The distinct difference between humans who care what others think enough to be ethical and those who do not
In understanding ethics we first have to define it. So for this post I'm relying on the definition of ethical is to make a decision where you care about the outcome (measured in consequences) and so you seek to make the least bad choice based on your current understanding (model) of reality). The first point I will highlight is my current conclusion:
- We can distinguish between humans based on those who care and those who do not.
People who do not care can do anything unrestrained. This would be the bold psychopathic serial killers who do not care about anyone. This would be people who just don't care what other people think of their behavior in general and so they can do exactly whatever they feel like doing at any given moment. These people are actually quite rate but they do exist.
What does it mean to care?
What does it mean to care though? To care about what others think of your behavior is all it really takes to develop a system of ethics. If you care how anyone else in this world thinks of you (whether it be your parents, your children, your heroes, your love interests, your boss at work or students or clients) then from this care you can create priorities. Priorities are based on how you want those others to remember you, or think of you. This behavior behind being ethical is ultimately approval seeking.
The child seeks the approval of their parent because they love their parent. The parent seeks the approval of their child because they love their child. This enables ethics to develop based around managing expectations and seeking approval. A parent for example can prioritize (rank) consequences based on the impact it could have on how their children perceive of them. A child for example can prioritize (rank) consequences based on the impact it may have on the parents. A child would feel shame or guilty if they make a choice which disappoints (violates the expectations) of their parents because this dishonors them.
Why do people care?
People care simply because they have a desire to be loved. This desire to be loved is enough for any person to develop a sense of right and wrong based on the impact their actions could have on their "lovability". The concept of lovability is a placeholder concept because I don't have a more accurate one but basically speaking a person if they care what you think of them; they may try to impress you (get you to like them more) by adopting behaviors which you like. This in my opinion is approval seeking behavior but it is at the core of ethics.
The rightness and wrongness of an action can be measured in many ways but for people who desire to be loved then it will be based on consequences in relation to this desire. For example a person who wants to be loved by the world will adopt the behaviors which the person thinks the world views as correct at the time. This may or may not always lead to good consequences long term for the world but if we look at it as Allen has a preference to be loved (he prioritizes being loved), so Allen adopts behaviors which he thinks will make him easier to love and harder to hate. Evil behavior would go against Allen's self interest (his desire to be loved) and so Allen can never adopt evil behavior. In fact Allen might even adopt heroic good behavior to seek approval and love (to be perceived as the hero in the situation).
We could say Alen is selfish and this would be correct. We could say Allen is egotistical and this would be correct. We could say Allen is rational, and this could be correct if Allen's behavior creates consequences for himself which he prefers. Happiness for Allen requires being loved and if this is the case then Allen is required to do any behavior necessary to create the conditions for that outcome. This can be good for the world or bad, because if Allen is entirely rational then in theory Allen would be capable of killing millions or billions to remain loved in society. Even if society is evil, Allen would still seek social approval and be rational to do it.
Consequences ranked by impact on loveability
Suppose we mention Allen again and take a consequentialist perspective (consequence based ethics). Allen could in theory determine right from wrong decisions (decisions in his self interest) based only on how each decision is ranked according to impact on his loveability. This would make every decision by Allen a mathematical calculation which can be put on a chart or spreadsheet even. Every decision would be given a score (will this make it easier for others to love me or not?). The decisions which have clear impact of improving how others feel about Allen would quickly rise in priority over the decisions which could disrupt or harm how others feel about Allen.
Summary
- Allen does not need to have any emotions except for a desire to be loved. He does not need to feel any empathy or sympathy or compassion. Allen just needs to know that the people he seeks approval from do feel this way and so to be loved by these people he must adopt behaviors which respect these feelings.
- Allen does not need to believe in any God, deity, or moral absolutes.
- Allen doesn't need to love others (just has to desire to be loved by others).
- Allen doesn't need to be inherently virtuous but must be able to adopt the traits which make him easier to love and harder to hate.
The conclusion from all of this is because people seek approval and status (the rewards from being loved) they desire to be loved in the first place. Of course we could also reverse it and say because people desire to be loved they seek approval and status. This desire to be loved motivates in a rational way a person to prioritize decisions which have a positive impact on their ability to be loved. In this case consequences are all that matters (in relation to being loved) if being loved is the ultimate goal. The ends would justify the means if the person with a desire to be loved takes a rational approach (is there anything this person would not do to be loved?). Share your thoughts?
Care is closely related to social ties, therefore I think we as human beings in this world should care about each other, care about the environment and its contents. thus we will live in peace and prosperity.
Interesting post. Certainly made me think. I believe there is SELFISH, conditional love, and then there's SELFLESS, unconditional love.
The first only cares about what it gets in return. This is not real love.
The second is not tied to receiving anything in return. It exsists reguardless of any reward. While rare, this is the only form of real love.
