 | Recently I've been researching about the infamous 5G technology and trying to learn what other people have to say about it. And it seem to be quite a hot topic. |
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INTRODUCTION
On one hand we are being offered a great solution, one which would allow us almost limitless speed of communication. So called "internet of things". In theory, once you're connected to a 5G network, you should be able to download large files (movies etc) within a split of second.
Admittedly it does sound very impressive and at first glance this solution seems to be a natural direction that technology is moving towards, but we should bear in mind that there are some RED FLAGS which makes me feel a bit uncomfortable about the development of this technology.
And I would like to discuss some of those "red flags" hoping to learn some opinions as well coming from more knowledgeable and experienced people here on Steemit.
5G AND OUR HEALTH
 | So far we know that a great advantage of the 5G technology is pretty much unlimited speed. |
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However, on the other hand, I've learned that absolutely no one out there seems to be aware of the fact that this technology would have an impact on our health. What kind of impact could it possibly be? I've seen many influencers sharing their concerns and some of them suggesting that in the long run those exposed to 5G (living in close distances to antennas) may suffer awful health side effects. Apparently, brain cancer is one of those possible risks.
Since there is very little (or zero) official research backing up the safety of 5G, I think we can assume that no one will know for sure how this technology could impact our health. One thing for certain, is that it's in our all best interest to get interested in this topic, in hopes that regulators will step in and help to ensure our safety.
Naturally, I would love to hear your opinion on that particular issue, but my main focus for discussion would be mostly related to the amazing (or perhaps deadly) combination: AI + 5G
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, BLOCKCHAIN and 5G
 | I'm not going to pretend that I'm an expert when it comes to either AI, blockchain or 5G. I'm very passionate about those technologies and right now all I have to say is simply my own "little speculation". |
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For several months I've been following different aspects related to the development of blockchain and AI. I've learned already that projects similar to DBC (DeepBrain Chain), Singularity or effect.ie are using blockchain for many different purposes.
In very simple words: merging those two technologies (blockchain and Artificial Intelligence) will allow AI to "outsource" computing processing power to global networks. This way major problems (cost of processing data) will be partly solved. Blockchain right now may still be to slow to be considered a permanent/solid solution, but what matters is that this solution (outsourcing processing power) brings new opportunities for AI and it's just a matter of time to speed things up.
 | Another challenge that not many people seem to talk about is the fact that the current "speed of communication" between AI is a thousands times slower than the speed of processing datas itself. Just imagine being able to "think" very fast but if you would want to exchange processed information then you're entering a super slow-motion mode conversation. |
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How annoying would it be? :)
Can 5G be a real improvement in this industry? Possibly. I can only hope to start a discussion with those of you who are tech-savvy and wouldn't mind sharing your knowledge.
SHARE YOUR OPINION
 | I cannot stop wondering if 5G is indeed what we need. How can it improve our lifestyles and what could be potentially cost and consequences of this technology. |
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Would the speed of transferring data also be a breakthrough for Artificial Intelligence? I seriously believe we're entering a very interesting and possibly terrifying times and the best we can do is to build our awareness.
Regardless on weather we care about AI or not, or about 5G, those technologies will become part of our live eventually, the way mobile devices did.
Yours, Piotr
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I have maintained that blockchain tech is the management/logistical tool necessary to scale AI tech. Now 5G is interesting. It would seem, like what HTML5 did for video and tackling the YouTube issue, 5G will do for VR. After all, the selling point is AI and VR.
Now, I have not investigated 5G, so I found it helpful that there are already publicized health concern. Better tackle the problem now than go through seemingly endless update to HTML4 before finding a solution. Especially when it comes to physical (or brain) health, rather than, mere annoyance.
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Greetings dear @crypto.piotr.
I apologize for my tardy response.
We have just left a total Blackout in Venezuela: more than 100 hours without power supply.
As I made reference in a comment to @neavvy, I would love to see the application of AI in a system that allows to optimize the energy distribution in a nation.
Through AI we can study the consumption patterns of a region in order to obtain a better energy performance.
Efforts should be made to develop a system that allows self-sustainability.
This reflection comes to me, because being without electric power, I could realize the dependence we have. All our cryptoactive, our tokens, our wallets would become nothing because they do not have electricity.
Regarding 5G technology.
When reading this publication I could verify that what this technology offers is Velocity. And it's sensible, because that's what we want when we talk about communication.
Holochain
I had not heard of this platform.
But closely related to this I think that the advantages offered by existing networks, whether blockchains or not, should be taken advantage of to make a global interconnection that allows the AI to go further.
A couple of days ago I had a conversation with a dear friend of mine and he told me about "Quant Network". Although AI does not appear among the objectives of this company, its principle could well bring real benefits. Since they have an Operating System for the interconnection of Blockchains. This captured my attention and I've been with this idea for several days in my head. Fascinating!
Dear @juanmolina
It's so great to hear from you again. I already landed in Poland a while ago and I've been quite busy catching up with family and friends.
But at the same time I've heard about your lack of electricity within past few days and I was honestly worried about you @fucho80 and @lanzjoseg like crazy.
I can only imagine how difficult it has been for those who were in the hospitals right now. It must be a real nightmare :/
Wow. I never thought about it. Perhaps you could write a post on this topic and publish on your own profile? I would promote it and also I would transfer some pocket STEEM to you as a small support.
(luckily price went up)
That is so bloody true! I bet most of us cannot even imagine scenario of not having electricity. And in case of blackout ... we end up without anything having any value. Darn...
That could be another amazing topic :) I seriously would love to hear about it :)
Yours
Piotr
I am also glad to hear from you dear friend.
I will gladly try to please you in this proposals that you have made to me.
I guess many of the blockchain technologies are in the proof of concept phase only, they are not even touching the industry phase where companies can see relevant stake and actual implementation.
We need to wait more to see other technological development will support blockchain developments.
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I think 5G needs to be looked at closely. A lot of people are saying it is not so good to humans. But it makes money and is the future, and those who own it live far away from it. I'm writing a small post about the outcome of this tech if it is not kept from harming us...
PS, there is an alternative to blockchain and that is holochain.
