This post will prove the key problems with steem: API, Stake-Weighted Voting, and "Propaganda Machine Echo Chamber"

in #beyondbitcoin8 years ago (edited)

You may believe me, you may think I am just a hater. I don't care.

Fact is that I like this platform, and I want to see steem back at $3 or $4, not at it's current pathetic levels. I have learned more than I thought a web site could help me to by using steemit, and I have met more incredible people than I could ever have fathomed a web site could help me to meet. These are statements of absolute fact. Feel free to ask me about it any time, any day, and I'll never deny these facts.

Today I saw a post from a friend of mine that I met on steem, @furion. It has earned a great deal of money in terms of today's steem prices, $95 or so. I felt that it was too charitable and did not actually address the issues that steem is facing, and I've copied his post, pasted it in, and will be adding in my rebuttals to the things that I think are inaccurate, and adding information to things that I find incomplete.


I have been privileged enough to have acquired a diversified portfolio of coins and digital assets, like Ethereum, Dash, Monero, Maidsafe, Steem, Bitshares and many others.

(Good for you, @furion! You're financially smarter than I . )

While performing analysis of my digital portfolio, I realized I had strongly underperformed Bitcoin. Had I simply bought and held Bitcoins in the past year, I would have had 270% gain in the dollar terms, however I came short of that by a hefty margin. What gives?

After some investigation, I've noticed that most of the top coins from a year ago have underperformed Bitcoin. The two notable exceptions are Dash and Monero, which have outperformed Bitcoin.
(I really, really want to understand Dash's recent explosion. I had thought that Monero was technically better due to the ring signatures, but Dash just dashed right by like Monero didn't even exist. If anyone can offer technological insights or social insights into why this is, please contact me by e-mail at faddat@gmail.com or by google hangouts at faddat@gmail.com)

The core competencies of the fastest growing coins seem to be revolving around utility of payments.
(@furion, can you give some examples, please?)

As a thought experiment, lets imagine Steem was just a very practical and widely used digital currency.
8 reasons why STEEM is the best digital currency

  1. Its blazing fast. 3 second block times, with guaranteed confirmation in under 45s. That beats Bitcoins 3600s confirmation time, or sometimes, when blocks are full or paid fee is too low, much longer.
    @furion - this is true, but graphene is by no means the fastest anymore in terms of block times. Tightly coupled tendermint clusters have block times of 6/10 second per block, and in real-world tests of loosely coupled global chains we do about a block per second.
  2. Its FREE. Seriously, 0% transaction fees. Bitcoiners core marketing message was that you can send money to everyone for next to nothing, which is not true anymore.
  3. Its super convenient. (I can send money to @ned with 2 clicks, unlike BTC where I need to ask him for his long hard to remember, easy to mess up hexadecimal address or have to scan some silly QR code or something)
  4. It comes with a STABLE coin pegged to USD, which is great for merchants or people whom do not want market volatility exposure
  5. It has balanced safety and convenience. You can store your money in a savings wallet, which will notify you when withdrawal is initiated. Withdrawal takes 3 days, during which time you can cancel it and change your keys or even restore your account if it gets hacked (good luck getting a billion+ USD of stolen bitcoin back). You can do all of this in an web-app, with 0 technical skills.
  6. It comes with built in escrow. Seriously, if you don't trust someone to do their part (ie. in a mercantile exchange), just escrow the transaction with a trusted 3rd party.
  7. It is efficient. Steem can process a couple of orders of magnitude more transactions than Bitcoin. Bitcoin side effects on the world are catastrophic - PoW consumes massive amounts of electricity that could be used to power big cities, and turns it into heat, creates thousands of tons of CO2 daily, fills our landfills with toxic electronics (mining equipment), destroys millions of hours of human productivity and all this, just to run a stupid bruteforcing program with no useful side effects other than powering measly few transactions per second.
  8. Its censorship resistant. Unlike centralized digital cash, like that of PayPal or your online bank, Steem transactions cannot be censored, and no funds can be witheld from you by some government or corporation. You should be free to do with your money whatever you please, because you are free as in freedom.

