Just my 2 Cents - we need to save our world, planet, america, everything
While I am usually not a political guy at all (and hate to write about politics) I still read and realize wrong stuff in my country and abroad. Not saying I have any solution or the recipe for a world of freedom and peace BUT i am sure that the US election is a pretty important one for all of us. Got inspired by @agmoore who wrote about this with his/her heart!
Not because of crypto world (which surrounds us here on Hive) but about real life things - if you US citizens vote Trump to become the next president for the land of freedom, the home of the brave - we all will suffer mid- and long-term. His claims "America First" shows enough - it might be obvious Trump will re-vitalize relationsip with Russia (not good for a peaceful world) and with China (he might think to support US economy but not working). He will again try to get US out of NATO, he will attack European Union to pay more for weapons as he thinks America is the key nation of the world.
Shall we not try to get a democratic party and president for the probably still most powerful country in the world?
I can not tell US citizens what and how to vote - but I can simply communicate that here is fear in the world if the election goes towards Trump. I am German, I am no communist, I am no Nazi, I am not a fan of our green party BUT I am sure we need to find a global get together - AND all these right-wing trends across the world are even more destroying this planet.
All the people that think hes so bad, dont realize that he already had 4 years where things were fine. Being proud of your own country isnt bad for anyone.
Being proud of your country is not bad indeed - a topic we handle the opposite sometimes in my home country - Trump was smart but did he really make the life better over there?
I think its complicated either way man. I do appreciate us being able to be civil about it. I look at what the democrats talk about, and it always comes back to racism. Their ideas are weak every time. Their notions dont come to fruition, they think they can save everyone while they blame everything on racism and climate change. I feel targeted by their rhetoric, seriously. My grandparents were immigrants who came here with nothing.
Everyone has a chance to succed in the U.S if they start small and keep it up. Most people get along. Trump is not great, i don't love him, but people support his way of handling business, his policies, we dont cry over his mean tweets, and hes way more funny than the Left We may not like his ego or his arrogance, but sometimes men act that way. I choose to have my own take on it, based on every speech that the democrats do. All the times they allow violence, all the criminal behavior they allow. I think some people deserve jail for their actions, but democrats look the other way most of the time....because of what... racism...yup. Thats always their answer, point the finger, and never any accountability.
Not all democrats are bad man, and people on the right arent always right either. I place myself firmly in the middle.
For the sake our our debate, ill leave what i said, but i honestly fear being open about how i feel sometimes. This mentality drives why people would rather have the orange man. If he was such a criminal, why hasnt he been placed in jail. Cuz hes actually more clean than the scumbags that call him a threat to democracy.
But for real man, whichever way you see it, ill honor it. I cant change anyone else.
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Self censorship is the most evil form of censorship! Never feel like you should censor things like this. It's so important that we have these discussions to get to a better place!
Really well said statement here dude. I agree with it all! There's so much crap that gets shoved down our throat and we are tired of it. We are tired of being called racist when we've grown up with the most diverse population this country likely has ever had. Almost everyone has friends of all races and ethnicities yet we are racist? The KKK is largely completely gone so it's a testament against this ridiculous agenda.
At the end of the day though - it's all about control. They easily control people by stoking fears and anger because it is FAR easier yo control people with that than it is anything else. A lot of people are realizing that we agree on a lot more than we thought we did and that we collectively have better chances than we do if we are bickering. That's why they are pushing so hard for censorship - they are currently losing the battle and they are terrified.
Really appreciate your support my bro. Im Chris from Chicago btw, i feel like ive known you on here for a while but never really talked too much.
Part of me wants to keep dragging this out, but we understand each other so we'll leave this madness behind, and keep chuggin forward, see ya on next posts!
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For me it was hard to speak up about such a controversial topic. For sure I expected to anger people. But staying silent wasn't an option.
He has normalized the brutal. This week he suggested Liz Cheney should have nine rifle barrels pointed at her face. Speaking about opponents with violent rhetoric was never part of our politics in this country. Now it is. This is a new, Trumpian phenomenon.