Thanks @wales
Guys (@neavvy, @juanmolina) have ever heard about holochain? I never did ....
Thank you @wales for your comment.
It's surely hard to tell what is the truth. Is it really bad or is it not?
I can only hope that more politicians and regulators will get involved and regulate this industry, before it's to late.
Is this "Step this way for machine intelligence" ? Im gonna read it now :)
Cheers
Piotr
I think 5G will usher in a new age of IoT. And imagine every ioT device can also be a node to process Block chain - making blockchain more persistent and “near”. Add AI into mix, and iot can be rented out even. The types of use cases will increase dramatically.
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Dear @sinlg
I would like to thank you for your valuable comment and for sharing your thoughts. I absolutely appreciate it.
Have a great weekend buddy
Cheers, Piotr
5G is very different than the other leaps forward from 1G to 4G. The difference is that the microwaves they will use have a very short range so there will be a necessity to have many more antennas in our communities just for the system to work. Even a person walking in front of the antenna could disturb the system. I just wonder what it would be like to have hundreds of microwave ovens, on at all times, blanketing our neighborhoods. Basically, health issues are real. That said, I don't know if it will be any different than what we have right now. Our communities are already saturated with high frequency wifi signals (just think about how many signals your phone picks up). Will 5G be any different? One thing is for sure, the technology will really start to take off. We will be able to do things that were never possible before, things that have yet to be invented. If you are wondering what I mean, think about how impossible it was to check your email on your phone before the first smart phones came out. A 5G phone will connected to a 5G network will be an entirely new device than anything anyone has ever seen before. That said, it may be time to move out of range, onto the farm, and get a flip phone :)
As I mentioned to @crypto.piotr, I have yet to investigate 5G. I gotta think that satellite tech is of a concern, and yet, this is the first time the word satellite appears on this post/comments.
Figured your reply was the best place to light this fire and see if there is anything to it.
I don't think that Satellites will factor much into the 5G situation. I am not even that sure that satellites do much really since 99% of all internet traffic is through under ocean cable.
https://www.vox.com/2015/3/13/8204655/submarine-cables-internet
I really think 5G will be extremely localized, the frequency is too short to be transmitted over large distances and since geo-sycronistic satellites tend to be at 22000 miles up in the sky, it may be impossible to transmit any form of internet considering the distances. I got to tell you the truth, I am suprised they work at all!
Have you considered the Bitcoin satellite network and our ability to put up working satellites that are smaller than the size of a fist? I am not sure how it would work, but everything seems to be pointing to a leap in technological application.
Wow! That sounds cool! A private network off grid. I like it!
Yes, @matteopaints - thank you so much for this: you are so right - we already live in cultures where we are actively encouraged (or outrightforced) to live and work in conditions/ with materials that totally contradict our wellbeing - and adding another ton of whatever kind of microwave/ offense around us, is likely to mean nothing to big corporations who are profiting, nor even the average citizen, who is so profoundly entrapped by 'time poverty' and the need to be like everyone else, and to have what everyone else has... I personally cannot sleep in a house that has multiple wifi signals - like the blocks of small, modern apartments in the city that my brother lives in: there are around 10 or more full wifi signals operating, and my nervous systems starts shooting pains and prickles all around my being. I live in a medieval quarter with thick, thick walls, which keeps out the signals from mobile phones and other wifis... really important for me... <3 Damn right: move out of range, I agree!
I have a ringing in my ears, pretty much all of the time, they say it is normal tinnitus, but I wonder if it isn't related to all of the background signals that I am constantly surrounded by. (Now that I have posted this I will probably get ads for hearing loss!)
Oooh - that's not so good, Matteo - I'm hoping you find solutions to it.... I sooooo value the silence and the lack of background static around me here!
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Thanks, I’d like to enjoy the silence too😁
Hi @matteopaints
I love how responsive you are buddy,
Yours
Piotr
Well, AI and 5G are the two biggest issues of the technological future. We need to keep our eyes open on this one!
I love how responsive you are @clareartista :)
Cheers, Piotr
It's very happy-making for me, to have interesting topics like these to respond to! 😄
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What means 'time poverty' ?
It's the conventional/conditioned belief that we 'don't have time', or that we have to be somewhere else - the dissipation of our focus, our energy, our mental power, because we're taught to believe in the 'scarcity' of our time. Does this make sense? I'm passionately interested in how we liberate ourselves from this bondage to tension, and realise that we can be free by knowing that time belongs to us, if we learn to flow with it 🙏😊
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Thank you for your great reply @clareartista
Oh, you must be strong believer in our human race :)
Yours
Piotr
Yey - you're welcome, @crypto.piotr! And yes - I am: I'm passionately interested in our potentialising our enormous creative potential! We're in a period of collective self-destruction, however, which needs to be turned around... Lots of work, lots of inspiring to be done!! I've just set up a new project collecting conversations around living-in-the-gift, which I think might be powerful.... www.livinginthegift.com <3
I'm not too worried about this.
It's not like they really are microwave ovens. Electromagnetic wave communications technologies don't need to be powerful only detectable. If 5G really does use less power then that's even lower energy radiation anyway. Ever increasing efficiencies of detection technologies drive down how bright antennas must shine, and the less juice it takes to fling your message the less each byte costs. Also, the closer antennas are together the dimmer they can be to communicate as per the inverse square law, all other things being equal.
It's not like it's ionizing radiation. We're all currently bathed in quite dim microwaves from just the background radiation, and every living thing ever has been too.
I hope you are right!
I absolutely love your comments @a-non-e-moose
Dear @matteopaints
Thank you for your amazing comment. I appreciate. I believe I never had a chance to interact with you before.
That's very true. I've heard that every 300 meters. That would be quite insane.
Indeed. And it seem that most advanced countries will be testing this technology on it's population.
I absolutely agree with you. Could you potentially see how this technology could be used within AI industry?
