 | Several days back, I came across a tag on steemit going around called: #deletefacebook. I must admit - it instantly caught my attention. |
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I realized that hate towards this social media platform is growing faster than ever. Were there many accounts being deleted by the original Facebook users? Hard to tell. Will it be better for Steemit? I guess it depends. At the end of the day do we want more haters from Facebook to move to Steemit?
I was going through a couple of blogs from several accounts that Im paying close attention to and I noticed that Im not the only one interested with this particular issue. My dear Steemit friend @gandhibaba expressed his frustration quite clearly in his latest post:
"Delete Facebook Campaign: How I Converted Three Facebookers to Steemit"
He wrote in his post:
"I was angry, really, at the recent data mining scandal in which Facebook had been implicated. Plus, I was furious that people spend a lot of time on Facebook without getting any reward beyond some useless likes and shares."
It made me stop for a little while and ask myself a question: why do we even bother to be angry at Facebook or their users? Im sure most of us were warned more than once how unsecured social media can be. That whatever we share might in some way or another end up in public "space". I am pretty sure on some level, we all knew that once we agree to something online, there will never ever be 100% true data protection. So why all of sudden are we so angry that public datas are leaking from that platform?
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I've been studying social media and human psychology behind it for almost 2 years now and I still cannot understand where our frustration is coming from?
- Aren't we aware of lack of benefits and rewards coming from facebook?
- Aren't we aware of the face that we're sharing our life and all those datas are pretty much public?
- Aren't we aware that facebook and others are using those datas to cover their operating costs?
My most important question would be: is deleting your facebook account now going to change much? Will you be able to protect your data anyway? Personally I don't believe that removing your account from that platform can erase all collected information about any of us. But perhaps Im wrong?
I'm just not too sure what to think of all this. Thoughts anyone?
Cheers, Piotr
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Sometimes, I find it interesting how people are leaving Facebook because of the privacy concern. But then they join group created by other Steemians on Steemit and they give out their personal information such as personal photo, age and location. It is like giving out their own privacy information to the public that cannot be altered or deleted and:
Cheer mate,
Thanks for your kind comment :)
"Sometimes, I find it interesting how people are leaving Facebook because of the privacy concern."
I completly agree. I could also never understand this behaviour and it seem that people are so angry at facebook because media brought so much attention towards this issue.
I think everyone need to realize that if your data (age, location etc) are out there then those data are easily accessable.
Also I realized that many people complain about Steemit but I noticed that comparing to fb I can reach out to right people much easier here. Personally Im using fb already only as a communication tool. I dont even bother to check newsfeed.
Also I realized that many people complain about Steemit but I noticed that comparing to fb I can reach out to right people much easier here. Personally Im using fb already only as a communication tool. I dont even bother to check newsfeed.
I noticed also that young generation treats fb as platform for old people. Do you agree with that?
Cheers, Piotr
Thanks for your comment mate
Great post idea to discuss, Piotr! While I still haven't deleted my Facebook account, I know many who have and I have been busy at the long process of removing myself from hundreds of groups I've been in and/or added into w/o my permission. I think it's far more complex than maybe you realize.
Bottom line: They are criminals violating the U.S. Constitution, as so many other big heavy weights these days too. Such as Google. Google (and Facebook record all conversations via any device you may be in hearing distance of and then sells or uses it - since you are the product they are selling. Pay attention the next time you google something, if anything pops up in the search results related to one or more keywords your last conversation spoke of.
If you have a Facebook account it's not just tracking you there, but everywhere you go that has any code from Facebook on it, such as a Like or Share button. If you live in Malaysia, for example, and happen to visit webpages with any Facebook code on it in Poland, maybe a hotel or something, their AI will figure you are about to visit there and, if you carry a smartphone and it arrives there, it will attempt to push other relative ads your way. That may be a positive, but criminals can also access this data and be waiting to rob you or who knows... There are cases of this happening too.
The whole thing is getting way out of hand in many cases, mainly because we the people, who in their eyes are the product that they sell to their real customers (the advertisers, governments and who knows else) are forced to comply without often any options to opt out, via Terms and Service agreements to use their services.
Supposedly, the EU has made new laws for this, but I honestly have my doubts it's much more than a tricky ploy to appease the angry product (I mean people), since those that make the laws are one of the main customers of these tech giants.
On the other hand, we've built up connections on Facebook that we don't want to loose either. And of course they map out all of that data to sell on us as well. Steemit is probably even worse, given the open access to our wallets and data to mine. To the best of my knowledge, Minds.com is the only social networking site really making an honest effort to honor privacy and free speech.
Thanks for another amazing comment. You're always surprissing me with very well written replies. I appreciate it a lot.
