You do know that the zero aggression principle is not a pacifistic stance?
Because you say:
it's a self defeating stance because first it is clearly against initiating force against those that initiate force themselves
This is absolutely no true If you think this is what the zero aggression principle is or means you don't understand it.
First, to make something clear, if you defend yourself against an attacker ,aggresor (the one initiating violence) you are not the initiator of violence (you are not an attacker or agressor), you defend yourself.
You may defend yourself against those who attack you. I would even say I must, where I can, defend myself (and eventual others) against the state aggressors and other aggressors or aggressions.
This can have many different forms.
(defending is not aggressing)
I'm not convincing the slave owner that would be ridiculous.
I'm trying to get through to the other slaves that think they ought to be slaves.
It's a bit like being born in a giant cult. If you want to take a aim at destroying the cult it would not help to convince the cult leaders, they do not believe their own story (well maybe they do but that's not the point), you try to deprogram the cult members,
the believers, if no one believe the BS of the cult leaders there is no cult.
Thank you for the reply.
Most of the people don't know that, and most will defend the state and even other agressors.
The following I write just to make sure we are talking about the same thing.
It requires violence or better said force?
What do you mean with complete and total war?
And how are you now at war?
do you shoot all the bureaucrats, politicians, judges ,police, military, and all that voted for them and want them to boss them around and worse you around?.......for if you are at war with the state you are at war with almost everyone.
Ok . One question I still have though is; what do you mean with Total War. What does that consist of.
I think you do not mean the thing I have in mind when I think of war. You just would not be alive today.
I know that, I thought I explained already.
You think, that the people that say they believe in the zero aggression principle, expect that the slave owners will listen to kumbaya and the alphabet organizations will reform? Because I don't believe that.
That is what the ZAP means yeah They initiate violence all day every day.
I believe covert is the only way, for me, for now, there are so few of us here. In the US it's different there the overt way is more part of the culture.
I'm really sorry that I have such a hard time understanding you, and that I ask so many questions, but I really want to understand what you are saying.
Thanks for the patient reply :)