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RE: Fascists in a nutshell, also happy 4th!

in #capitalism6 years ago

Liked your post because it is well written and with a few sources of information.

However, I would also like to say -as the libertarian I am -:

If you think capitalism is the cause of so many deaths in the world, what are you doing here in Steem when you could do the same for free in other platforms? Real question. I am not asking you to quit, of course.

Any non capitalist form of anarchy is just communism: a society without money and without State. I could be wrong here. Maybe you could help me scape the confussion.

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also, capitalism is not anarchist. Looking at the labor theory of value, all value comes directly from human labor and the difference in value comes from a difference in labor required to produce it. (Even adam smith admitted this.) Private ownership of the means of production is the method in which the capitalist controls the workers in such a way that they are unable to labor without giving up the majority of their labor as profit, directly to the capitalist. You may argue that this can be voluntary, but that is incorrect. If we look at the parable of the divided island, the capitalists must destroy any functioning non-capitalist society in order to keep workers, as there is no possible way they would make more under capitalism because of the nature of profit.

There is also the argument of land use "rights". When humanity first evolved nothing was "owned", that came later. Ownership is recognised control of the means of production, which mostly came around during the enclosure acts. This was a violent action by the state to privatise formerly collective land, in order for capitalism to expand. This means the private ownership of the means of production that capitalism is based on, only came into existence because of the state. That's not even to mention that the violence of the state is the only thing that allows its continued existence.

There is also this post I made on the topic a while back
https://steemit.com/politics/@anarchyhasnogods/a-communist-definition-of-property

Fascism is capitalism in decay, the inherent contradictions within capitalism mean that it must turn to imperialism and war just to survive. Capitalism is not just "money" it is a system of direct domination over the workers that uses a market to justify its existence

"If you think capitalism is the cause of so many deaths in the world, what are you doing here in Steem when you could do the same for free in other platforms?"

I see a few main points here. Commodification, and a complete non-understanding of socio-economic systems.

  1. Capitalism must turn everything into a commodity to be sold, capitalism cannot exist without continuing to create new markets that can be exploited. LGBT pride has been consumed by this, with all these neo-liberal corporations putting pride colors up and being praised for it, even though they didn't actually do anything. Commodification does not only make everything fake, it also lowers its social value, because it must be turned into a form that is exploitable.

  2. Capital gains are not the only reason people do things. People create art because they like art, people become doctors because they like helping people. I am on steem because I have a chance to use capital to grow power and spread knowledge faster than other social media. If I found another that was better, but had no profit, I would jump ship in a heartbeat.

  3. People need money to survive under capitalism. You can't just "do stuff for free", thats not how it works. To quote the million ancaps on this platform "learn economics". (A joke.) Communism isn't doing everything for free, communism is planning how to most effectively distribute resources between workers. The most common form of this is simply being able to take what you need and giving what you can, which is much different from working "for free" under this economic system.

  4. I cannot just wish capitalism away, working towards it through my own labor in small ways (like writing for free) is not realistic. I think this video below sums it up nicely

also, many non-capitalist forms of anarchy have money. You don't seem to understand what capitalism is. You see the root of the word "capital" applies to private ownership of the means of production, not the existence of money.

Although I still am a communist

Yes. Socialdemocratic societies.

Collectivist anarchism
Collectivist anarchism (also known as anarcho-collectivism) is a revolutionary anarchist doctrine that advocates the abolition of both the state and private ownership of the means of production as it instead envisions the means of production being owned collectively and controlled and managed by the producers themselves.
For the collectivization of the means of production, it was originally envisaged that workers will revolt and forcibly collectivize the means of production. Once collectivization takes place, money would be abolished to be replaced with labour notes and workers' salaries would be determined in democratic organizations of voluntary membership based on job difficulty and the amount of time they contributed to production. These salaries would be used to purchase goods in a communal market.

collectivism, market socialism, and mutualism actually. (as just a few examples)

Social democracy is still capitalism

you ever see this picture before?

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