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RE: A softer form of tyranny

in #blockchain7 years ago

I'm surprised reading this article. What I was expecting was for you to bring up the unbelievably barbaric practice of VOTING for judges.

When I heard that Americans vote their judges in I spit my coffee out! I couldn't think of a less fair way to decide what punishments are doled out than to let the crowd decide the judge!

You might as well have mob rule. I don't say that ironically, this is de facto mob rule, and I lay the blame primarily on this for America's problem with over-punishment.

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I don't think that's how it works. Not totally sure, but I've never heard of an election for a judge. I think how it works is they're appointed by politicians or a committee or something.

I can't imagine it would really work any differently in other countries. Where are you from and how do your judges get picked?

In the US the judge has a relatively unimportant role. They're more the referee, making sure both sides follow the rules and stuff so that the case is laid out correctly for the jury. They don't decide guilt or innocence. So if nothing else it's probably less barbaric than most other countries, but still much worse than what we're capable of when we coordinate better in a decentralized way.

Oh, sorry, I didn't notice this response somehow!

I'm Canadian, but what matters is: I'm not american. No one else in the world decides their judges this way. We appoint our judges, same as every other government position. We choose our leaders, but we let them lead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/world/americas/25iht-judge.4.13194819.html

"In the US the judge has a relatively unimportant role. They're more the referee"

Uhhhh... that's kind of the same thing... I might be wrong, but don't both of those mean someone who adjudicates the rules between two parties?

"We appoint our judges, same as every other government position. We choose our leaders, but we let them lead."

I think this is pretty similar to how it works in the US. Personally I've never heard of an election for judges. A quick google search does say:

Some states hold "retention elections" to determine if the judge should continue to serve.

So it's only certain states, and seems it's only judges who were appointed in the first place. That's a lot different than voting a judge in by election. It's essentially giving the public an opportunity to evaluate and overrule the government's selection. (I don't see what's barbaric or problematic about that.)

And, from my googling around anyways, it seems most judges don't even face these retention elections. So "Americans vote their judges in" seems maybe like loosely based on something accurate but not really accurate.

"Uhhhh... that's kind of the same thing... I might be wrong, but don't both of those mean someone who adjucates between two parties?"

I mean, whether or not I used the word correctly, the important part was my next sentence:

They don't decide guilt or innocence

They're the "referee" in terms of making sure each side follows the correct procedures and whatnot during the trial (like, "objection your honor, he can't ask that of the witness"), but then it's the jury who determines if someone is guilty or innocent.

That seems like a smaller role compared to systems where the judge decides guilt or innocence.