Hehe I'm still nokia user :)
ps. would you consider using enter sometimes to separate blocks of text? it would make realding much easier :)
Cheers
Piotr
Yey to Nokia - I got my first smartphone a couple of years ago, and find it a lot more bother than it's worth... Takes a lot of energy to switch off all the notifications and inbuilt apps which I have no interest in being distracted by. I would never trust it to sit close to my body in a pocket, and cannot do phone calls of more than a few mins on it... :-)
Dear @clareartista
Thanks for your comment and for being so kind and responsive.
Cheers, Piotr
You're so welcome!
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Hey Piotr, yea I could see this technology being used for AI, it may be the reason that they are introducing it. For now AI is just a bit of an annoyance. I did an experiment recently with a bunch of 20 year olds, all who had their phones out. We talked for about a minute about Rugby, how much we liked to play rugby, that we wanted to buy rugby shirts, and tickets to Rugby games, it was all BS, but then, within a few hours, two of the guys got ads for Rugby on their phones. So, AI is definitly listening to our conversations already. I can't imagine how much more invasive AI will become with a 5G network in place.
Dear @matteopaints
I've heard similar stories several times lately. Scary a bit.
I would like to thank you for your valuable comment and for sharing your thoughts. I absolutely appreciate it.
Have a great weekend buddy
Cheers, Piotr
Thanks!! You too!!
Excellent article @crypto.piotr. I am not sure if you are aware, but there is one extraordinary Polish AI project - Golem (I have once written about it for the Trivial.co platform).
So Golem is that it is a decentralized supercomputer and the biggest problem with it is that it needs to transfer computed data between nodes. This process may be very slow and take more time than the computing itself, which is really frustrating. When I have heard about 5G for the first time, I thought about Golem, as it could provide super fast data transfer for the nodes, ensuring amazing performance of the whole Golem system.
On the other hand, there are some Polish people organizing demonstrations and protests against 5G. I understand caring about our health and agree that we must be especially careful, but some of them treat 5G like another embodiment of satan! This is nonsense for me.
And big thank you for your recommendation!
Dear @neavvy
I wasn't aware that Golem has been created by Polish developers. Seriously? That's amazing!
You nailed it :) We're thinking very alike buddy.
Oh. That's something new. Do you mind sharing link to any news about it?
Cheers
Piotr
@crypto.piotr
Here is sth about Golem:
https://www.spidersweb.pl/2016/11/golem-polski-startup.html
Here is sth about anti-5G demonstrations in Gliwice:
Dzieki
There’s no doubt 5G will change our physical and virtual landscape. However, it’s clear this technology comes with major health concerns too. The wave of the future may also mean a wave of new cancers, illnesses, and disabilities.
More research and studies need to be completed before the entire 5G rollout is complete. The potential health consequences associated with the 5G infrastructure is too great to ignore. If you can, stay in contact with your government and advocate for local control over where 5G mini cell towers are located. We must approach this new technology with respect and caution.
The present and future certainly mean a wave of new cancers, illnesses, and disabilities. There's nothing else to expect with how industry is poisoning the air we breathe, the water we drink, and the land we inhabit.
Advances in medical technology bring those things too, somewhat paradoxically. Those who would've stillborn a mere millennium ago get to lead lives of debilitation today for instance. With life expectancy increase you get more cancer. Every moment you live is a roll of the cancer dice. More moments, more snake-eyes.
If anything I'd hope better telecommunications would help us address these conundra more efficiently.
Those are the sorts of things I think government ought to contend with, if it's to prove some scant use in the ghastly face of itself. Not squabbling over where to put the antennas.
Leave that to the engineers.
Precisely.
Dear @whatsontrend
That is very true. And it seem that most developed countries (the ones with money) will be the ones to test this technology on its population.
Fully agree. We mostly need to introduce some solid regulations.
Very well said. Thank you for your amazing comment.
Yours, Piotr
Did you mean to repeat that first quotation? It reads a bit weird.
Hi @a-non-e-moose
I must admit that your comment made me a bit confused here ....
In the above comment you repeat "The wave of the future may also mean a wave of new cancers, illnesses, and disabilities."
That just struck me as a bit odd.
You're welcome 😊
5G should be stop as it is unneccesary and will also cause harm to humans as well as animals
as for ai i do not see any imminent threats
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Dear @khussan
I think we're past stage when we could stop this technology.
What I know that 5G should be regulated somehow. Right now there is almost no regulations and zero health research has been publicly provided. And that doesnt sound reassuring.
Yours
Piotr
There has been a few observations though birds were dying near 5G testing areas dont know how it would effect humans 🤔
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Interesting article and something my sister recently brought up. I'm going to be researching this more personally. We are the public at risk and the implications could pose a large public threat for health. Thanks.
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Dear @wandrnrose7
Thank you for your comment.
You sister? wow. Usually only guys seem to be talking about those kind of topics. RESPECT :)
It seem that rich and developed countries will be testing 5g technology on it's citizens :) Luckily I'm not from rich and developed country :)
Yours
Piotr
Thank you @crypto.piotr for the respect. I am sad that humans are again being used as Guinea pigs for corporate greed. Cheers, friend.
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This will be good for the people who have access to it. Probably good to invest in 5G companies.
Thank you for sharing your opinion with us @danielfs
Very true.
Yours
Piotr
Excuse my ignorance, but if this technology can have side effects for humans. The ones we use now that have proven effects?
We may not get to know what the effects on people's health, because there are millionaire interests in this matter and when we talk about money and millionaire profits both companies and governments often hide the damage that this represents.
Dear @fucho80
I'm not sure to be honest :) What I know that 5G should be regulated somehow. Right now there is almost no regulations and zero health research has been publicly provided. And that doesnt sound reassuring.
Thx for your comment. How have you been lately? You just went through some blackout in Venezuela? Hope your family is fine.
Yours
Piotr
Ok, it is always good to think about safety and health because we do not know what harmful effects this type of technology can bring.
Dear piotr friend, we are recovering from a 48-hour blackout in my area, there are areas in Venezuela that have been without electricity for more than 100 hours, this is chaos.
But to take it well my family and I made bonfires and dined around it, we sang and tried to bring everything well, for the children.
Thank you for your always pleasant comments, and if I do not answer it is because something is happening.
Right now the service was interrupted for approximately 3 hours.