I wish to make it very clear that I agree with my friend @furion on all of points 1-8.

I have always enjoyed the payment properties of Steem, however it never occurred to me that this is actually Steem killer feature, a gem hiding in the plain sight.

I think too much time has been spent on the blogging aspect of the platform, and some of us forgot how good is the payment side of things.
@furion - C'mon man, if you remove the blogging, guess what? You've just got bitshares and that's existed for a long time.

Questions
How cool would it be to have a Xapo like debit card, that is funded with STEEM/SBD, and acts as a bridge between digital and legacy real world?
It would be excellent.

What if we could pay for more things and services online with STEEM/SBD?
I would have loved that, but the API is straight-up fucked. No, it's not broken the way that I thought it was when I told the world I thought the API was entirely insecure, it's nonetheless straight-up fucked. Since you've coded against it, I think you get where I am coming from here.

Can we think of any applications, other than blogging, that would tie in nicely with STEEM as transfer of value?
Not really. You and I both Tried to build them, @furion, but the API is straight up fucked as I mentioned above, so they're prohibitively time consuming to build.

Present Issues with STEEM/SBD as a currency

SBD
SBD is being removed from circulation, for financial reasons I wont go into for now. But basically, as the value of STEEM is USD terms drops, the USD pegged SBD needs to be destroyed to eliminate the risk of systemic failure.
Lowering the monetary base of the currency also lowers its liquidity on external exchanges, and the monetary velocity drops as less and less people have and use the currency.
@furion - you're talking about the automated replacement of sbd with steem that occurs when the steem price drops, correct? I don't take issue with that, and understand why it occurs. Too bad the straight-up fucked API doesn't permit building things on top of Steem easily, as that would exponentially increase the dev pool. We can't all be great gods, people.

STEEM
And as for STEEM...who in the world would want to hold a currency that keeps losing its value? How do we course-correct, and stabilize the price?
Here are my answers:

  • Fix the goddamned API instead of denying that it's a weakness.

Questions

What are some practical things we could do now, to reverse the price trend, and allow people to save in Steem and sleep well at night?

  • Fix the goddamned API instead of denying that it's a weakness.

Would a long period of price stability, coupled with growing usage and utility of the network be sufficient to kickstart Steem onto a path of becoming a major digital currency?

  • Not without fixing the goddamned API

How do we introduce what we have to the world?

  • Fix the goddamned API and let developers take this chain to the world.

I realize that my answers to Furion's really intelligent questions were a bit repetitive, but I've saved the best for last

Here's my definitive proof that steemit as it exists today is fucked. My post is going to earn less money than @furion's because I talked openly and specifcially about problems with steemit. Until stake-weighted voting is reformed or eliminated AND stake is better distributed between stakeholders, steemit shall remain fucked because it's impossible to constructively discuss problems with the platform.

You may say that this is just because I'm writing dawn with @baabeetaa but you'd be dead wrong. Dawn will have blogging tools, it's true, but there's a reason I have found it easier to build a blockchain development team and a blockchain than build these tools that desperately need to be created for Steemit. Steem's API is totally FUCKED and UNDOCUMENTED! Worse, its developers (publicly) state that all is hunky-dory while privately acknowledging that their API is not so hot.

Why are you building Dawn?

We're building dawn because we can't build tools that a very good friend of mine (@officialfuzzy) paid good money (well, I can't really say how good it is as as money with an API like this, but I totally can say that I turned it into good money after receiving it) for us to build on Steem, and because we liked the central concept of steemit: people's ideas are worth money, and we can use blockchain systems to credit people for sharing their ideas with others. That is both true and hot as hell. My hat goes off to Mr. Dan Larimer, aka @dantheman, aka @dan for coming up with this brilliant innovation. Really. @dan if you're ever available, we want to hire you. You're brilliant, and I mean that sincerely. If you ever, ever want to speak with me, I'm on google hangouts almost constantly, and you can reach me there at faddat@gmail.com. Weather you think of me as Friend or FUD-spreading-foe, I'll take time out of my day to talk to a man from whom such golden, revolutionary concepts flow. And I'd much rather be friend than foe, @dan. Call me any time. I will answer.

