well both objects have been defined by @velimar supperub. You are right one can understand them behind it who has extra ordinary thoughts like you did it. Impact of light and missing of shadow thats the key of your thoughtd. You clarify it in way that everybody can easily regularize the creation of these object.
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thanks for the liking my view i am much obliged for this honor.
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