Dear @fucho80
I'm so glad to see that you're well and safe.
ps.
check out latest post by edgarare1 - you may find his publication very interesting:
https://steemit.com/venezuela/@edgarare1/100-000-steem-for-venezuela
Yours
Piotr
Hello @ crypto.piotr, thank you for sharing your time with the Steem network to inform about the problems that 5G networks can generate.
There is a European guide for the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of diseases and health problems related to electromagnetic fields (EMF-EMF) I put to all readers, the link to the guide in PDF format.
http://www.peccem.org/DocumentacionDescarga/Cientificos/Declaraciones/170913_scientist_5g_appeal_final.pdf
Anyway I will try to get more information on the subject, maybe publish something later.
In the beginning it is believed from the scientific community that indeed the EMF-EMF networks could really be harmful.
Receive a cordial greeting 🤠
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Dear @olimiesma
Thank you for your great comment and for sharing this .pdf file. Definetly very valuable and detailed info. Appreciate.
If you ever do, then please send me memo with link to your publication and I will be happy to check it out and show my support with little upvote :)
Yours
Piotr
Count on it 😉
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I think the health issue is real but it's not limited to 5g that's just an advancement in an existing technology. Daily we are surrounded by radio waves... think people talking on their phones, wifi, laptops, smart cars. We are living in an ever connected world with electromagnetic interference being ever present .
I think 5g is going to happen whether we like it or not. Personally I don't know if this technology is good or bad for our health.
Dear @safetony
Thank you for your great comment.
Indeed. And it will only get more "intense" from what I understand. It really seem that most people here have similar concerns to the ones I have.
Luckily it seem that developed and rich countries will implement 5g first, so this technology will be tested on those countries population first.
Cheers
Piotr
The only think I have heard about it was that they put a 5G tower on a fire station in Northern California for a test and all the firefighters got too sick to work with dizziness and disorientation. So they had to move the tower. I do not have details - I heard this on a podcast a few months ago.
Dear @fitinfun
Wow. That is huge news. Im going to try to find more details about it. Thank you.
Yours
Piotr
The best place to research this is you tube. I know a lot of people are taking about it there, and I am sure this is where I found what I heard. You are in place that censors many videos though, so you might not find them. The eu is the worst for that.
They also have a health diagnosis of "cell phone cancer" in Finland and a couple other countries, I think. Brain cancer and then in your hip for people who carry them in their pockets.
Brain cancer exist even before without this modern technology sir. 5G is created to speed up data and we cannot deny the fact that this technology has increased the pace of our lives. Definitely technology also has negative and positive impact people before lived longer and now that is technology arises, average of age in human reduced. Technology invented to make the best of our lives in terms of improving ourselves.. I just wish that there are also technologies that can make us live longer.. A technology that has no radiation.. Could it be possible? Oh well, I leave that to an expert.. Please make a health friendly technology for us. Thank you sir for sharing this topic.. Take care
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Dear @cinderz
Thank you for your kind reply. I appreciate it a lot.
That's very true. So you're not really concerned about 5G?
He is Malaysian Prime Minister, 93 years old. He has been treated number of times in Singapore and his old blood has been replaced with fresh blood. This treatment must be very expensive, but it makes miracles.
Just look how young this 93 old guy looks like :)
Yours
Piotr
Wow! This is interesting to read.. Thank you sir.. About 5G, well, I don't concern much anymore because I don't have the power to stop it. 😂 Almost every year there are new mobile technology.. People are too busy making money about technology and they forget about how it affects our health.. 5G is a fifth generation and generation by generation technology evolve and ordinary people can't control that but we can control ourselves by not patronizing it if it isn't necessary for us.
As usual we put out a new technology and we don't know all the side effects of it. 5G could be a health hazard, but 4G might already be one as well. Even power lines can cause health issues. Years from now we might have gotten brain tumors just from constantly having a cell phone against your ear. Things that are thought to be great in the beginning have often proven to be detrimental after several years of data have been accumulated.
Dear @sevendust04
Thank you for your amazing comment.
Indeed. But from my understanding there is already tons of regulations around 4G and pretty much no regulations around 5G. And this is where I see major problem.
Yours
Piotr
AI, 5G all are tech breakthroughs. In all the world of man there are lives hazards. Electricity hazards, automobile hazards, aerodynamics hazards, food hazards, water hazards, house hazards, kitchen hazards, rain hazards, snow hazards, wind hazards GSM hazards. I can count more.
As long as there are people whose business it is to EAT, THINK AND SLEEP AND WAKE AND KEEP THINKING. We are bound to have NEW inventions.
My only concern on all these is that there are no enough education on how to minimize the health HAZARDS especially in the third world countries.
#EDUCATETHEWORLD
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Dear @praise-eu
You nailed it. Building awareness is a MUST. And pretty much noone I talk to know shit about 5G. Literally zero. They only know that 5G will be faster. That's very little knowledge.
I would like to thank you for your valuable comment and for sharing your thoughts. I absolutely appreciate it.
Have a great weekend buddy
Cheers, Piotr
Ciao @crypto.piotr, and thanks for linking me to this interesting dialogue! :-)
YEs, absolutely - as per health effects - not only the 'radiation' physical and energetic effects of living near the sources of 5G, but the very real issue of our increasingly addictive relationship with the 'fastness of things' and our conditioning to believe in and act from 'time poverty'- and in particular, the destructive mind-looping and shallow stimulus of having everything on demand; being able to consume at greater and greater speeds, but without real nourishment, wisdom, sharing of information even, behind what we're taking in. This will result in severe toxification of our minds and spirits, and immense apathy (already taking form) and inability to engage with our wills...
I see a distinct shift on conventional social media, and in folks' behaviour in the social everyday - the attachment to perpetual distraction: dissipation of focus and of energy - which in turn very much effects how we are able to interact with each other, and how we're able to function in the world. We are left in states of extreme vulnerability in this way: open to profound manipulation, as we are ungrounded and unable to keep our focus in our core, where our energy comes from.... just following whatever most grabs our attention: really becoming more sheep-like - even intelligent, unconventional folks...