I didnt know that fb and google alghorytms are that advanced. Great read :)
Perhaps I didnt know much about it because I dont have smartphone and I only use fb via laptop. So maybe things are a bit different?
I guess this law will have holes and will be easy to go around for any large corporation that can afford to hire experts.
@positivesynergy
Facebook seem to be related to old generation and young ones are not eager to be part of it. Since it a platform used by "their parents".
I think days of that platform are already numbered and they cannot survive without rebrandingu and changing their technology (using blockchain for instance).
One more time big thx for amazing comment.
You are right in the generation divide of Facebook and the older ones are leaving in droves; some trying to get into steemit with no luck that I know and many many pouring into Minds.com, which has surpassed steemit in many areas already, such as numbers and visability. Let's hope Facebook wakes up and changes their tune, but it doesn't look like it...
facebook would need huge resources and time to change much. and they are under heavy pressure. I dont see bright future for fb.
Hmm, honestly, I barely use Facebook and it doesn't matter, whether it's exist or gone with time bro :)
Thx for reply Wilson :)
Thanks for your interesting question @crypto.piotr. A couple of years ago, I was very active on facebook. It was a good tool to promote my business. There was not much else out there at the time.
Over time however it became more and more difficult to interact with my followers. Meaning, I got less and less comments and likes to my posts. I first thought that my posts were not good enough, then I realized that facebook simply didn't show them anymore without me paying for them.
So I started to pay because it was still a good tool for me.
My followers just stopped to be active on Facebook
After a while, even my paid posts didn't have any effect anymore. I talked to my customers and came to realize that my followers simply didn't spend their time on facebook anymore. I'm probably not the only one who invested a lot of money to build up a base of followers and then saw one day that it was not sustainable.
Well, I'm not answering your question tough. I used facebook and I knew how they were earning their money. The big scandal about Facebook should certainly not come as a surprise.
Scary thing about Facebook
What I found more scary about facebook is that the other day my wife posted a photo and I was in the background of it. Because of face recognition, I got tagged automatically and all my friends saw the photo. Probably it is possible to switch this feature off somewhere but I gave up trying to find where it is. (do you know where?)
So it seems Facebook is collecting my data even without me doing anything on Facebook myself. Wherever my face pop's up on a photo, Facebook will know it and share whatever they want with my friends.
So will I delete my Facebook account?
No, I will not because I cannot. My Facebook account is linked to numerous services like Instagram, etc. I will just not use it anymore and try to figure a way out to avoid face recognition.
Sorry my comment became too long again... If you bother to read till hear congrats ;-)
BIG THX for sharing your thoughts.
I had quite similar experiences. I also realized that even if I pay my engagement is close to zero.
Could I achieve on facebook what I've achieved on Steemit within a month? I dont think so.
Very true. And yet it did for so many people.
Not really. Your story is indeed scary. Luckily fb never did this shit with my photos.
My reasons are again very similar to yours. Boring haha :)
Congratz to both of us :) for being awesome! :)
Cheers mate,
Piotr
You managed to go through it. You are the best ! ;-)
hahaha
well. I really spent hours getting to know you and many other valuable people. Ive spent hours building healthy relationship. Now I need to maintain it and my goal is to support every single person Im working with because growing together is not only much easier, but also much more fun :)
Yours,
Piotr
Ever since I joint Steemit, I barely use facebook. I got the contacts of the friends that matter and we keep our chats live on whatsapp. I was aware of the risk but then there was no alternative for me at that time.
I feel you mate. Im hardly on fb since Im on steemit too :)
Then come along blockchain and Steem where people can share the benefit of social media. But Steem is not free of problems too. Nothing is going to be perfect as long as humans are behind all of these things.
I think it is not easy to detach human emotion to whatever we are doing and there lies the problem. Also, I think most people like to do it the easy way.
Complain and blame somebody else instead of looking at the mirror and think. What can I change about myself today to make me a better person that lead to a better community and finally to a better world?
PS. since you seem to be interested in human psychology, I recommend you to read Road Less Traveled. It should be an interesting read unless you've read it already. Cheers!
Hi Devy
Thx for another great reply. I loved it. Seeing words "human psychology" make me so excited haha :)
So very bloody true.
Thanks for recommendation.
Cheers! Let me know what you think when you've read the book.
Ive been trying to find ebook but somehow Im failing :(
ps. Im also mostly passionate about human psychology behind "the screen". Social media in particular. If you have any good recommendations then please let me know :)
yours
Piotr
I've never look at ebooks before so I have no ideas where to look for it. The only place I can think of is Amazon kindle but then again I have no idea.
As for human psychology related to social media, I have no reference for that.
Appreciate your reply mate.
