In the ongoing struggle of Steemit vs Hive I'm beginning to wonder how this affects all the Popolo Piccolo and is it worth jumping ship? When I first joined Steemit, is billed as rewarding so-called 'Good Content' I soon learned that that was total cows droppings and all that matters is how many votes you get. In my time I've seen things such as simply reposting a Dtube video earn eye-watering rewards while a post that looks like it took the author four or five hours to produce has earned just a few cents. Of course, those at the top of the food chain will assure you that all you need is a rich benefactor or Whale to drop a big vote on you, this may well have happened in the early days of Steem but hasn't happened for years in my opinion.
Everyone has their opinions as to what has gone on, with accusations of 'Takeovers', thefts and strongarm tactics. My personal view, which I've repeated so often now it's become boring, is that it was purely and simply about who owned Steem/Steemit. So with that in mind, a group of influential former Steemians created Hive and told everyone it was really bad to stay on Steemit and that a brave new world awaited everyone who dumped their SBD & STEEM and converted to Hiveism. I came to Hive slightly later than most it was more a Giving in than any moral decision and I started to Powerdown over at Steemit with a view to, as advised, transfer my funds to Hive. Rather than just jumping in head first, I thought it would be a good idea to move small amounts basically to see how things pan out and began posting on Hive.
I've not written vast amounts on Hive, but supposedly I already have 1976 Followers however, I suspect these are just the followers I had on Steemit and the Dev's simply migrated to them to Hive; the trouble is, are those individuals active on Hive? Every former member of Steemit has an account on Hive, and while it was a good idea to simply mirror your account from one service to the other the downside is that if individuals choose to stay with Steemit then I'm not going to get the level of interaction and most importantly votes I get on Steemit.
Back on the 3rd June I wrote a piece titled Cluster Hat with Docker Swarm and posted it to Hive. In my opinion, it was the first 'Good Content' I'd submitted to Hive. With the promises of a better community dedicated to its members, I sat back and waited for the accolades to start rolling in. Three days went by and, to my horror, the piece had aroused the communities attention to a paltry $0.19 for three hours work! True, the formatting was diabolical because I sent the content from my Wordpress site, but the content was still there and readable.
I've been monitoring my Steemit account and even though I hadn't submitted anything since 16/3/20 I was still getting a steady stream of rewards from the platform. Nothing that would pay off my mortgage but enough to make me check my wallet every other day. With this in mind, I thought I'd do something cheaky; I would clean up the bad formatting to the original Hive post, copy the HTML and post exactly the same content on my Steemit account. This morning (7/6/20) I checked how my despicable venture was doing, and to date, it has earned $1.41 which as you've already worked it out $1.22 more than Hive! It seems to me I might be better off either sticking with Steemit or just duplicate posting.
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Pete, I didn't read your last post because I wasn't on HIVE then, but by reading this you've given me a good idea of its content. When in Steem I produced the first professional film ever fully funded with earnings from the blockchain - Steem. I powered down over the production all the Steem I had to be able to maintain that tag. So I need to build up my HIVE P now and will be dealing with that over the week or month. But while doing that I was asking myself what is the endgame on this social media blockchain - be it Steem or HIVE. I too took tons of time producing and posting my videos. I did have the support of Whales. It was great while it lasted. But it could only be short-term support just long enough until you build your own support. It all worked well for me. But I could have done better, much better.
So I'm going to ask you a rhetorical question? How much time do you take to thoroughly read the posts of those people posting in your community? I'm not talking about those you follow or those who follow you. I'm talking about those in the community you are in? I spend 10 times or more time replying and upvoting than I do on posting and I have a plan. Within 3 months I will have 25 - 30 HIVERS in my 'filmmaking' community who's posts I will always read and upvote (based on the originality of the content from10-100%) and reply to first. That's where I put my time. I have 3500 plus followers. I'll continue to post and I hope many of those people will comment on my posts. When that happens, it's gold! I'll reply quickly and after dialoguing with them I find they fit into the community I'm looking to establish - filmmaking - I'll invite them. They may very well be one of the 25-30 eventually in my inner family group.
Therefore, in my opinion, the response you get to a post is directly based on the dialogue you create with those whose posts you reply to and those you upvote. Networking is what makes social media blockchain work. It doesn't take thousands. It takes just dozens of people in a community to be successful. For what it's worth.
Yes, community is key. Shouting into the void doesn't get you far. I am one of the top commenters. That and going to Steemfest helped me connect with people.