Please have a look at what my content has earned since I became an open well-intentioned critic of this platform's API (In a manner that, except for one post, which I will admit, was dead-wrong in its initial assertion ( @abit, thank you very much for the link.) that Steemit's cryptography was entirely broken. Dead wrong. I was dead, 100% wrong. Anyway, my content's earned approximately jack shit. This creates the worst kind of feedback loop: The destructive kind.

So after I gave up on Steemit fixing Steem's API, I began to think of ways to improve upon what's been built here. This is what I came up with (Please, feel free to make suggestions in the comments):

  • API libraries for every language supported by grpc/protobuf (it's not all of them, but it's a hell of a lot) (I suggested this to steemit many times-- please look through my post history if you don't believe me)
  • Elimination of voting - Hits and external social shares are much, much better metrics than voting, and don't require the conscious act of voting. Both can be gamed to a degree, but as I think many of us can agree, @sweetsssj's account proves that stake-weighted voting can be gamed, too. As for her, of course, I congratulate her: Systems are made to be gamed and she has gamed well. I salute you, @sweetssj! You will leave this platform both better writer and a hell of a lot wealthier! APPLAUSE! Getting rid of voting also opens the window for tipping, sponsorships, and more.
  • "Propaganda machine echo chamber" - Dudes, let's face it this is the most advanced propaganda machine ever built. The cognitive dissonance around here is astounding. Sadly, what makes for good propaganda does not produce user delight.

There's other stuff, too, but I'll wait till our next test network is up to spill beans on these other things.

Anyway, those are the key differences in my mind, and I need y'all to understand: I think that THIS site should have been a billion dollar platform, and would have been if the tooling were there, but it ISNT and folks just throw eggs at other folks who try to bring the problem to light. Now, I realize that this is because the propaganda machine (the economic incentives) are driving them to do so, and that's why I say it's indicative of a seriously ill platform. Now, just because I couldn't create what I was paid to here didn't mean I was going to give up, FUCK NO I DO NOT GIVE UP, NOR DOES ANYONE I WORK WITH.

.....so we are building our own chain, and the tools we were paid to create. Sometimes I had to drag my poor friend and customer @officialfuzzy there kicking and screaming, but I'm going to take him to the one billion to one trillion dollar market cap promised land of users getting paid to create incredible content and more because he backed me even when I was just learning to code, and I'm eternally grateful. To everyone working on dawn, I want to say that my faith in our project comes from my faith in you.

@rampant - you don't just write a mean front end for some of the biggest sports organizations on earth, you're bright, hardworking, and downright ballsy. I gotta get you rich, you didn't kill me after or during China ;).
@Menta - Your Steemit SEA meetup made it all possible man. We should probably throw another one of those :).
Lov - You don't speak too much English, and I don't speak too much Khmer, but somehow you've left me with the distinct impression that you're a wonderful mom to your kids wife to Nov, and surely you're a hell of a lot more to Dawn than we've been able to pay you for thus far. Thank you for all of it :).
@travopolis - Please, remove the kickstand from your motorcycle. You're far, far too awesome to get exploded due to a kickstand malfunction. Also, how could I ever repay you for all the things you've done to help us build DAWN? Well, I could use cash, but I'd surely rather use crypto, and I guess I really can't repay you cause you've gone far beyond money sir.
@baabeetaa - We've actually worked together for quite some time now and the fact of the matter is that the day HaiBac introduced me to you, my life changed for the better. Privileged to be working with you to this day. Thanks for taking the time to understand my crazy ass, I hear it's not always easy :).
@forrest-willie - where do I even start dude? I've always been honored that you chose to come out here, hell frankly I am honored that anyone chose to make changes in their lives to join this scrappy band of blockheads. Over the past few weeks you've validated some of our core ideas, and yet you thank me-- sir, it is I who must thank you! (he and I do this thing, you see. Apparently we work quite well together, cause we're always thanking one another for the privilege, and it's SO a two-way street.)
Nov - Your hard work dedication and willingness to go above and beyond the call of duty to help us bring this project to life is incredible.
@watervapor - You're a maverick who inspired me to clean up my computing environment and eschew advertising in every way I can. You also inspire others to have confidence in themselves. So what I'm saying is that you are by far the most "got their shit together" 26 year old I've ever met, and working with you on Dawn makes every minute I ever spent at the Ally bank call center look like the world's best possible investment of my time. Don't ever stop doing you, just like you do. I, too, am glad of Buffalo's newfound sanity.