Thank you very much for publishing this.
I know you and I disagree on this one, likely quite strongly, but I did forget to mention - please feel free and even prefer to post whatever you want in the rant community especially topics like that! I want to foster discussion not division and we need to talk about it to do so! The only way we will come to adjust our opinions is to discuss topics the way we are supposed to, not just sit in our little echo chambers!
As for the Cheney thing - you do realize that the actual quote, from what I have seen, is that Cheney should go fight in the wars that she so strongly supports. Not looking at the very last few words of a quote is critical, the preceding statements tell a lot about the intention. Peoples opinions of war change quite a bit when they participate in them instead of making billions of dollars off them from the comfort of their armchair and home thousands of miles away.
How are you okay with the daughter of the former head of Halliburton, the company who conned the United States into getting into a war where they were guaranteed the logistics contract, where Cheney was the former head before he was Vice President and how his daughter is getting lucrative financial incentives to stay at war?
I am having a hard time finding how this is a bad statement. Money+war or not? Why is that a debate?
We don't agree, and I hate to argue, but if we don't talk, how will we learn and advance understanding? The community is great. Thank you for running it.
As for quote, this is it, exactly:
" She's a radical war hawk. Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her. OK? Let's see how she feels about it, you know when the guns are trained on her face."
In the past I have used the expression chicken hawk...not very polite. I have used it (Iraq War) in reference to the Cheneys. But, using that imagery, of shooting rifles in her face--that is violent and provocative. We have had Jan. 6. Two assassination attempts of Trump. A hammer attack on Pelosi's husband. Violence is in the air and Trump knows it. When he uses language like that, it is shouting fire in a crowded theater. Trump knows exactly what he is doing. It's not an accident that he uses violent rhetoric. It also is not a democratic impulse. It is the impulse of an autocrat.
That's what I believe. Besides the policies he advocates, with which I don't agree, he behaves like a bully. That's bad enough on the street, with every day people. But someone who may wield the power he may have in just a week... that's a terrifying prospect.
I know you disagree, but I find it hard to believe that you don't see his bullying, his intimidating behavior, his threats. And I can't believe that behavior is OK.
This is why I fear for the future. I know you don't. But there you go. We live in a country where, so far we can disagree and walk away still with respect for each other.
Thank you, again, for providing a forum for discussion. It is important.
I was passing by, I just wanted to quickly comment on this:
Most Trump supporters seem to acknowledge his troubling behavior but vary in how they perceive its significance. Some view his rhetoric as merely humorous or irrelevant, while others believe it raises awareness of controversial issues.
When you take it in isolation, it always sounds pretty awful. But if you follow him enough, and hear him also say things like 'I want everybody to stop dying', 'I want to end the wars', 'it's terrible what our people are suffering through', and various condemnations of criminals and general violence, you start to see a bigger picture of his big personality, that he is actually a proponent of peace, with a sharp tongue that speaks before his brain kicks in.
With that context I think most people understand he's not saying Cheney should be shot, but more what is a very common narrative historically among normal everyday people:
So I think it's perfectly valid to condemn this kind of bullying narrative, but I also think it's easy to see why so many people are willing to cut through it and get to the meat of what he's saying.
It is awful. This is not a textual analysis of Shakespeare. This is a politician. He's responsible for what comes out of his mouth. It's not art. It's not interpretive. It's not a consideration of his life's ouvre--it's what he says. If you think he's a nice guy who is misunderstood...well, then, that's what you believe.
He is an oaf and a bully. If he came to dinner at my house and talked like that about anyone, I would ask him to leave. Handing such a person the almost unlimited power of the presidency, based on the guess that he really doesn't mean it...really???
He had the power once before - and this time he is far more prepared with a team of great people instead of nasty insiders.
You and many others dislike how gruff he can be. I appreciate it because I know what I'm going to get. With the career politicians like Pelosi, Cheney and others you have zero clue what they are doing is genuine, and have a deep suspicion what they are doing is subterfuge and corrupt. I know what I get with trump, there's a far smaller chance he's hiding something.