Well said
Sometimes most actions and habit that people imbibe these days is as a result of a rule set by a society who decides what is wrong or what is right, but sometimes people do things which are ethically wrong, desperately because of love
Consequentialism in relation to desire may not necessarily be ethical.
Allen pursues profund love and with such may lead to considering the varying factors of people around him. So as far as they love what he does, then they love him too
GREAT???????? DEAR you are right
Well thank you
Is that all you are going to contribute?
Plus, why is your rep (10)?
Consequentialism says that the consequences of an action are all that matter when taking an ethical decision to act.
that's pretty cool to know.....
What if Allen is depriving himself from a healthy living because he wants to be loved by other people?
Consequentialism says that the consequences of an action are all that matter when taking an ethical decision to act.
It all depends on how much Allen desires (values) being loved by others.
Exactly..
I really don't think everyone cares because because they seek approval.
Some people care because it makes them feel good, maybe that's like seeking self approval though.
All in all I agree with many of your points
Well, care about what then? Only their own feelings? But not about other people's feelings.
You are absolutely right sir, people care because they want to feel loved, for example a kids care enough that his parents might be worried if he do something wrong if wmhe would surely Have a rethink before doing anything at all that is if he ever care. People who don't care can do anything and act on their own accord without much considering what other night think or how relative might behave. This is really educative I so much love it, I will be looking forward to read more from you.
A person with the desire to be loved would do irrational things to satisfy his /her desire to be loved. You see these type of people are what could be referred to as attention seekers, working their lives to please others this shouldn’t be mistaken for the fact that attention is worth more than riches but it is earned and not bought by seeking it. Irrational decisions follows desperate desires { IMO }
People do both rational and irrational things. A person who desires to be as rational as possible will try to avoid doing irrational things. If a person desires to be loved but approaches it in an irrational way then their behavior might not be getting them what they want.
Hmmm I totally agree with you.
"The way you do anything is the way you do everything."
Hello @dana-edwards
I believe that there should always be a distinction between building personal Image and also seeking Love (approval)
If you spend time making decisions that you believe will make people like you, then you are in for the Long run
Someone out there will always dislike you , due to one reason or the other. It is just one of those things that happen In Life.
The solution is to Map out the ideal things that appeal to you as right an do them.
Empathy also have a role to play here, sometimes when making decisions you also have to place yourself in the shoe of the other person.
@ogochukwu
If you had to make decisions ethically but you have no capacity for empathy how would you do it?
That will be hard but Ethics will have to rule supreme.
Enjoyed your Last post too.
I think caring is an attitude of calling to help the weak, the poor, in helping to overcome their economic difficulties. Concern is the people who can not stay silent to witness the suffering of others.
These people are rare precisely because while having no compunction acting unethically they are subject to other kinds consequences of their actions just like everyone else, including retribution by injured parties.
This is, in fact, why the emotions forming the basis of conscience evolved in the first place.
Very good post. Thanks for sharing. I have to agree with what @rjet said...
"I believe there is SELFISH, conditional love, and then there's SELFLESS, unconditional love.
The first only cares about what it gets in return. This is not real love.
The second is not tied to receiving anything in return. It exsists reguardless of any reward. While rare, this is the only form of real love."
I think that sums up my thoughts perfectly.
Who gets to determine what is and isn't real love? Are there experts on love? Do you imply that love requires irrational behavior or it's not real?
Good point. Everyone can have their own version of love. That said, every definition of love I've ever read says that pure love is selfless. People are free to interpret that any way they choose. I've just never heard anyone define pure love as selfish. This would seem to be a contradiction. However, we are all free to have our own definitions.
Which interpretation of love do you have which is selfless? All behavior is selfish according to most theories of neuroscience and psychology I have seen.
I don't believe love is a behavior. I believe we can behave different ways because we love, but love itself is more a noun. Do some people act selfishly because they love? Sure, but that's not love. That's them making a selfish choice because they love. I've never seen any study that states love itself is selfish.
There is an opinion that all people are divided into two types: Some love, and others allow themselves to love. Some people like everything, others just do not notice. This happens for many reasons. This is the spirituality of man, and the ability to communicate and even appearance. Of course, there are always exceptions to this rule, but in most cases it works...
I agree caring about each others is important, because we are one everyone different but we still are one and some forget this and hurt each others ...
excellent explanation!
For sure people should care of other people's feelings, at least about his beloved people's feelings
but sometimes it's better not to think of it too much because we can lose ourselves caring about others.
Don't you think so?
I know many people who take care about all the rest so much that they harm themselves. It's wrong, do you agree?
Egoism is bad, but altruism is bad sometimes as well.
We often care too much... We shouldn't care about others opinion, we are living our own life...
interesting post @dana-edwards
Are we really? Can you live your life without caring about the opinion of the others? What happens to people who do this?
Imo yes we really care too much. Probably not without the opinion of our beloved ones.
I personally know a friend who doesn’t give a damn about others opinions and he seems happy