Ultimately, everything has to swing to one extreme, before it is able to build the contrary momentum, to swing back towards equilibrium.. We are living in a very particular age, at the far side of the peak of patriarchal experimentation with all-of-life; we are sliding down the slope, gathering a great avalanche of change, whilst the old structure crumbles...
There are so many factors - environmental, spiritual, energetic, physical, psychological, to name just a few - in play, that it would be a god-mind who could predict where all this will go...! <3
I sense that some great aspect of planet, systems and humanity will have to eliminate itself, in order for something else (better/ more efficient/ less destructive) to survive (it's already self-destructing, self-sabotaging) ... Who knows how AI's logic will interact with all this; whether it might want to intervene, ultimately, or to take control as guardian of life....
PS I have no idea what Flappy Bird is <3
Hi @clareartista
I love how positive you are :)
Thank you for your kind reply. I appreciate it a lot.
Indeed. Surely many people will suffer.
Your comment has been very mature and I value your knowledge and opinion already a lot. Would you mind sharing with me what do you do on daily basis? Just curious.
Cheers
Piotr
Dear @crypto.piotr
Good topic that you place worthy of investigation since these side effects can not only affect those who live near the antennas, it would be good to know the type of internal antenna that mobile devices should have, as well as the domestic tablet computers and desktop computers as this new technology will be connected, we must discard what we have and buy new ones.
there are many questions that are now born thanks to this article ..
I make a parenthesis. In Venezuela, in some cases, 4G technology works only and only in a cell phone operator, I believe and I am sure that as long as we have this government of communist criminals, Venezuela will not be able to use this type of technology.
tu amigo Lanz José
Another thing at the time of writing this comment I can say that in Venezuela at the national level we were more than 72 hours without electricity.
Dear @lanzjoseg
Thx for your comment. How have you been lately? You just went through some blackout in Venezuela? Hope your family is fine.
what? why? I don't get it.
Yours
Piotr
Dear @crypto.piotr
Wow very terrible friend what happens in Venezuela nothing easy to cope with what we are living, We somentes more and more punishments have died more than 200 people for that power failure and more what they are killing just to protest.
Direct consequences of the collapse due to the National Blackout in Venezuela. More than 68 hours
I mean to change equipment for the implemetematios of this new technology, because the current teams may not support it. Example of cellular equipment
Dear @lanzjoseg
I'm so glad to see that you're well and safe.
ps.
check out latest post by edgarare1 - you may find his publication very interesting:
https://steemit.com/venezuela/@edgarare1/100-000-steem-for-venezuela
Yours
Piotr
Welcoming any of these. AI infused with 5G and vice-versa is a great finds of human in a lifetime, with regards to health risk, brain cancer and cancers exists even before technology, the world has medical experts leave that to them, bring that tech on and let it be.
Dear @otom
I would like to thank you for your valuable comment and for sharing your thoughts. I absolutely appreciate it.
Have a great weekend buddy
Cheers, Piotr
AI development can proceed without 5G.
In the issue of health effects of 5g by vicinity of this transmitters, is still about to be proven.
Advocates of anti-5g technology should be collectively pouring their efforts to make a scientific study of it. Government policy makers should sponsor research on this area.
5g is still in the development stage. The technology can be adjusted.
I believe there is more hype to this issue.
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Dear @guruvaj
True. But with 5G it will proceed probably way faster. All our mobile devices will indeed be able to communicate with each other in real time. And process all information also in real time. Something that current technology doesnt allow.
It's both amazing and scary.
I absolutely agre with you. To some degree. What I know that 5G should be regulated somehow. Right now there is almost no regulations and zero health research has been publicly provided. And that doesnt sound reassuring.
Hype is needed. Only hype does bring attention of masses. And that in result usually bring attention of regulators and politicians. Which we need.
I would like to thank you for your valuable comment and for sharing your thoughts. I absolutely appreciate it.
Have a great weekend buddy
Cheers, Piotr
with 5G power can transmit wireless, Phone recharge only use signal... this is save electric bill
Thanks for your comment @azmielbanjary
5G failed because it needs a huge infrastructure to operate globally
Thank you @crypto-simple for sharing your thoughts.
Cheers, Piotr
It all sounds so wonderfull but I am 100% sure not everyone will have that high speed connection once it is there.
We already know its bad for our health just like microwaves and cellphones etc.
I lived in the neighbourhood of Gelredome in Arnhem (Holland) full of all kinds of mast/towers, etc but hardly connection to the internet or phone... trees full of tumors.
Birds drop dead where it is tested. But it will come for sure. Nobody wants healthy people. The pharmacy makes a great income, so do the governments and who needs us if there is AI?
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Dear @wakeupkitty
I believe that at the beginning 5G will only be available in prime locations around the globe. Mostly in developed countries.
Those things are little. It's a bit like comparing home made molotov coctail to TNT :)
Living around microwave isn't such a big deal. Living near to antennas can be way more risky. And worst of all is that we can choose if we want to use microwave and smartphone, but we may not have a choice when it comes to 5g antennas. We may be forced to live next to them. That's not right I think.
Nobody nobody but you ... :)
Cheers, Piotr
Brussels says the whole EU.should have it within.a few years + free internet 😅 good joke... even in developed countries internet sucks
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How developed is a developed country?
Brussels says the whole EU.should have it within.a few years + free internet 😅 good joke... even in developed countries internet sucks
To be honest I also do not believe in the 'free' part of it.
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Hi @crypto.piotr good post as always. I am sorry that I have not been around lately. I hope you are fine and your superb project on Steemit is still growing :)
To the topic:
I honestly have to say that at this point in time I hvae very little knowledge on the new 5G network.
As far as I know, some areas around Berline (Germany) already experimenting with it and it is only a matter of time until they fully implement it there.
I believe that the infrastructure is not yet prepared to fully offer it on a national base. There are still areas around Germany where you have limited Internet (Edge).
It might be a tremendous improvement in speed but for now I do not really see a usecase. The LTE network is more than enough because most applications and streams run super smooth.
I would be happy if you would share your view on my thoughts.
Keep up the good work!
Best,
M
Dear @mcnestler
Thank you for your kind comment buddy. I appreciate it very much.