For your other comment - I indeed find this to be such a critical time to have discussions and challenge each other respectfully on topics! We shouldn't go to a shouting match and end up with name calling. Sometimes that happens but there should be apologies afterwards to keep things civil.
One thing I do dislike about him and how this has shifted things is that people are a lot less respectful. There is little formality and politeness in politics BUT when you have a really evil group of media companies who repeat the same hateful comments like calling him a Nazi, all day every day without any question, discussion of the alternative or substance to the potential argument then this is what the end result is.
Because the media is SO corrupt and SO blatant with it all - Trump is a big middle finger to all of the dinosaurs behind it. They are losing their grip and power and it terrified them. That's why they are pushing so hard to try and make people like yourself hate him. They focus on the quite frankly childish components of him and what he says. Instead of the fact that he does things like accepts a soldiers body that came back from somewhere because Biden or Harris were too busy with stupid shit that wasn't as important as the dignity and respect of a family who lost their son, father and husband. Trump, even though he is not the current president, accepted the invitation to pay his respects for the family. You don't get ANY of that from the current group and it's sickening. There is absolutely no respect for dignity. Biden has been caught numerous times checking his watch at these events which is a gigantic slap in the face for the people who have sacrificed their lives so we can live beautiful lives, and have these important discussions.
Yes he says things that are ridiculous but the most important elements of him are his policies, his desire to make people in America stable, fed and paid for what they do. The current regime is so blatant with how they despise you and I, we are just tax cattle to them to be extorted and that's clear as day. Ohio, North Carolina and Maui are three massive examples of opportunities for these people to actually step up and care about their fellow Americans and they absolutely failed, and actually made it all worse in the process. It's appalling how little they care and they don't make it subtle either. Buttigieg is very open about his disdain for the common people, intentionally diverting funds away from these efforts.
It's a systemic problem and I do wonder how we will survive. We need to bridge these gaps they are wedging between us citizens because if we don't - we are cooked.
Edit - by the way I voted for Bernie in 2016 for similar reasons. He was an outsider that was embarrassing the political class and destroyed their foolish attempts at making him look bad. It’s unfortunate, we can’t prove it, but that he got the 3AM “shut up or your family is dead” call. One day it all changed and now he’s getting shit loads of money - it’s not a coincidence. I’m upset he gave in but he didn’t have the name or resources that Trump does.
I love your passion. And I believe essentially you and I want the same thing: a government that serves the people. We both don't want a warmongering government. I was one of the few people I knew who opposed the War in Iraq before we went. When everyone was applauding Shock and Awe, I was disgusted.
I voted for Bernie. I gave him money. I gave Tulsi money. I almost always give money to an outlier because I believe we need more voices in government. I can't understand Buttigieg's popularity. Hillary was obnoxious and arrogant. She was anointed by a corrupt party structure. I'm sure you felt the same way.
But you and I do not agree about Trump. I agree he speaks his mind. It is a loathsome mind. He is a disgusting man. That's my unfiltered opinion, not meant to offend you. But since we are being honest, I will be honest with you. I believe almost everything he says--not the good stuff, the vile stuff. The stuff where he threatens people, where he insults the disabled, where he disdains women. I don't hear these things from the press. I hear these things from his mouth.
I studied history and learned that the only reliable sources are first-person accounts, original sources. He is the original source. I listen to his words and find him profoundly offensive. I find he has no understanding of the Constitution. When he suggests parts of it be discarded, I believe he means that. He suggested that in his Jan 6 speech, and has suggested it since. I didn't hear this from a newscaster. I heard this from Trump.
And then there is the reproductive rights issue, not a big issue for you, but a giant issue for me, as a woman, as a mother, as a grandmother. When my granddaughter is expecting a child, if that time comes, she will not have access to medical care that I had when I was carrying my children, not if she lives in certain states. If she is having an emergency during pregnancy, doctors will be afraid to treat her if it might endanger the fetus, because they can be charged with murder. Women are dying in pregnancy because hospitals and doctors are afraid to treat them and injure the fetus. Trump did that.
