All of the supplements totally depend on us . Some will give u best result and some won't even give u any feeling of anything .in order to keep up in a good shape we need to depend on our natural diets more than the supplements . now a days im not taking any pre-workouts just have black coffee before workout .
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Yeah I need to cut down on the stims, probably close to about 600 mg of caffeine a day. The ones I listed above are caffeine and DMAA, so I will cycle them. Like you said some depend on us, some that worked great for a few weeks, don't seem that great any more. Diet is Key though..