Why aren't you around? Busy or bored with Steemit (hope not).
Are you from Berlin? I'm thinking about visiting this May.
Indeed. I just travelled across Poland via bus and even 4g in many places / small towns is very weak.
It seem that rich and developed countries will be testing 5g technology on it's citizens :) Luckily I'm not from rich and developed country :)
Enjoy your weekend :)
Yours
Piotr
Hi @crypto.piotr,
A little bit of both, but now I try to give it more effort again :) The mentality and the people around here are just very nice :)
Sadly not, I am from Munich. But when you are planning to come to Munich let me know.
Dear @mcnestler
Fully agree with you :)
Why sadly? Apparently it's a beautiful place. But surely it's far from Berlin :)
ps.
You keep posting really quality content. Perhaps you could always send me memo with link to your publication and 2-3 sentences description ? I will gladly support you with upvote, will drop a comment.
Especially if your publication will be related to crypto,blockchain,AI, economy or psychology (just don't send me memos like every day hehe)
And if I will have some time then I will also share your publication with my larger audience and will help you get some extra traffic.
Please keep in mind, that you can count on my help (whenever I can support you, I will) :)
Cheers
Piotr
@crypo.piotr, thank you very much for your answer or your comment.
Thank you for your kind words i appreciate it. I will try to come up with good content. I am glad that you like it and I really like your support!!!
I'll try to prepare a real "banger" and come back to you ;)
Thank you
Lovely @mcnestler :)
Hi @cryptopiotr! It's hard to make final opinion about 5G
My vision that first of all all new technologies should be safe.
The next one moment again about healf that at current time most of us surrounded by intense electromagnetic field. And this can also affect us.
As an example, I want to tell you that one friend of mine who keeps bees lost half of their bees only because they put a cellular antenna near his house. And the bees could not stand it and flew away from the hive.
With regards to the connection speed, I do not think that everywhere 5G is so necessary. But in certain areas of human activity, this standard should be used.
Therefore, my opinion is that a well thought-out approach should be used in this ray and the use of the standard should take place only where it is necessary and in compliance with safety regulations for the people who will use it.
Dear @travoved
Thank you for your valuable comment. Indeed it's hard to make any opinion about 5G at all. Partly because of lack of research in that field.
WOW. That's my main concerns. Antennas. With 5G then will be everywhere.
I believe that at the beginning 5G will only be available in prime locations around the globe. Mostly in developed countries.
Cheers
Piotr
Hey dear friend @crypto.piotr!
Sorry for late reply-
As I read your article, this is really thoughtful issue about developing 5G technique.So many people have to ready to face economical burden.
As new techniques are developing, the methods of working of a man are becoming easy but the problems are increasing.
I do not think 5G is so much needed because all the work is going on from 4G except for some heavy work. Those who need to do more heavy work, they use broadband. But for a middle class person 5G will not be less than any problem. If it starts from the beginning, after 5G launch, the person will need to change their handset. Its data speed will be so much that the person will have to pay more financially for unnecessary use.
Recently, I have read about some steemit in Venezuela about Active Bloggers, which is not in the position to pay the bill of the room and WiFi bills, yet they are active on this platform by managing somehow. Do they need 5G? It is not that 5G is a basic requirement without which work can not be done. I do not think many people will be in favor of this. Especially the middle class people who are living their life in some way.
Thank you.
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Dear @certain
I would like to thank you for your valuable comment. Have a great weekend buddy
Cheers, Piotr
5G health effects. It's like vaccines... No official research... The Only reason there is no official research is because big corps have smothered those that try to get the research in the public domain.
This has been coming for so long, even since the 1st cellphones came out and look up how Nokia treated the researcher that revealed there are problems.
Also it is very simple actually but jea (to test it's effects)! But how many corporations and government bodies has put their foot down a said: "We will start a program to test this"? None!
I'm beginning to think it is not even worth trying to show people how easy it is to program a brain because what's the use. Big corps and government keep on lying to people and people continue listening to their shit stories (laughing as a write this).
Dear @dpl
I would like to thank you for your valuable comment and for sharing your thoughts. I absolutely appreciate it.
Building awareness can help at least some of us.
Have a great weekend buddy
Cheers, Piotr
@crypto.piotr I rant now and then man. Forgive me
Hi @crypto.piotr though 5g is still not available physically in any country but many countries are testing it and might roll on soon. As far as I know 5g will upgrade data speed to fastest and that speedy data will transform our daily use of internet.
I just imagine how our life is going to change once 5g and AI is available with full fledged infrastructure.
Appreciate your research buddy.
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Dear @alokkumar121
It seem that rich and developed countries will be testing 5g technology on it's citizens :) Luckily I'm not from rich and developed country :)
I would like to thank you for your valuable comment and for sharing your thoughts. I absolutely appreciate it.
Have a great weekend buddy
Cheers, Piotr
Good day, friend @ crypto.piotr.
As always I will follow your recommendations. So far you have indicated me very good readings that allow me to inform myself about issues that I do not manage, but I am in the blocckchain and I must learn about it.
The expectations about 5G are striking. I hope that its development is for the good of humanity.
Today, if the internet allows it (its operation is really bad, after the blackout to which we have been subjected) I will read @neavvy. The images can not open them. It's all part of the same problem. Staying active in Steemit is a great challenge at this moment in Venezuela, when everything contributes to the internet blockade.
A huge!!
♥
Buen día, amigo @crypto.piotr.
Como siempre yo seguiré tus recomendaciones. Hasta ahora me has indicado muy buenas lecturas que me permiten informarme sobre temas que no manejo, pero estoy en la blocckchain y debo aprender sobre ella.
Las expectativas sobre 5G son llamativas. Espero que su desarrollo sea para el bien de la humanidad.
Hoy mismo, si internet lo permite (su funcionamiento es realmente malo, después del blackout a que hemos sido sometidos) leeré a @neavvy. Las imágenes no logro abrirlas. Es todo parte del mismo problema. Mantenerse activo en Steemit es un gran reto en este momento en Venezuela, cuando todo contribuye al bloqueo de internet.