Nobody likes abortion, but when Roe V. Wade was overturned--Trump's proud handiwork--he put the lives of women at risk. That's a big deal for me.
I'm sorry, but you and I will not agree politically, not about Trump. I think we have many of the same values, we simply do not see this man in the same way.
I can't wish you good luck tomorrow. I'm dreading the potential outcome, but whatever it is I will accept it. The sun will shine again, and I will do my best to make this country as honest and as good as it can be.
Love to hear some feedback from people who are allowed to vote in that country.
some wrote posts already - not sure they see that one here
same here :-)
I’ve added a few other comments here but it pretty much sums it up. I don’t love trump but what the fuck do we have to look forward to if Harris continues her abysmal excuse of an administration?
It’s really the clearest example of how easily people can be manipulated by 5th generation psychological warfare - where someone who wants to help the average person improve their lives is getting lots of hate. This also coming from the supposed party of everyone.
Can you point to a specific policy that you think is bad from trump? What is bad about the policy?
Ignore the personality - policy is what matters the most. If you have based your entire opinion off of a way he is portrayed then I really hope you reconsider and stop letting the media manipulate you into being emotional and turn over to being rational and analytical. Emotions are the easiest way to control people!
Debate is meant to be a healthy discussion. Don't treat others as if what they think is incorrect. Maybe actually try considering what all these other people are sincerely trying to say instead of outright rejecting anything but your view. You don't have to be condescending to people with different views than you. You sound angry.
Fair point - I was not the most eloquent with my disagreement! We certainly catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
It's also okay to be angry about something if we are able to manage it properly. A shouting match and name calling doesn't do well but adding some swears certainly doesn't mean it's a point that is lost. Quite the opposite, as some of the most intelligent people are adept at using vulgarity.
I certainly wasn't rejecting the view - it's nearly impossible to not know the playbook quite well. The media machine has been turned to 150% to try and convince people that Trump is a demon. This was just a reiteration of the media talking points sadly.
What I am trying to get folks to understand is we need to look past the childish “he called me a bad name!!!111 ☹️☹️☹️☹️“ crowd and get to the substance. What actions or policies do we have a problem with? What track record is an issue on actions taken? The superficial mean words thing is such a soft way to take the world. The world is a nasty ass place - if you can’t handle someone saying mean words about corrupt people then you are in for a rude awakening. The world is filled with manipulators pulling the emotional strings because they know how easy it is to control people with that.
I agree, it's okay to be angry (I imagined myself when I get similarly worked up in topics I feel strongly about). I will add though, that I still felt compelled to read all your comments! Simply because I still thought they were interesting and well worded.
I actually agree with a lot of it, too. I used to be subtly interested in politics before. I was even an election judge once. I didn't vote this year though. I don't think there is such thing as the lesser of two evils anymore. Both sides are evil. Or, at the very least, both running candidates along with their running mates. Can we blame them? (Yes.) More importantly can blame the last guy or the one before him and so on and so forth. What can anyone really do in 4 to 8 years to really help the United States of America at this point?
By the way, I have sort of been anxiously anticipating whether you were going to reply to my remark or not! Haha
Saw the comments, appreciate the discussion and happy to learn as non US citizen. Usually I say let the country elect what they want - with the US as still leading global power it is different as it influences global economy etc.
What I am afraid of is seeing him perform in a radical way - the Trump rail in Madision Square Garden was pretty hard and we would call him a right-wing guy after certain messages.
It is a total different way of politics the way he positions himself - i know the US needs a strong leader, strong messages but in the end he would (if successful) judged by the outcome within the US voters but also from other countries.
My country is heavily linked to the US and some of his plans are against us (tax, punitive tariffs) hence we take a close look. Not saying Harris is good - in the previous election against Hilary Clinton I saw two bad actors fighting against each other (in my view).
Policy is important but the representative of this even more as it is like in business / sales - people do not buy product, they buy people.
It is the constant case of "the lesser of two evils" sadly. I don't believe this to be the case this time.