To the others who haven't come out of the Dawn closet yet, I want to sincerely thank you. Each of you has contributed immensely to our project.

Fuz, your faith in me has strengthened me as a programmer and as a person, and I'm better off because I know you. Thank you.

To steemit, inc:

Everything we've built is open source. You can finally spruce up your API, and then it'd be an actual contest between Dawn and Steem, or you can finally spruce up your API, and Dawn and steem can do things that blockchains haven't done before together. The choice is yours, and I challenge you to be bold this time around. Bitching/throwing eggs doesn't suit creators of revolutionary concepts well at all. I suppose you could also continue to deny that there are serious issues surrounding your API, and allow the community here to die, that's a possiblity, too, but I just don't think any of you is that stupid. Feel free to prove me wrong if that's what you want to do, though.

To graphene community:

Don't anyone dare give fuzzy any shit about the direction I dragged him in kicking and screaming. He's a great guy and if it were possible I'd have built it the way he asked me to. Fact is, I didn't have any choice, and I didn't give him one. We're going to finish what he hired me and @baabeetaa to do, but it sure as hell won't be using the tools he asked us to use, and it doubly sure as hell isn't just some minor code project any longer. Sadly, that's not possible, and attempts to inspire changes from the makers of those tools earned @baabeetaa and myself scorn and derision. Rather than give our friend nothing, we are going to do it our way.

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I honestly think most people will be afraid to get on this post. There seems to be a lot of people walking on eggshells here lately. I just got through saying that to someone. I have friends involved in every single one of the debates it seems, on all different sides. I was involved myself for a moment, I've only recently realized that what i was defending wasn't, or shouldn't have been anyway, one of the guilds, but rather people in the guild that I like very much.
I also have some friends that are adamantly opposed to some of the guilds and their actions, whom I also like very much. Being in this position lets me see how crazy it has really gotten with either people taking sides or people being afraid of saying or doing something that makes it appear they've taken sides.
Considering all of that, the timing of this post is interesting. Have you launched?

We haven't yet. Please let me get you the current demo URL link, one moment....

http://163.172.170.188:8000/

Strongly suggest you try uploading a video and putting it in your post, with no third party hosting it. If you need help with the process, please just let me know.

FYI:

Any token is entirely demo. It will be reset when the chain is launched. If you want to play with our system, we're actually really glad of it, and if you find a bug or even many bugs we implore you to make a post and throw it right there for all the world to see. We want it to be seen, so that it can be fixed.

Tuan ( @baabeetaa ) and I are trying to hammer out a final task list for "what we need to do before we launch".

We've nearly finished finding attorneys to do a proper Swiss foundation style ICO that isn't legally ambiguous in any way. We don't have any details on the timing on that just yet, but hopefully the fact that we're about to plunk all of the project's USD and a great deal of personal USD into lawyers who can help to ensure our chain's long-term success will show people that we're deeply committed to a quality, equitable and quick-as-possible launch of our chain.

I have to create an account with glogchain to try it, right? I'm already lost. Sorry, my strong points are purely creative, anything technical escapes me. It asked for a username and private key. I attempted to have it generated for me, but I did something wrong.