I just never liked Facebook. Ever. I have a few pages for some small projects that I do not maintain because like @achim03 said if you do not pay no one sees the posts and also the people that would be interested in my projects left or aren't on fb anymore. I think a lot of people have disliked it for a while for many reasons other than the privacy issues.
The UI is very bad and even a seasoned web literate person has trouble finding the settings or understanding the defaults.
I am concerned with the amount of young people that have used it and harmed themselves because they have been bullied.
I have 2 friends on there who are active with posting and while they are friends I do have to say they both are very needy people and post quite a lot about every thing in their life. One modifies her selfies with filters so that she appears slimmer and more attractive. I've known this girl for years and she is not ugly but she's a little over weight - still ok looking, she's fun and interesting. It saddens me she feels the need to filter herself as different looking than she is. I find her beautiful inside and out.
I think Facebook is a cancer to the soul. I haven't deleted it because I don't use it and just "camp" my pages. I've never been naive about its business model or what it does and was not surprised by the latest scandals.
Hi buddy
Thx for your amazing comment and sharing your opinion with us.
Also I realized that many people complain about Steemit but I noticed that comparing to fb I can reach out to right people much easier here. Personally Im using fb already only as a communication tool. I dont even bother to check newsfeed.
I noticed also that young generation treats fb as platform for old people. Do you agree with that?
Wow. That's a heavy statement :)
There is a transformation coming for Facebook more than Twitter. At least at first. FB is convienent and the old foggies probably think a lot of the negative press is "fake news". Funny, their children grew up with it, turned them on to it, and now many are against it, but they are probably more apt to remain loyal. This is why I say convenience.
thx for your comment mate
Facebook seem to be related to old generation and young ones are not eager to be part of it. Since it a platform used by "their parents".
I think days of that platform are already numbered and they cannot survive without rebrandingu and changing their technology (using blockchain for instance).
Cheers,
Piotr
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You view is quite nice. Moat of these users have been warned severally even before joining the network
Thx for your comment.
I've noticed a moment ago that recently you also posted article about deleting facebook. do you believe that deleting it can actually change anything? all those datas collected about us will not be removed, right?
Well i believe they are already facing panel on that. Deleting facebook will give them a notice that they have done something wrong. Whats your say on that
Very true. That would kind of send a message. I wonder if FB will ever be as powerful as they used to be.
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I have definitely used the hashtag #deletefacebook and for me it goes beyond the data mining and lies perpetrated by Fakebook. The platform started out as if it was the product and all along we were designed as the product for them. Look up the Lifelog project. It was started by the CIA as a way to track the moves and thoughts of everyone. It was 'ended' on the same exact day that Facebook started. Facebook is a long arm of the Deep State and has always been in the business of exploiting people and their information. We're only just now seeing the extent of what those USER AGREEMENTS actually entailed. It did not include selling our data, which they did, and something they've vehemently denied doing..but they did it and continue to lie to their users.
The other reason I left Fakebook is that it turned into an echo chamber of anger and one-sided bitching. Even the interaction of 'friends' was becoming shallow and littered with emojis and cute, meaningless photos. It is not a place for anyone with an opinion that may contradict someone elses. The words 'racist', 'xenophobe' and 'priviledged' are tossed around so casually. It's ground zero for the unhinged, in my opinion.
Sad because it is a great tool, but I can't support it for reason stated and the deep deceptions attached to it.
Thx for sharing your thoughts tacos! :)
I never heard about Lifelog project. Interesting like hell.
Very bloody true.
Also I realized that many people complain about Steemit but I noticed that comparing to fb I can reach out to right people much easier here. Personally Im using fb already only as a communication tool. I dont even bother to check newsfeed.
I noticed also that young generation treats fb as platform for old people. Do you agree with that?
For at least two years before I deleted my FB account, I never checked the newsfeed, but you could still get the vibe by the 'suggested' news items that would show up anyway. I've heard that younger people are not using FB as much and have even heard that it will go the way of Myspace. Zuckerberg is banning crypto ads on FB, leading people to think he doesn't want the competition and is on the verge of entering Steemit and buy up Steem. I'm not sure how that will effect everyone, but I don't like the rich coming in and taking over influence only because they can afford it.
Appreciate your comment :) I also think that FB need to go away. Their time is ending.
Cheers,
Piotr
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Deleting my facebook is the illogical thing in my opinion and that wont change anything
been on steemit might come with a huge reward but I think the social media could turn out to be a great tool to preach steemit good news
I agree that deleting fb will not erase past and wont change much.
That's more like resounding the echos of my minds whisper
well said my friend :)
I haven't done the #deletefacebook thing, but I have deleted around 10 years of posts, likes, and shares. I still get value from the daily interactions, but it's only Facebook getting any benefit from the old posts. So the old posts go.