I believe there must be a better UI or better design for downvote use, suddenly losing payout doesn't look good, the other day I was flagged even just a small amount, doesn't feel very nice for sure. I understand you. Those names you tagged, I think they are really trying to return reward to the whole reward pool.
That said, flags still feel personal, I wonder if there's any better way to do that. I see downvotes quite normal on other platform because they are mostly anonymous, and not related to the actually rewards. Say if I'm a nobody on instagram, my okish photos are only liked by some friends.
I do think stake based influence system can be designed better.
Hi @joythewanderer
Yes, it feels like a personal attack when you get a red flag and you don't know why it is being done.
You can see what @smooth did here, gave me a downvote of $ 7.08. It doesn't feel right because I don't think he even looked at my post. When @smooth provides such a powerful downvote, he should comment on that too
Hey I feel you, one of my post was also flagged by smooth, I think it's because I wrote the post in English and my writing skill isn't very good. But still even knowing that and knowing probably smooth wants to make the rewards look more fair to the quality, I certainly didn't feel very good that day.
It feels a bit like someone thinks you are not worth it. I think the problem is also steem is just lack of top notch quality posts at the moment. If there are loads of high quality posts, we will admit maybe our posts aren't worth, but now it's not the case yet.
Did you use bidbot?
Hi @joythewanderer
Earlier, long before HF21, I also used bitbot to promote posts, but I understood that using them was no longer my way.
I also delegated to budbots before to increase my profits, but have also stopped
delegating to them.
Now I'm leasing out SP to other users now, a small part
I see that sometimes I get votes on my posts from the bidbot
But they vote of their own freedom, I don't pay for it
Hey, I'm one of those who is redistributing rewards and believe that upvote and downvotes play the same role. It's as simple as that. I have no interest in getting involved in flag wars, that's wholeheartedly unhelpful for the platform.
I've bought up 10k steem this last month or so and I want the platform to thrive as we will all grow.
I've been hit with downvotes from these small accounts as well, in fact, in the past have had posts flagged to 0 because of things I said and that hurt at the time.
This is the Internet though, bad things happen and we can't be so sensitive to it. But with Web 3.0 that is being built on steem, we all have a stake in the platform by virtue of Steem power, and have a say in where we want rewards to go to which INCLUDES the downvote button (I prefer the rewards redistribution button).
Anyway, I'm not out to get anyone, just using the reward distribution tools as they were intended.
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Hi @nickyhavey
And why are you giving these users 100% downvote
Have you explained why you give them a downvote?
@xpilar
Why do I need to explain? Do you explain why you give 100% upvotes to the users you do?
It's the same concept of rewards distribution I've explained elsewhere on your original post.
If we are going to go down the line of asking about every downvote decision then we need to do the same for every upvote decision.
Edit: I have now explained my decision to downvote on all the posts you highlighted above due to disagreement with rewards given and will provide explanations as to why I downvote in future on posts made.
Thanks for the debate
Hi @nickyhavey
The red flag is to impose a penalty on someone, so the receiver of the penalty should know why he is receiving the penalty.
It's nice of you to tell those you downvote about why. Because then that person and others know why you use downvote and can decide on it. and then it should be enough with a post to the user from you even if you then continue to downvote them again
This is a great start, thank you very much
There is no more red flag (at least on steemit.com; some other UIs may still use it). Actually there never was, the downvote was always a downvote, where people can express their opinion on payout value (just like upvoting and downvoting on every other site), but some genius decided to change the downvote to a flag, which made it into an attack (you did something wrong! Wave the red flag!).
Downvote simply means one thing, that the voter thought that the payout should be lower. Upvote means the voter thought that payout should be higher. That is all it means.
thank's for your feedback @smooth
But it is appropriate to explain why a downvote is also done on good content that does not have much merit
So it is clear that this is being used incorrectly
I don't agree on expecting explanations. There is a good reason not to expect or demand that downvoters explain everything. Downvoting is not rewarded the way upvoting is. Anyone downvoting is either malicious or doing a public service. Malicious downvoters won't explain and demanding more uncompensated effort and explanations from those doing good by downvoting means that less people will be willing to do it.
Just as others have stated that upvotes don't get explanations, downvotes often won't either. Just accept it as the subjective opinion of the voter (even if you don't agree with it) and go on with life (which could include also making your own, contrary vote, or not).
@joe.public
Appreciate the comment.
Nothing is wrong with large payouts, I never said there was a problem with that. The problem has been with over- and under- rewarded posts and that's where our rewards distribution tools (the upvote and downvote) come in to play. In fact that's the whole reason for them as it's your way of saying if you think a post is over or under rewarded.
Unfortunately though, as you and I have talked about in other conversations (even with your kiwisteem account), no one is this objective - humans...🙂
I'll be writing a post about it all from a neutral stand point (Bluffer's Guide is being brought out of retirement) and then I'm staying well away from this topic forever haha!
Forgive me if I don't respond anymore to you on this or any other post after the one I'll be posting. I've said all I wanted to say here, made peace with everyone and have got more positive things to do for steem like sharing travel and Drum & Bass posts 😉
Rock on bro
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Noticed that this seems like a reasonable response. It can feel a little personal and many of us are paying a price for it as well.
It certainly isn't perfect.
The goal is to normalize the downvotes. However the revenge downvotes are also free.
It's an interesting time to be sure.
Hi @whatsup
Thank you for your feedback
Yes, they are here "revenge downvotes" and I am afraid what they are doing.
Therefore, I also believe that a yellow flag should be introduced where you have to type in a comment field before it can be used and without the possibility of downvote. It is the first warning to the user before it is possible to give a red flag. It's about learning and not just punishing.
You were one of the reasons why I went away from using bidbot
Because you told me why when my profits got too high
Hope more people here understand how important it is to get help from others and learn about Steemit and not just give a punishment
I'm hoping this is just a phase well people get used to using their downvotes and a new pecking order is established.
There will always be people behaving badly. Maybe that is revenge downvotes. Maybe it is trading upvotes (which feels fine to the people doing it of course, but cheats everyone else out of whatever part of the pool is going to pay for traded votes that don't reflect merit).
It isn't those misbehaving who define the system, it is what everyone else does about it. When you see revenge downvotes, upvote. When you see vote trading or undeserved/bought/self upvotes, downvote.
thank's for your feedback @smooth
You give me an honest answer thank you for that