Correct: It's a bit confusing the way it works currently. Would you be OK with me making you one and posting the key here as the whole chain itself is going to get blown up several times before release?

Sure.

secret:
"JRT`7"u,!BVsS}X\c87J$z=.TFWe%p!

PriKey:
6610ACD0E915E65447BE200912A2560F85FFC9390F1F5462BD69089F0CD965CAF1CD952F0D68C5446FC03A5F61F01E16537D52A79F76B654A95BCC7305BBE88B

PubKey:
F1CD952F0D68C5446FC03A5F61F01E16537D52A79F76B654A95BCC7305BBE88B

Address:
9227A421C46C1330945A9010C75DEAEA870FCFBA

I should add though, after re-reading this, I'm not sure why you would expect to be rewarded for this post...unless you mean prior posts. I somehow missed this the first read through, but you are talking about a competitor for the platform, I don't think most people would contribute to a competitor, lol.
It seems you're coming from a place of frustration, which obviously I understand considering what I said, but I don't know if this was quite the way to go about it ;)
I also said I'm not very technical, so I wouldn't know if your, sorry but I have to use the word accusation considering how many times and with what inflection you said it, is accurate. How are you certain that the issues your addressing can't be fixed?
I find what your doing interesting, but people are going to be skeptical and require proof. And if you're introducing a new coin, you have a long road of gaining traction.

IT's alright man. Please, go through my past posts, I've posted a great deal of evidence, and also described what types of evidence can't be found.... and I'm not accusing exactly-- if folks here don't share my informed opinion they can not share it without causing any harm to me, so no problem there.

Yes he has and has also lost an entire team (as faddat often seems to do after they figure out how he operates). God i hate having to do this. Invest in his screenshots and semi-working products other people built at your own risk.

Hi. I don't know if you read the amended message i put there. The thing is, I had heard a podcast with beanz, him, and a couple of others, and in that podcast they clearly stated it wasn't a competitor for steemit. So when I saw this post, I thought nothing of it, and I thought the whole team was a part of it. I saw frustration, but there had been quite a lot of that among many people during the days preceding this. And I somehow missed that he was saying that this was a competitor, probably because some of what he was saying went over my head (I'm a writer, technical things are not my strong suit) and i was skimming a bit. Point being that once I reread it and realized that's what he was saying it seemed like a bit of a spit in the face of steemit. I wasn't certain, but the more I thought about it, the more underhanded it appeared. So no, I will not be investing in it. Thank you for reaching out to protect me though, that was very thoughtful of you.
*i never did even try to use the account he made for me, as it was after i'd come to this conclusion that he posted it.

Hi, The rest of the DAWN team didn't even know about this post. But the people he has named above have left the team as of today.

Thank you.

Except watervapr? I don't even know who that is.

Except everyone who didn't.

It's OK man, dan is a busy man, and sweetssj earned the "STEEM Effect" (what you call the echo chamber is actually a feature not a bug of STEEM) because she showed up first and the bots latched on to her because there was nobody else around.

STEEM is just a another blockchain being mined into existence at 10% per year, and everyone wants a piece of the freshly minted coins.

Yes, it's true that selfish mining exists on all chains. It just so happens that STEEM lets non-computer geeks like her to get a following of both humans and bots alike. Social media is all about increasing your following. We are all stars, just trying to gain more followers and likes. People compete on Facebook and Twitter to earn a following even though they don't earn as much as her.

We don't earn as much as Furion because he is more popular than us.

Look at the e-steem guy, busting his ass, and someone else is making $50 per day for photos. But so what, STEEM is not ALL about blogging, it's just another blockchain with selfish miners and a tiny overall community that just so happens to allow anyone to freely post anything immutably.

If you care how much you are making on a post, then that's your issue. But the fact is that if you are already popular like Berwick or Shrem, then you WILL MAKE MONEY GUARANTEED.

Becoming popular is what it is all about. Look at what Bitcoin Jesus 1.O just did for DASH now that he finally got tired of waiting 40 minutes for his bitcoins.