Gracias por estar presente,-
Afectuoso abrazo
@mllg
Dear @mllg
Thx for your comment. How have you been lately? You just went through some blackout in Venezuela? Hope your family is fine.
ps. check out latest post by edgarare1 - you may find his publication very interesting.
Yours
Piotr
Thanks dear @crypto.piotr.
We are o'k but life is not easy.
Every thing is wrong with electricity, water, gas, food, health, anything.
I'll visit him today. Thanks.
Have a nice day
Dear @surika
It seem that rich and developed countries will be testing 5g technology on it's citizens :) Luckily I'm not from rich and developed country :)
Thx for your comment. How have you been lately? You just went through terrible blackout in Venezuela. Hope your family is fine.
ps.
check out latest post by edgarare1 - you may find his publication very interesting:
https://steemit.com/venezuela/@edgarare1/100-000-steem-for-venezuela
Yours
Piotr
every invention has an impact on humans for good or bad .. research should be done and weight the good and the bad ..
If you ask me it should not be stopped because I like fast internet
Thank you @bobskibob for sharing your thoughts.
And have a great weekend ahead. With fast internet :)
Cheers, Piotr
Every tech have there plus and minus we have to accept minus with plus
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Dear @freshindia
Indeed. I cannot argue with that.
What I know that 5G should be regulated somehow. Right now there is almost no regulations and zero health research has been publicly provided. And that doesnt sound reassuring.
Yours
Piotr
A nice observation and breakdown of how 5G technology might be harmful to the health. And seriously i think i will agree with you in a while due to your research but i would like to make more research to be able to confirm how true the information might be.
Nice work boss!!
Dear @adewararilwan
I would like to thank you for your valuable comment and for sharing your thoughts. I absolutely appreciate it.
Have a great weekend buddy
Cheers, Piotr
I think you mean Effect.ai
I don't quite believe 5G tech will have adverse health effects. The electromagnetic radiation should be the same as other techs, albeit a higher amount of power consumption should be expected.
Wikipedia talks about energy savings with 5G a few times actually. I find that pretty interesting given how millimeter waves are attenuated by the atmosphere.
Techs sure get cleverer and cleverer, eh?
Hi @ulqu3
The problem I see is the fact that 5g antennas need to be placed very near to each other (like 300m away) which means that we will be surely more exposed to effects of this tech. Whatever effects would it be.
What I know that 5G should be regulated somehow. Right now there is almost no regulations and zero health research has been publicly provided. And that doesnt sound reassuring.
Thx for your comment buddy,
Yours, Piotr
"...surely more exposed..."
What seems obvious often overlooks nuance.
The inverse square law, which describes how the intensity of long distance effects reduces with distance from their source (such as how a noise sounds quieter the father away you are), can be used to show that with a bunch of nearby antennas vs one far away antenna people in the operational area could be exposed to less radiation.
Also, I think many people are too spooked to hear the word 'radiation' in relation to electromagnetic waves. There's a big difference between ionizing radiation and non-ionizing radiation in terms of how they interact with biological systems. Non-ionizing radiation, like that used in these technologies, is quite significantly less dangerous to biological systems. Visible light is non-ionizing radiation. So is the life giving infrared light from a campfire, that keeps an otherwise frozen person alive.
I'm tempted to make my own post about multiple antennas, radiation exposure, and tangentially 5G, where I show the math I'm talking about for the inverse square law.
That might do better as a comment to this post though, or maybe just be too nerdy for anyone to care.
I like the robust discussion here! Thanks @crypto.piotr.
Dear @a-non-e-moose
I really enjoyed that too :)
Cheers buddy, Piotr
Hello @crypto.piotr
I rode that it appears 5g is dangerous for health and environment..
Ok it has still to be proven.. nevertheless I am full of doubts (it is obviously only my point of view).
I like new technologies, but in everything we'd have to use philosophy too. If we are not able to control and contain it, if it is dangerous (like nuclear energy for example, that goes regularly out of control..),If we create and sell technomogies without being sure that it is really safe, just because we speculate in a very close futur, so it expose us to big health and catastrophic environmental problems.
Sure it is already the case, we live in a very catastrophic environmental shit.
But maybe governments and big business companies are trying to depopulate the planet and generating profit at the same time ..
I can't say for sure, but it looks like.
(after all we have, for example , Bayer Monsanto.. the "new" people, animals and nature exterminator, legally sponsored by governments all over the world .. cool.. just that fact says a lot about the state of mind of money people.. )
...
How much is it for a cancer? Big money..
I'll be really glad to be wrong.. but one more time it sounds like..
When technologies are made at the expense of health, life and common sense, for profit by denigrating the consequences then we can't call that evolution.
I hope 5g will not be an enormous (and extremely fast) pain in the ass.
(but I don't know why.. I am dubious like a motherf#@#$%..)
Peace
@skyblues
PS: please excuse my English, I am doing a lot of mistakes in this language and the style is probably a bit clumsy.
(But, come on, I will make some progress... :p )
Dear @skyblues
AMAZING reply. WOW.
It seem that rich and developed countries will be testing 5g technology on it's citizens :) Luckily I'm not from rich and developed country :)
I would like to thank you for your valuable comment and for sharing your thoughts. I absolutely appreciate it.
absolutely :) you mind sharing where do you come from?
Have a great weekend buddy
Cheers, Piotr
Hey @crypto.piotr
I am from France .
Regards
@skyblues
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Hi @skyblues
France? Land of revolutions? :)
Cheers, Piotr
Hi @crypto.piotr,
Yes let's say like that.. :)
But recently France is not in a good mood.. big crisis ..
A real shitty president and politics (they literally spit at the face of the people ).. No justice, (Sarkosy is still free ;) ...).. yellow jackets etc etc...
The situation is a bit complicate..
Peace
@skyblues
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Thank you for your comment @skyblues
Sorry for such a late reply. Just wanted to let you know that I only had a chance to read your comment now and I appreciate you being so responsive.
cheers
Piotr
Nice point of view I must say, But I am missing the memos, do share I am a part of community.
My idea is that health is more important than anything else. Compared with health, there is no 5G is not important
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Thank you @aellly for sharing your thoughts.