We should always be focused on the policies - those are what actually gets things done. Germany should be begging for Trump to straighten out North America - we could send Germany and other European countries natural gas from canada and the US. Many European countries have destroyed themselves with this zealotry of "climate change" and ruined the energy grid. It's only gotten worse with the current group controlling the power. That's because they are a terribly weak administration. People don't respect the weak ones and they know they can push the boundaries without and recourse.
There are so many things I disagree with and I know that not all of them will change or get improved. Big ones for me is pushing this gender transition disgusting stuff on kids. It is the most appalling crime against the whole civilization and people should be in JAIL for permanently destroying a kids body. The current administration pushed that message so hard it's disgusting. The examples like that are what really pushes me away from them - they have such a potent disdain for American citizens and the people. They intentionally do things like refuse to help the poor people of Ohio after the chemical spill - where were the environmental and climate change zealots for that? It was one of the worst climate disasters in decades but absolute silence from those fake environmentalists. Maui, North Carolina are also clear examples of an administration that cares absolutely nothing for the people who are suffering.
The reason, I think, they make it so frequent and in your face to try and push people to hate him is they are truly scared because he represents real change at their level and they don't want that at all. Not enough change that I don't think there's other manipulators working on the other spectrum but enough change that they wont be able to get their policies in place. That's why I think they push so much messaging against him.
I despise that man. He lies constantly and only cares about himself. He's bad for America and the world. No politician is perfect, but he is sure to make many things worse. We just have to wait and see what happens.
I dislike the "lesser of two evils" we get put into so conveniently every time.
What do Americans have to look forward to with Harris? More millions of illegal immigrants? Higher prices of everything, from food, fuel to houses? More money funneled to other countries?
When he was president, Americans were in pretty decent shape. We could afford food, houses, leisure time.
There were NO new wars or conflicts. That one is very important.
I think the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is a serious thing and verging on a mental illness. I am not the biggest fan of his but comparing the two? I am going Trump every fucking day over more of the absolute destruction of the country that we are seeing now.
Harris had to study for TWO days before her Fox interview. How the fuck can we trust her to make critical decisions in a few moments notice when she can't even handle a television interview?
She also can't speak without a teleprompter, fumbles all kinds of statements and has absolutely zero of her own policies.
This "Trump bad" argument is utter horse shit and has no substance. I will say again, I don't love him but he did a pretty decent job the last time compared to his predecessor and successor.
The difference THIS time - if he wins - is he's got a fucking stellar team of people to clean some shit up. RFK on the health and environment, Musk on streamlining government, Tulsi to hopefully clean up the fucking military.
What do we get from Harris? Again, more of the same dog shit embarrassment we've had with no changes.
I'm sorry but there's no competition here and I'm pretty sensible, not a zealot for either side.
America may have done well despite Trump rather than due to what he did. Next time he will be worse. I don't like Musk either. Both of them lie and make divisive, hateful remarks. I judge them on what they actually say. RFK seems a useful idiot too.
It seems about half the country agrees with me, so it is not a minority view. We shall see how it pans out.
He will be worse - based on what? Point me to policies and directions that he is saying he will do and how it will be bad. Stay away from sound bite crap - substance is what we need.
Can you help me understand, outside of off putting things he says like calling someone a pig - what policy of his will be bad?
There's not much in here to agree with... let me break it down a bit:
Well, there's two options: completely isolate Russia until 144 million people are cast into famine and civil or even nuclear war, the government overthrown, millions dead, and replaced with an even more hardline dictator, OR, try and negotiate peace and compromise that keeps Russia in line, work towards denuclearisation (something Trump is very passionate about).
The idea that he will 'buddy up' with Putin and become best friends, taking lessons on how to be a dictator from him or something, simply has no basis in facts.
Again, China is the world's greatest trading partner. The world in its entirety will utteraly fall apart without China. And yet, Trump has historically not exactly been friendly with them economically, imposing tariffs and other restrictions on China for years now. He still says positive things about Xi, but this is a rhetoric to keep relationships going, political savvy. Nowhere have I ever heard Trump suggest he believes in the communist ideology of China.