Your criticism of STEEM is great. The community appreciates it, but they are obviously not as willing to throw their STEEM power behind it like I am.

Jesus,

Bless me, for I have sinned.

I must have, because look at what I earned on my first post, and many of my early ones, in fact nearly all of them, before I began to try to program against Steemd's totally fucked API and dare to ask questions.

My sin was trying to expand the steem ecosystem by building a desperately needed set of tools.

If I cared what I earned on a post, then I'd not have ever began to criticze this platform, because it's the clear third rail of the way that this platform is set up.

Dude, you wouldn't even be here if you didn't care about the community, and we do love you. Dan is mortal, and obviously deficient in many matters as are we all. Your help is appreciated, but due to the low price of STEEM, most of those around here are being mad selfish. This behavior was present in BTS and every community so some degree. It's human nature.

I wish that the API was cleaner and more intuitive. Yeah, dan made a nice chunk o cash here to purchase a team that is going to hang around longer than his last one (BTS), and many leeches are still sucking the life out of his creations (BTS miners just agreed to double their salaries). Greed is everywhere but you can't blame them because it is born out of a desire to survive. Just how much money do you need before you never need to upvote yourself again?

King of kings and Lord of lords,

Oh, we surely all are deficient-- myself included. I'm not blaming Dan at all-- I totally want to involve him in our work if it's at all possible. Dan had the balls to conduct a real-world experiment with real-world magic internet money, and since I'm about to do something similar, well, I can say that it's "not the easiest thing in the world."

As for how much money I need, the current answer is, quite strangely, zero. I have so much fun working on Dawn and learning the dynamics of starting a company and blokchain systems and cryptoeconomics that half the time I don't know what day it is. Really, all this really is that much fun.

There are miners on Bitsares? Since when?

Amen

And here's fact: Dawn will always have Steem DNA, and @officialfuzzy DNA in it, and I'm always going to tell the story that way, too. We've thrown our own DNA into it as well, to create what we hope to be a powerful mutated three parent baby that lives for a thousand years.

And what baby wants is for Daddy blockchain to let it speak to it natively. Baby is very afraid that daddy will just make more undocumented API changes to the groundbreaking integrations that @baabeetaa has cooked up. VERY AFRAID.

Miners, witnesses, potatoes, potatows, semantics, whatever, a 2x pay increase is more than the pink slips my friends are getting, be glad, you are in the industry you are in... The magic internet money business. Others call them blockchains, but we don't make fun of the way others talk. But then again, attention to detail is a requirement for a blockchain (currency) designer like you. I hear you all the time on the Fuzzy Bear Show on Fridays, so I know that you are in the right place. You're an addict like the rest of us.

The uncertainty that Dan creates as he turns on a dime is exactly what it is. He is the artist, and STEEM is his muse. Dawn is yours, I have mine, in fact, this is exactly the one thread that everyone on Fozzie's show has (an addiction to their creations).

Do your own thing, the world is watching.

Most precious Jesus, son of Aliens,

Surely, we shall do our thing and eternally endeavor to do it well, as you eternally endeavor to reconnect with the mothership, stranded here on earth like some mere conehead.

Amen

When faddat actually builds something finalized and working...ill be stunned. Sincerely hope he will stun me...but lets just say as i see all these other devs doing amazing stuff with steem in recognition that it is IN BETA, and hear faddats constant complaints...i really tend to believe hebwont build anything. Would i like him to prove me wrong? Well 90% of whatever he would build would have been my idea...so if he cuts me in and gives me credit for the idea when he has proven he can build it, great. I SEVERELY doubt anyone working with faddat is going to end up with anything but tears though. At least this has been my terrible experience....an experience i would have never had working with someone like @good-karma or @jesta. You know ....people who build what they say they will and DONT MAKE EXCUSES why "its too hard".

Oh and i have a pretty decent sized list of others who will back my claims , btw...cause it seems many have walked the trail of tears before me.