I know Dick/Pete is part of the open source world. That does not seem to be so big on Hive yet. It could be good as a lot of those projects struggle to earn enough to cover their costs when people do not want to pay for 'free' software. I would vote on posts by projects whose software I use. For now I get their blogs via an RSS reader, but I cannot vote them rewards with that.
Thanks for the clarification. That I didn't get from his post. Cool.
You're absolutely right. I can't find fault with a single word you've said although, and here comes the "But".
Should it really be that hard? I mean, I spend far too much time on Mastodon it doesn't feel like hard work and I feel like I'm rewarded there. Everyone says that for Hive (Steemit) "You've got to put the work in, you've got to spend X amount of hours trawling through posts and commenting, you've got to build a presence in a given community. This doesn't sound like fun it sounds like very hard work for little reward.
I know I'm coming across as a moaner but actually I'm not moaning. I'm making some pretty valid points for a lot of the Krill such as myself that are members of Steemit and Hive. TBH, it feels like I'm starting all over again. 😭
yeah i was also still in the plan for both games because i wasnt sure on how and what.
But..one of my last posts on how to send steem to hive has literally disappeared on steem which is not the censorship that we signed up for. Shocking!
Nothing has happened to me. Literally! Bwahahaha
heheheh I guess you are neutral enough in this one then that is. I will still keep posting on both but only replying on hive...it feels...i dunno ..less weird
There is not much you can do for the list of people following you, however you can determine if those you follow are active on hive if you use peakd and look at your following list it will let you know when their last post was.
Unless you have a lot of dedicated followers, the tags you used - CLUSTERHAT DOCKER PORTAINER RASPERRYPI -don't really lend to people finding your content. There is very little activity in those tags.
Communities are a great place to get started with finding a group of like minded people interested in what you are posting about. In the case of you post mentioned above the STEMGeeks Community Might be a good place to start.
There are always going to be pluses and minuses to all the varied sites, success on Hive comes through being able to find your audience, posting into obscure tags is not really going to do that for you.
So there are two responses to that:
A. Then they should be communities.
B. There are very few (Current) communities on Hive that 'float my boat'🤣
I've never quite been able to get my head around rewards and curation as it has always been so variable. As above, I've spent hours on writing content and it has come to nothing then posted the odd photo and a few words and had decent reward.
I've not posted anything on Steemit for a while so can't offer a comparison but feel I've been receiving greater rewards on Hive since moving across. I may cross post some items in the future to see what happens!
Thing is, you can't win. If a group got together and only upvoted each others quality fourteen volume reworking of the Rise & Fall of Rome two things would happen.
1. You'd get accused of having sock puppets.
2. Some swine would still come along with an animated gif of a duck driving a Lamborgini and clean up on the upvotes.
I think I'm more disenchanted because Hive is no better than Steemit. If anything, in my case, in terms of rewards I think Hive appears to be worse!Rewards often depend on how many people have you on auto-vote rather than those who actually visit the post. I do well from that as I have got to know a lot of people Steem who came over to Hive. It is quite possible a lot of your followers are inactive on Hive and probably on Steem too. Most of mine are for sure.
Those auto-votes are nice, but I really value good comments on my posts to get some interaction going.
It looks like I may be your biggest supporter on Hive :) I am using up votes on anything that comes up on my Steem feed, but I have much less SP now.
The fact is that complaining about lack of support when you rarely comment on the posts of others will not get you much sympathy. You cannot take it for granted. I know you are busy on other platforms and time is limited. It's up to you to decide if the blockchains are worth your time.
Mate, firstly I appreciate your long-standing support however I have to disagree with you. I had lots of interaction on Steemit and yet on only one occasion did my rewards for a post rise into double figures. I monitored myself and set a target of Upvoting a minimum of four posts every day, seven days a week. I also set myself a goal of curating a minimum of four posts per day, every day. I did that for about two months solid and my rewards did increase, well of course it would, you could curate a picture of a gnat's bum and you'd get rewarded but my intermittent posts are generally only upvoted by yourself and a hardcore of six or seven who are kind enough to look out for my input.
To be honest the post isn't actually a complaint about lack of rewards. It's an observation on the discrepancy between Hive & Steemit given supposedly the same followers of mine are on both platforms. A cynical person might look at that discrepency and argue: "Why waste your time on a low return when you can make three times as much elsewhere?"
Having said that, I wouldn't, simply because their wysiwyg and preview is horribly broken.
