!
I'm not sure if this is comforting or unsettling for you @dwinblood but I had considered the exact same thing. The ritualistic aspects of these societies are pretty hokey, but the power that blackmail can wield makes it the perfect tool. Greed and power can't be counted upon to keep someone silent, fear of exposure and prison works really well though.
Maybe McCain will have a come to Jesus moment and confess his transgressions before his head explodes?
Stranger things have happened.
Yes, that has basically been my thought for awhile. I needed to reconcile motive, and how it could be kept secret. Once I did that it became plausible. Then watching for awhile after that and paying attention I believe it is even probable at this point.
That type of "pageantry" for lack of a better term, has a tendency to reinforce a sense of divine right to rule too. i.e the subjugation of lesser beings.
Pizza gate is a lot more real than not pizzagate. The truth of world wide sex rings, murder, coverups and blackmail is much more real than honorable people in power.
Unfortunately the TRUTH is very dark and all of this satanic shit does exist even if its just in a select few. The real problem is that these select few are in major POWER.
Please take a look at my latest entry. I simply can't understand how all this time we've been hearing about this pizzagate stuff no one had brought up the UFO connection.
There sure are evil acts, but I don't think seeing certain people as evil helps. Because it's very easy to end up just looking for the evil ones...it's easy to end up believing they are beyond redemption. If we just deem some people beyond recovery, even if they are, we might never be able to understand how they got there and use that knowledge for prevention.
Everything is Ass-backwards right? Crazy. You put a lot of work into this one for sure @dwinblood.
Excellent read. I enjoyed going through your journey of arriving to this conclusion. It's really hard to ignore once you take a look at it. There have been too many things covered up, too many whistleblowers that have come out over the years, and too much evidence that is piling up to not at least entertain the notion.
If Christianity were true, then it's not a religion. It just becomes fact at that point. To be unbiased, we could say this of any "religion". If it were true, it's not a religion. The modern idea of religion is something the religion of atheism cobbled together out of evolution.
So we have one religion, claiming it is not a religion, telling other things which may not be religions, that they are religions. Unless of course atheism is true, then it's just true, and is not a religion. The atheists by default grant themselves that their viewpoints are true, and exclude all other "religions" from that status.
This is called arrogance.
What's your point?
hahahahahaha whats your point!
Exactly. hahahaha
I really didn't know the point of his reply in relation to my post.
yea i know, hahaha was trying to support you by basically saying "duh"
Pretty sure and Atheist just doesn't want to fall victim to other peoples delusional and unfounded beliefs. Religion is the original crime syndicate, tame the masses and squeeze them for every cent you can get.
This was a very intriguing post! Thanks for sharing with everyone and good luck to you!
A compelling argument for pessimism :)
The faster we all realize we're all pieces of shit, the quicker we'll assign more value to striving to be 'good'. Thanks for the post!
Lots of really good insight! I really like that you took the time to explain your journey and the shifts in your beliefs over time. I find your perspective very well-balanced.
The way I see it is "darkness" is a non-intelligent force, the counter-force of "light." It will always "lose" to light because it is not actual, it is merely an absence. "Evil" is created by humans who choose to side with darkness. The only reason evil has any power is because humans give it power with their consciousness. However, as evil is built on darkness, it is still at a disadvantage in the face of light.
I find evil to be easy to define. Forcing others works for me. Yet I am a voluntaryist. :)
Thanks for this fairly in-depth post. Strange things happen to the human animal once it’s grown in power so much there’s no accountability to hold it back any longer...
All biological beings are inherently sick and the only cure I know about is gene-editing or annihilation.
you mean trolling, right? Trolling to me is debating from a point of view that you do not actually believe in, but you defend it just to provoke people :)
same, but I changed my mind on that. Christianity is a one of a kind effed up religion. Most other religions are quite fine though.
Is it any good? I just wanted to read it because it is referenced in Lovecraft and in "the book of evil".
Just wanted to get a few comments of my chest before I read the rest :D
Nope I never did it for point of view I didn't agree with. I just posed questions I knew if they truly thought about would befuddle their mind. This also predated the term TROLL by quite some time in relation to conversation.