No faddat. You lost all your votes the minute people started seeing you as a scammer who couldnt do what I paid you well to do. You hurt me and my rep...even though dan literally thanked me and my ideas as inspiration for the creation of this project. Rather than work with me you chose to make nothing but excuses and blaming others. Yiu can blame others but i can give u a decent sized list of people who could build what YOU SAID you could build. They lost respect for u taking money and failing hard (because u hadnt even researched when u claimed you could do it).

As @steemjesus says, people gain a following and that following can give them money via upvotes. There will be people who become wealthier than others...guess what same will happen with ANY other platform. You unwillingness to honestly talk to this point sucks.

Dont give faddat money. @faddat please get a real job thst pays you for real work. And PLEASE STOP ASKING PEOPLE TO JOIN YOUR TEAMS FOR 1000000S OF PROJECTS. STOO ASKING THEM TO RISK EVERYTHING AND MOVE ACROSS THE WORLD TO WORK ON PROJECTS THEY WILL ONLY END UP FINDING OUT YOU GAVE UP ON.

The trail of tears will be long for those who get entwined in your bullshit. I feel for them...and wish you would stop. Im beginning to think you never will.

You accused me of having given up on DAWN. I don't know why, though. Many around me, did, but I surely haven't. Listen to yourself man.

On one hand, accusing me of giving up on my projects. On the other, telling me to give up on my projects.

I won't stop, and I'm not bullshitting.

Regarding what you wanted and paid me to build, I can say nothing other than "sorry man, there are API issues."

You will understand better what I am talking about when you try to build against steem. Hopefully, I will be successful soon. I've not given up on the project you paid me for, or anything else.

In short: No, I refuse to slink away into some corner somewhere and die.

G'day mate!

many abandoned you because they went to see how much work you had done on projects they thought you were working on...and found that you hadn't done hardly any coding!

God just work and prove me wrong man! Instead of wasting peoples time!

Hundreds of commits went into the work that I did for you re: ingestron. But let me set the record straight here man:

I haven't abandoned shit.

People may have abandoned DAWN, and may have abandoned me. For various and sundry reasons. WHile that sucks, such is life.

I HAVE NOT ABANDONED DAWN

I never said you did. But where is the proof? Again words. I simply have to warn people who put money in that they should wait to see something. I think it is fair considering the blame you place on steem for everything.

Proof:

Look at the repositories. Look at beyondbitcoin.org. From what's there, tell me where to take it. Currently working on filtering by tag.

you have had the answer to that for some time. we even had a page with all the specs. Hell if you recall i even told you that you could create your own chain to do it, but it still needed to work with steemit and/or bitshares or it was no deal.

This is why i am concerned...I shouldnt have needed to tell you after we did the google doc other than to clarify a few things here or there as to how i wanted it. instead we are here...

Jesus,

Have mercy, for I may sin again.

Now I sin:
The community (specifically highly placed whales and individuals connected to or employed directly by steemit, inc.) doesn't just not-upvote my criticism, they've flat out told me on multiple occasions that it's not wanted.

Jesus, I must sin once more:

Please Lord and Savior of Steemit, join us for our third testnet or in our chat at: https://discord.gg/8dWYbFS

Learn a new religion, my Savior.

voting -reward to writer model won't work and haven't worked.
What we learned from steemit experiment is we need capitalism not socialism. Payer should spend his own money when he pays someone money, otherwise, there is always abuse and anger.

Nothing about Dawn is socialist in nature. What is rewarded on our platform is greatness, which is difficult to achieve. We reward greatness weather or not people are willing to say publicly that a thing is great, you see, and that is the advantage of simply paying out by traffic: Lots of people like lots of stuff they don't want to admit to liking, publicly, forever on a blockchain.

Furthermore, if many people read an article is that not an indication of its high utility to society? If no-- then why are so many reading that article if they don't find it to be useful?

As for fees for moving tokens, I tend to agree with you. Not certain how our policies surrouning that will look yet, however. I'll let you know as soon as we are >75% certain.