Okay, so you did try. Looks like your Steem votes are largely automated. Over 1000, but most are almost insignificant. They may be following what the SBI bot votes on. But of course you only make real money if you get some bigger supporters. We lost a few whales in the transition to Hive, but there are some good curation projects with a lot of HP.
If you look at the trending Steem posts it seems to be all about buying votes and that is not happening so much here. It seems Steemit and Justin are quite happy with that, especially if it's their Asian chums. Meanwhile anything I post gets flagged to nothing, but then I was winding them up.
I do find your posts interesting as you are a better writer than most, even if I disagree with your opinions. If you can get the Wordpress cross-posting to work better it will help.
I've had some good results with Raspberry Pi posts as some of the whales like that kind of stuff. Just have to get their attention with the right tags or maybe post in a community.
I may have only been able to give you $0.01 vote but you deserve far more recognition for that reply.
If a 1000 bots gets me into double figures, bring it on. 🤣
Seems I got your post some attention, so I hope the responses are useful. Better than bots.
As I say in my footers: Repostings are worth their weight in gold.
All systems have their flaws, but from my time on hive I think there seems to be more work around curating good content and preventing vote buying/swapping. I've been posting on. It's platforms as I powerdown my steem. I've notice a lot of negative activities again on steem. Lots of vote swaps, buying votes and self voting. That is why I've chosen to focus 99.9% of my energy on hive. I feel once my steem is liquid I'll be 100% hive. I hope to see you stick around I'd like to get to know you more.
I must say I don't have an issue with self voting my initial post(s) tbh, sometimes, it's the only was a post is rewarded. LOL
I'd like Hive to work I truly would.
I think smaller accounts can get a pass to some existent. I have a big problem with larger accounts voting multiple dollars on their own posts.
I think we have had this conversation before and you sound like one of my best mates @steddyman who refuses to post now for the same reasons.
I get a decent poke at the pie but still, it's a bad use of my time, yet I still do it. It all depends on what you write about and what people want to read.
You may argue it's all about stake size, and I would agree with you mostly, but I see other people with small stakes who do OK.
HIVE gives you a decent return for just curating, better than our shit banks, and better than most stocks, even high dividend ones. I would still argue that a daily return is better than a twice-yearly one (the LSE).
THANK YOU!
Thank you for making feel sane again. I thought maybe I needed to have my head looked at because it appeared I was the only one who held the views I have. #hugs
I'd have sent you a Tip too but I don't have enough apparently? LOL
Hi Pete, I understand and that is why I was comparing Hive to Medium today. Basically, Medium is well popular for curating good content. So which is better?
I believe Hive is purely community-based. After building a good community,there are going to be times when you do not want to post quality content, and still Hive community would give you reward for a general post about your life. So, it is quite tough to get attention but once you are persistent on the post quality, you will get rewards as well love from the people.
Fair enough.
Im a really small account on both Steem and Hive, yet my experience has been the opposite of yours, many of the people I have got to know have also migrated to Hive and as such I'm getting far more attention on Hive than on Steem. Im a small fish, but in a smaller pond, perhaps.
I had lost interest in Steem some time ago, as a small account it was impossible to make progress, Hive (at least feels like) a second chance and so far its more engaging.
Of course "your mileage may vary".
Everyone's experience is different.
Duplicate the posting! Actually they should also launch Hiveit, this way you earn 3 times on the same post.
I'm not proud of it but I've tried playing fairly and it's got me nowhere. I kind of see it as 'Payback' time. All the STEEM and SBD I get from Steemit I'm sending to @ionomy once it's a reasonable amount and buying Bitcoin seeing as I'm now a Crypto Tycoon with my £43.53 worth of Bitcoin. 🤣
I'm recentlybeen sending some of my "fortune" to stakecube, they're paying 7% yearly on some cryptos (BTC, LTC, DASH,DOGE), you can stake others and they have daily faucets.
Can you explain more? Preferably in crayon or a finger painting would be good. I understand Faucets I have an Eobot account that would give you a trickle of coins however they went through some changes and now require a host of information that I'm not happy to submit. Why would I have over my National Insurance number or my passport details to a crypto mining service?
EOBOT sucks, they had only one faucet and that doesn't even work anymore. Cloudmining is a money loser and and they're fees are too high if you want to transfer out.
Stakecube trades 53 coins now and they are growing. Most of them are staking coins. They have 24 hour faucets for about 10 to 15 coins. Sign up is easy, just need an email with no KYC, no deposit.
Ooh! My kind of service: Pay Nothing.
Thanks, I'm heading over there now. #hugs
The faucets are under community.