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RE: Downvote pool

in #downvotes7 years ago (edited)

I understand all the technical aspects, but there are other solutions to fix them

In fact there are not. Saying it or wishing it does not make it so.

We need to direct our efforts toward minimizing the toxicity and negative effects of a tool which, as with all tools, can be used for good or evil, but which is absolutely needed by the good. Probably that means education, so people understand that receiving a downvote is not a personal attack, it is another stakeholder expressing their legitimate opinion (and it is because all human beings have legitimate opinions whether you like them or agree with them or not) on how the reward pool should be allocated, and also reminding people that if you do not get the rewards you feel you deserve, it is not only the fault of the downvoters but also also the fault of other stakeholders who did not upvote enough.

Or more to the point, you did not produce a contribution which stakeholders, collectively (both upvoters and downvoters) deemed worthy of a larger payout. You can blame them, blame a subset of them (those evil, nasty downvoters!) or you can work harder and adapt and produce contributions which are more valued.

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Ordinary social users will not understand it, getting a downvote is a personal thing for them.
We have to make the improvements with the eyes and the thinking of ordinary users, they are not interested in studying all these aspects and when someone new join Steem, he have to learn already more then enough.

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There is no other solution to this problem. We need downvotes, or we will ultimately need to get rid of the reward pool altogether. I would suggest, therefore, that instead of continuing to whine about the necessity of downvotes, we work harder to figure out how to make it easier to understand and help people to understand better. Because there really is no other alternative.

That's not whining, that's caring about Steem
There are always different solutions to fix a problem, but to make downvotes easier is not a solution.
We need a kind of downvote, yes, but no solution what animate people to downvote more and this solution is only a solution for the big players here on steem.

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There are not always different solutions. To make a car go, you need an engine. Maybe there are different fuels you can use, or electric, or air-powered, but ultimately you still need an engine.

There is not going to be any way around downvotes. You can dress them up in different ways but they're going to be there. This has been analyzed to death since before Steem even existed, and many times since. The conclusion is really pretty clear.

I respect your passion and caring about Steem but on the substance of the matter, we ultimately disagree. Sometimes what is needed to save something you care about is a bit of tough love, and difficult adjustment periods, not just saying what people want to hear.

And, a downvote isn't only a personal attack for them, it takes away their money, that's what an ordinary user feels when he gets downvoted on Steem
We have to think from their view, not from ours

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We have to educate so that people have a better understanding of how Steem actually works (and part of that could be UI changes to help convey this better). Rewards are allocated by the balance between upvotes and downvotes. Upvotes do not give and downvotes do not take away. It is the reward pool, and not individual voters, which pays out at the conclusion of voting depending on the balance of votes and how that balance compares with other content also competing for a share of the pool.