This^ is the main competitive model to the shareholder vote model that STEEM will have to contend with someday, and people will definitely be all over the first mover in this space. All coins have a long ways to go before mass adoption, and STEEM is just a DOGE-sized market cap but with a pint-sized community that you could fit in a kennel. There are only a couple dozen people here with any real power which is obvious to everyone. But that was Dan's great accomplishment, crowdfunding STEEM without losing control to the community. This is the only reason why he can afford to straighten out the payout curve now. I'm glad he made enough money to afford to give power to the little people.

Current 'fixed reward pool for writer' model is collectivism since we should vote (spend money)on shitty post in other to gain some voting reward. Its like taxing on everyone and should spend that tax on posts even that post is so shitty that I wouldn't spend a penny if I had a choice. Even if we eliminate voting reward, it does not solve collectivism. So, once we change this system into tip-based model, then we have individualism and eventually , true capitalism.

So, faddat, We are safe to say current Steemit model is socialism.

Alright, clearly your definitions of those words aren't the same as mine. I can accept that.

Have a great day!

Actually paying based on traffic just opens uo A DIFFERENT ATTACK VECTOR that is more difficult for the little guy. If "greatness" means more people watch it....you are now going to bias content rewards based on who is willing to post the most popular echo chamber shit in the world of public opinion. "This lady cut off her husbands head" will ALWAYS get more views than "This lady teaches to plant a garden". Soooo we can act like you found the f*ing panacea but we would be lying to ourselves.

I'm by no means sufficiently naive to think that the simple weighting by views that I've described is a panacea. I think it's a better solution with its own tradeoffs, and nothing more.

I'm even open to the possibility that it proves to be totally incorrect, and will need adjustment. But I think that given the options it's the best possible route. Only time will tell.

Regarding your example, doesn't the traffic flow indicate that there's more demand for the cutting-off-head kind of information? I mean sure- that says some shitty things about humanity, but well, what can be done about that?

It's indeed a very long post, but where are the EXACT problem you try to underline with the API ?
Any clear analysis you produced to show these issues ?
I'm interested

It is unruly and needlessly difficult to work with, which hampers the growth of the steem/graphene ecosystem, and deeply worrying that no one at steemit, inc sees this as a problem.

That is my point: The indictment here is unspecific. It's simply not a good API.

Faddat please quit with this Bullshit. It is literally bullshit. I can point to a number of people doing what u seem to believe is not possible.

I really have neither the time nor inclination to continue following you around cleaning up messes you choose to make.

Your comment to me prompted me to open up the full post. As I mentioned in my response to you, I am not very technical, so the "API being fucked" didn't initially mean a lot to me. However, I've since looked into it and if he were correct it certainly would be an issue to be very concerned about for the growth of steemit. Am I correct in assuming that your statement I can point to a number of people doing what u seem to believe is not possible is referring to the API, and it is not quite the insurmountable problem he indicated?
Also, I had not seen the comment by rampant until just now, and I'm extremely glad I'd trusted my intuition not to pursue it any further. While I was growing a bit disheartened by the amount of fighting among different groups that was taking place here right at the time faddat posted this, I truly love steemit. And while I certainly have no problem with others creating a similar platform, I do have a problem with someone using this platform as a forum to trash this platform and in the same post promoting their own, which is now the way I see it without a doubt.
I'm sorry for whatever it is that you invested into this project only to have one person essentially destroy its credibility, by making such a post without consulting with any of those he listed.

Just let faddat actually get something done for once. Then make sure he actually did it instead of tricking some good, well meaning person into doing it for him (for little cash or free). Then I would CONSIDER listening to something he has to say. Until that happens I have no time for him shitting all over something acting like an expert.

Experts accomplish. They do not make long lists of excuses that never end and fake appreciate something while out the other side of their mouths putting it down all while saying they can do something better....if only you join them and drop your ENTIRE life to join him in some far off Eastern country. Everyone else gets to take the risk for faddat.

Like I said before I do not like having to do this...but sadly I am forced to by his persistent posts like this.