It isn't ACTUALLY the one referenced by Lovecraft but it was clearly inspired by that. It is an interesting read and if treated more like a horror novel it is more interesting. If treated as an actual religion and something to practice it seems a waste of time and MONEY to me. You need to have some rather expensive components if I remember correctly. I haven't read it in 30 years. :)
Thank you! Ben Swann was also one of my favorites. I have wondered what happened to him but never looked to find out. It really is worth looking into. When the whole spirit cooking thing came up, I started to question magic. To me it was a question of what would someone get from doing something so nasty? There must be a payoff to doing something like this. It begs the question, why would anyone do these things. There has to be a payoff.
He is alive and still working at CBS 46. I saw a current news broadcast of him covering something local last week. Though he has not been active as we expect from Ben Swann.
WOW, thank you and good to know. I just happened to be in my old emails a few minutes ago and I saw a folder for old Ben Swann emails and when I looked they were all gone! Imagine that. I can't remember what was in there but I created it for a reason. i had something to store there. It is crazy to think something can be erased so well.
I am so glad to hear he is alive. They must have really done something to stop him. At least they left him with a way to support himself. I can imagine what they can do to someone, so i am glad they spared him. Too bad though and thanks for the update.
It was all designed a long time ago as blackmail. When you indoctrinate humans and make them do 'evil" things then they feel guilty about it for the rest of their life. When you have proof of that them are your puppets forever as if they stray form the doctrine they are RUINED!
Simple.
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Verygood post brother
Excellent read. I feel sad for you that you discovered that most of the humanity lacks the ability to think logically even when confronted with valid arguments.
I have to partially disagree with one thing. You said that "forcing someone is evil". Now for me it is bad. Even before I knew about ancap, I basically devoted my life to being free and show people what it means (not getting yourself forced to anything - if it is not a willingly forced matter...:D). But who am I to say that it is EVIL? When we have the premise that most people are not able to think logicaly, isn’t only way how to ensure survival of the humanity to force them into doing what is good for the system? My opinion is that I don’t care whether humanity died or strived after giving every single human an option to choose freely, for me it is morally the right way to do so - let the humanity handle its freedom, let the evolution work. If we ever want to have a coherent unit, the system as we know it now is not the way. But maybe I’m (we) wrong. Maybe the forcing is necessary. Evil (bad) is strictly subjective matter. I know you stated that it is your subjective opinion, all I’m trying to say that maybe it is not evil, even though there will hardly be an individual who would make me think that way.
Touching text nonetheless. Thanks for that.
Such systems are purely artificial mental constructs. They only exist because human minds conceived of them and imposed them upon others.
Also systems once they are based upon imposition and force can be used to force ultimately negative activities, especially true if the people under it do not use logic.
I agree.
This is why I defined it. I also defined it in a way that transcended religion and does not rely on a religious perspective. Bad works as well, but then that would need to be defined as well.
I totally agree with your counterargument against the "forcing system". All I was trying to say was that MAYBE it’s better. I was trying to act as a devil advocate. We do think alike - it is not my opinion. I just like to discuss stuff with people:)
Yeah, that is fine I appreciate that. Differing views are where I learn the most, and they also are what help me strengthen my own ideas, or destroy them if the ideas fall apart.
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I too am in disbelief about the pizzagate story. Fell off the radar very quickly and was replaced by Russian hacking stories. Cover-up. It stinks of bribes and blackmail. Which leads me to think that there is a lot of corruption and fear(evil) where money and power are concerned. We can't all be wrong in our thinking. Thanks for the post.🐓🐓
The only thing I have to say about pizza gate :
Greek were all pedophiles and Greek civilization is hailed to be one of the bests ever, not my opinion but def the opinion of the mainstream.
Having sex with someone who has not developed a body for that (~10 years and younger) that is a truly evil crime.
Having sex with a young person whose body is ready for sex, that is something completely different. For many, me included , it is still a moral no-go, but it shouldn't be a crime as bad as murder.
Why should young inexperienced people be forced to have sex with other inexperienced young people instead of older people who actually know what they are doing?
Well these days it also combines with human trafficing, human sacrifice/murder, and in some cases possibly cannibalism.
Please not the c-word... I have a sensible mind when it comes to surgery, parasites, i just dont want to think about it, Gives me the ugliest of shivers.
And I know Trump looks waaay younger then he did right after the election and I know the rumor about the ingredient for ethernal youth...
Still Pizzagate is for me like religion. Even though there is good evidence pizzagate is real, i choose to not believe in it. Detectives who can stomach such bs need to investigate or you, idm, I just don't want to be a part of it, because it grosses me out.
amazing :)