Cheers, Piotr
Progress and development like 5G generally was initiated to solve or improve issues like speed and clarity, which I believe. Regardless or regarding the health concerns in the future and today, just like pollutions, radiation and uv rays, I just hope that our body can also adopt and naturally evolve to protect ourselves.
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Dear @jackramsey
You nailed it.
I would like to thank you for your valuable comment and for sharing your thoughts. I absolutely appreciate it.
Have a great weekend buddy
Cheers, Piotr
Happy to hear that, thanks and more power.
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I’m no techy but I imagine that if the technology’s antennaes are hazardous to one’s health then it is quite possible that the devices that use such technology might be dangerous too. No? An advance in technology is always great but hopefully we practice safe use. The big industry people are concerned about making their coin - we can’t depend on them to protect us. My two cents.
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Dear @missaj
Thank you for your kind comment buddy. I appreciate very much your 2 cents :)
Enjoy your weekend :)
Yours
Piotr
Dear Piotr @crypto.piotr - waiting to hear how tha big move went !!
~ B'Lance
Big Move?
What do you mean @lanceman?
@crypto.piotr I think "pretty much unlimited speed" is a bit hasty.
I'm sure that if people from 20 years ago could see the networking speeds we got 10 years ago, they would be mighty impressed. It might even seem like you could do anything instantly. But things are a lot faster today, and it still seems slow in many cases.
We'll find ways to use up the still limited speed, and that will give us reason to be impatient even with 5G.
Dear @a-non-e-moose
That's for sure. We could be impressed with the current speed of things. And 5G is being advertised as almost unlimited speed and comparing to 4G it really seem to be super fast. I cannot imagine that we could possibly be impatient with speed of 5G but who knows.
Thx for your comment
Piotr
I'm just saying developers will see this expanded capacity as an opportunity to expand the complexity of implementations.
We'll come up with new stuff to do with all that extra speed laying around and it won't be laying around for long.
We'll push the limits, just like always. It doesn't matter how far away we set those limits, and there are always limits.
Just like we always do.
Thx for being always so supportive dear @a-non-e-moose
I have also heard about the development of 5G network but i thought it was put on hold due to the health concerns that were raised by some humanists. Is it still in progress?
i think 4g is pretty good and fast maybe we should stick with that or better get a safe mechanism measures to put in place so that all the harmful rays of 5g installation would not affect people close by. My humble tick :)
Yours Ikkelins
Dear @ikkelins
Thank you for your comment.
Yep.
It seem that rich and developed countries will be testing 5g technology on it's citizens :) Luckily I'm not from rich and developed country :)
Yours
Piotr
I don’t know anything about 5G technology and health affects.
But I know that all the current technology we use , weather it is a microwave, tv, computer or phone .
They all produced a certain amount of radiation.
Logic would say the more electronic devices we have and use, the higher our chance of developing cancer.
Do you know how much damage 4G is doing to us ? For all I know it could be just as bad as 5G.
These are all questions they should ask before releasing it .
Also doing our own research on these things can help us make our own decisions on the matter.
Thanks for sharing.
Have an awesome day!
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Dear @mickvir
Thank you for your amazing comment.
From my understanding the problem is that 5G require antennas to be placed very near to each other. With 4G most antennas are quite far and we're not as exposed to radiation. That's anyway my understanding.
You nailed it.
Yours
Piotr
This raises some relevant questions, but I'd say they are hardly limited to 5G. In fact, electricity itself poses many issues, and I know people who have moved house for the sole reason that there were many electrical wires running on poles just meters from their house. They did not want the exposure to those amounts of electricity, and their fears were probably well founded.
And what about cell phones themselves. Their safety has long been a topic of debate. Some people will not carry a cellphone on their person, only in a bag. Others are adamant that they will not use a cellphone, simply because of the electro-magnetic fields.
Dear @majes.tytyty
Thank you for your comment.
That make sense. The problem with 5G seem to be is that antennas need to be very close to each other so it may be hard to move to another house, which wouldn't be affected. At least that's how I understand this problem so far.
It seem that rich and developed countries will be testing 5g technology on it's citizens :) Luckily I'm not from rich and developed country :)
Yours
Piotr
I like the way you phrased "will be testing 5G tech on its citizens." Sounds ominous. I'm staying here in Thailand. :-)
I wish you would be my daddy and I could stay with you in thailand @majes.tytyty :)
But you're to young for that hehe
Hi @crypo.Piotr Excellent article, very interesting, congratulations for such a good explanation of the topic. I am not an expert in the subject only come by following some readings on AI. I am surprised the effect gives the combination AI+5G, according to your approach can be dangerous. I have already commented to others who write on this, afraid of the AI even if it turns out to be paranoid. I would like to know, ire reading comments to nurture my knowledge. Thank you for providing this article.
Dear @belkisa758
I appreciate your kind words.
Thx for your comment. How have you been lately? You just went through some blackout in Venezuela? Hope your family is fine.
Yours
Piotr
ps.
check out latest post by edgarare1 - you may find his publication very interesting:
https://steemit.com/venezuela/@edgarare1/100-000-steem-for-venezuela
Yours
Piotr
Greetings @, thanks for sharing I will keep the information.
In Venezuela we have a big problem of light and internet. Greetings.
Dear @mariita52
Thx for your comment. How have you been lately? You just went through some blackout in Venezuela? Hope your family is fine.
Yours
Piotr
Dear Piotr.
everything is fine.
I think they trained me for these situations.
That's why I do not lose patience.
For me, it is putting into practice what I have learned.
all in my family well.
Thanks for asking.
Dear @mariita52
I'm so glad to see that you're well and safe.
ps.
check out latest post by edgarare1 - you may find his publication very interesting:
https://steemit.com/venezuela/@edgarare1/100-000-steem-for-venezuela
Yours
Piotr
Lo siento acabamos de pasar muchas hora sin corriente eléctrica, sin comunicaciones de ningún tipo, es muy duro, pero siempre pendiente, lo abras leído en las noticias y notarias nuestra ausencia, gracias. @crypto.piotr