Background of the Bots
I have been using Bid Bots on Steemit for some time. I know the proper way to use them but never knew the history until now.
- Wave 1
"When it first comes to I pay, you vote, the very first to sell votes explicitly are @randowhale and @whaleshares. Whaleshares is done by some of the creators of bitshares (made by the co-creator of steemit). You buy or earn whaleshares, hairshares, or beyondbits on the Bitshares Decentralized Exchange (Dex). If you send 1 SBD to rando, you will get a random % vote."
- Wave 2
"After these OGs, @minnowbooster and BuildTeam were founded. MinnowBooster has a feature where you provide them posting authority so that they can vote and provide you 40% of the profits. They sell votes at 270% ROI. So you get a 2.7 SBD vote for every $1 SBD you send. There are easy limitations for it that you can customize. @BuildaWhale was created around wave 2. This was the first bid bot, but it has a massive value so in the early days you got incredible returns. This was especially true when it didn't get the reach it now has particularly with steembottracker. Qeue list bots were created around this time as well. This was where you would send the post link and wait until the bot refills VP and then vote 10 posts from the list. These have the highest ROI with @lays giving 270%, Tpot gave 300% for a while, and @bumper which was 300% up until recently. I am a part of both of these teams (Bumper and TPot)
- Wave 3
"Now we have over 70 bid bots. SteemBotBtracker made it easy to fill and overfill the bids. This often led to harshly negative ROIs. This is essentially you paying them x fee for bidding and y cost for the vote. To understand, the important ROI is the liquid SBD you get from payout. Because of the 50/50 split, you need 200% ROI (2x the cost value) in order to break even **if voted first on post when it first posts). Otherwise, you get 75% and give 25%. This means anything below 250% is already a loss. You can consider the SP as adequate for anything above 200% ROI, but again this isn't a liquid currency."
The Shift in Dynamic
"Bid Bots then kept blowing up. Left and right.
"With the help of steembottracker loading up the bids and overfilling, the bots became way to profitable to run. This meant everyone was creating one. This had several unfortunate side effects. Firstly, this shifted the wealth upwards towards a few whales running the bots and the average money left in minnow hands to be much less. Afterall, if you get negative ROI or still earning less liquid than paid, you aren't growing your wallet and only slowly growing your SP at a much smaller rate... then you turn around and give up your SP to help these bots!"
The Circular Inflation of Delegation Markets
So when a bid bot gets SP, where do they turn to?
"MinnowBooster SP Delegation Market. Prior to bid bots, it was easy to lease SP for personal usage. After, it became harder. Due to the incredible profits, bid bots were willing to pay more than average leasers would be willing to shovel. This, accompanied by the explosion and invasion of bid bots on the market, meant the delegation market became ruined... the only people delegating were dolphins. As a minnow, if you managed to hussle 100 SP to delegate, you would have decent ROI on being able to delegate SP, but where are you spending that SBD? To the very same bots! Your money is being circularly drafted from your pocket to whale pockets, fee taken, then given back to you so that you don't even notice the slow drain to your wallet."
Above info from @jpederson96
https://steemit.com/blog/@jpederson96/blogging-around-day-58-so-you-made-a-bid-bot
The Need to Add BS Filler To Please Those That Feel I Am Plagiarizing
Even though I gave credit to the source of the above information certain users find the need to comment that I am plagiarizing stating that
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So to please this user and avoid flags from other users that simply piggyback off larger accounts I will add some of my own 2 cents.
I like Bid Bots I think the idea is pretty cool and the tracker site is helpful I just wish that if a user over bids the max profitable amount remaining, then that bid gets carried over to the next round to avoid negative ROI for the previous bidders.
Source: https://steemit.com/blog/@jpederson96/blogging-around-day-58-so-you-made-a-bid-bot
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Thank You!
Before I created this post I asked @jpederson96 specifically for permission to copy paste this section of his post as my own post and was given permission I then added this exact url you have in your comment to the bottom of my post saying "Above info from @jpederson96" before the copy pasted portion I put my own words "Background of the Bots
I have been using Bid Bots on Steemit for some time. I know the proper way to use them but never knew the history until now."
So I did add something original do you have a minimum character amount of originality you are referring to but not mentioning in your determination?
Please let me know!
@adm does my response get a $1.00+ upvote lol
You should be fine
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Nice information we have here but as it stands now. Which are the best bots to use
In my opinion @randowhale seems to be the best because regardless of how many users send in SBD and links during the Awake time everyone gets a profitable returning upvote. Where as the bid bots if anyone bids over the max profitable bid during a given bidding round everyone will receive a negative ROI upvote.
Thanks. Whats a negative Roi
just know that this propaganda is to steer you toward the bots they want. It is also no where close to a real history of bots. Also know that this overbidding they talk about was actually happening before steembottracker came out because there was no way to actually know if you had overbid or not. Back then some bot owners banked on the fact that you would overbid. In fact, when it first started it was even being called "The bot killer".
Don't believe me? Ask @yabapmatt himself, he didn't like hearing that name for his wonderful creation. Since the bot tracker came out this has actually been a near impossibility. Now people can see exactly how much they are expected to get and even those that bid very late in the round can tell if it will be a negative roi (return on investment)or not. Go the the tracker and look yourself. steem bot tracker. Your assumed ROI is very clear and if you look long enough you will see that people are using this application to make sure they do not get negative returns. Look at the blue button on each bot called " details" it will show you the last round and all votes on it (set it to rewards not usd or it will just be confusing).
Lastly, have you noticed that you are the only other person in this conversation besides the person who posted it and the person that he took it from?
If you want to know what bot is good to use know that people like (specifically the man that originally wrote this garbage pile) have a clear stance against bots as a whole so for them to tell you which bot is "good" is already fishy.
If you really want to know what bots are good then look at the bots. Remember that bots offer a service. Read their rules. Do they seem fair? What are they doing? Are they responsive to people, like do they respond to comments? Do they give refunds if you mess up (some don't)? Are they on top of missed votes and taking care of their customers? Do they respond to their customers?
Never let someone tell you what bot is good... Determine that on your own.
Yea I use the Bot tracker by @yabapmatt often and voted him witness because of my appreciation for it. And you are correct about doing research even some bots that show that they give a refund sometimes won't I have had almost no issues getting an auto-refund on non eligible posts except for with just one bot ( @adriatik ) that even has the auto-refund symbol but did not refund me. I even contacted the account on the chat and after over a week was finally responded to with
I responded with
Since that I never got another response nor did I get a refund or upvote. That was back in January so I just gave up and have since not used the bot.
research is pretty key