He didn't actually want that and there was no policy suggesting it. What he wanted NATO members to pay their fair share, and, I mean, why not? Sounds reasonable to me. The target for each member was meant to be 2% of GDP spent on their own militaries, as not to be too dependent on pooling out NATO resources. Even though everybody agreed on this, the ultimate outcome was the US spending almost 4%, while countries like Norway, Portugal, Denmark, Hungary, Canada, Spain, and so on, were paying well under 2%. Some even under 1%. As Trump says, this was unfair, the USA was holding up the world.
If anything this is anti-imperialist, something the USA is often criticized for. Trump in contrast wanted a more equal sharing of that burden.
So, I dunno. I also wouldn't support Trump, but I don't think these particular arguments are very valid.
Thanks for elaborating - I am all in favour for peace and negotiations with Putin, I am not a fan of the Ukraine president as well (not only given his history). I hope you are right in that area.
NATO payments yeah Trump was already saying this in his previous role as president - you might be right here. China and US are the biggest global players and what is required to strengthen the European Union where I do not see a lot of agreements in general.
We will see what happens this week and after.
Before we start associating anxiety with one of the US presidential candidates, the chairs should be pushed closer together here in Europe. There is no longer any need for lone wolves. NATO in its current form is a model that is outdated. Decisions in the economy should be made with a European orientation and not be driven by destructive competitive thinking. And if it works to 'push the chairs closer together', it will also work to 'stand on our own two feet'.
Bevor wir Befürchtungen mit einem der Kandidaten für das Amt des amerikanischen Präsidenten verknüpfen, sollten hier in Europa die Stühle enger zusammengeschoben werden. Alleinunterhalter sind längst nicht mehr gefragt. Die NATO in ihrer jetzigen Form ist ein Auslaufmodell. Entscheidungen in der Wirtschaft sollten europäisch ausgerichtet sein und nicht geprägt vom zerstörenden Konkurrenzdenken. Und wenn das mit dem "Stühle-enger-zusammenschieben" funktioniert, dann klappt es auch mit dem "auf-den-eigenen-Beinen-stehen".
Welche Wirtschaftsnetscheidcungen meinst Du? Weitere sinnlose EU Regularien? Fakt ist, dass wir von den US wirtschaftlich abhängig sind leider, so lange die noch was kaufen aus Germany
Das, was du als sinnlose EU-Regularien bezeichnest, wird sich noch als Notnagel für so manchen Job in Europa erweisen. Ob »Amerika, China oder India - on the first place« bleibt sich (unter welchem "Führer" auch immer) vollkommen gleich. Jeder versucht, die europäische Technologie, mit welch dubiosen Mitteln auch immer, die Produktion zu verlagern. Es ist höchste Zeit für den europäischen Protektionismus. Die anderen sind uns meilenweit voraus.
Hmm, bin verwirrt - welche der EU Regularien siehst Du denn als sinnvoll? Mir fällt spontan wenig ein dazu :-). Dass wir meilenweit hintenliegen ist klar, aber woran liegt das?
Was meinst Du damit?
EU-Regularien finden in meiner Argumentation keine Erwähnung. Mir geht es um eine bessere Abstimmung und Kommunikation zwischen den einzelnen Regierungen. Wir bekommen es nicht hin, mit einer Stimme zu reden, noch die Voraussetzungen dafür zu schaffen, auf wirtschaftlicher Ebene gleiche Voraussetzungen für alle zu manifestieren. Als Beispiele seien dafür Sonderreglungen in Staaten wie Irland, Polen, Ungarn oder der Slowakei erwähnt.
Dass die USA europäische Unternehmen mit einer Quasi-Befreiung von der Gewerbesteuer und anderen Vergünstigungen locken, erscheint mir nun wahrlich nicht als die feine englische Art. Aber Englisch können sie ja ohnehin nicht.😉
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I dislike both candidates equally, they are both controlled by the same group of people.
they are controlled by powerful people for sure, some that lobby for something but I doubt they are the same guys for both :-)
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