Amazing little creatures. I just remembered I should have added a video of two ravens instigating a cat fight here. They realize they are smarter than cats, and they abuse that knowledge :D
@gmzct Because you posted exactly the same picture in comments to several posts with topics completely unrelated to cats. In addition you didn't put any effort into sharing insight or showing any interest for the topics of the posts in question. You have also failed to demonstrate in any other way that you have actually read the aforementioned posts. I hope you understand now.
There was also some research investigating the ability of corvids to perform higher-order, relational matching tasks. In other words, they understand analogies!
From the article on sciencedaily.com:
'The study involved two hooded crows that were at least 2 years old. First, the birds were trained and tested to identify items by color, shape and number of single samples.
Here is how it worked: the birds were placed into a wire mesh cage into which a plastic tray containing three small cups was occasionally inserted. The sample cup in the middle was covered with a small card on which was pictured a color, shape or number of items. The other two cups were also covered with cards -- one that matched the sample and one that did not. During this initial training period, the cup with the matching card contained two mealworms; the crows were rewarded with these food items when they chose the matching card, but they received no food when they chose the other card.
Once the crows has been trained on identity matching-to-sample, the researchers moved to the second phase of the experiment. This time, the birds were assessed with relational matching pairs of items.
These relational matching trials were arranged in such a way that neither test pairs precisely matched the sample pair, thereby eliminating control by physical identity. For example, the crows might have to choose two same-sized circles rather than two different-sized circles when the sample card displayed two same-sized squares.
What surprised the researchers was not only that the crows could correctly perform the relational matches, but that they did so spontaneously--without explicit training.
"That is the crux of the discovery," [Ed] Wasserman [, a psychology professor at the University of Iowa] says. "Honestly, if it was only by brute force that the crows showed this learning, then it would have been an impressive result. But this feat was spontaneous."'
That means corvids are the first non-primate animal that exibited true analogical reasoning. Exciting, huh?
I'm a big corvid fan and it's kind of a shame that we had only recently began researching the intelligence and social life of these wonderful birds. Thank you, Arrrados, for giving them some much-deserved love!
I leave you with a video of about a Vancouver crow named Canuck and his human best friend:
Thank you very much for this comment my friend! :D I haven't read about this experiment before, that is amazing! I will watch the video a bit later, but I believe that a corvid fan like you has left me with something worth watching :D
Asatru much? :D
Excellent post, if I could I would upvote it 10 times :)
I was scrolling down some posts and so the first image from your post... MJOLNIR!?!? This should be interesting! And I wasn't wrong, it was.
Not so much Asatru, as mythology itself, I opened this blog mostly to write about mythologies and beer :D
But when it comes to Norse mythology I prefer the original, I didn't explore Asatru much, but I did read both poetic and prose Edda. Those two ravens in the first picture are actually Huginn and Muninn, I picked them as they as the first picture because I love the concept of them being Odin's Thought and Memory and derived meaning the song that comes later gets from that fact.
I intend to write about Norse mythology at some point as well, but first I wont to get my Vodou series going :)
If you are into mythology check out my first post about Vodou as well, you might like it ;)
I like mythology but I prefer Norse and Slavic. I own Sturlusons Edda, and have some Runas tattoed. I know all about Huginn and Muninn :)
I am looking forward to your posts about Norse mythology, I will read them carefully.
No pressure :D
I intend to go for Slavic, but later, I haven't been blogging in years, so first want to practice a bit on the others. Slavic has to masterfully delivered. The sources of Slavic mythology are so scarce and inconsistent on the internet and I would like not to follow in those footsteps. :D
Which one do you have, poetic or prose, and in which language?
Thanks :D There will be a lot more of it. Next mythology post will probably be about Baron Samedi, you can read my post about Vodou as it serves as introduction to Baron Samedi :)
I just realized you are the girl who had a Mortal Combat Cyborgs post :D You already earned a follow from our group profile last week with that post :D
Thank you very much, I am not expert on biology I only explore it when I am interested in specific topic, but lots of posts from about mythology will be coming. The next one will be about Baron Samedi, a loa from Haitian Vodou. :)
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Absolutely brilliant post! I often see ravens circling about at high altitudes when I'm hillwalking, and I used to think, as many people do, that they were traditionally seen as harbingers of doom. I never realised that they were so intelligent! Fascinating. I will view them with a new respect in future.
I understand they can be seen as that, given how they are pure black with those large beaks and their harsh call. But I don't believe that harbingers of doom would ever be as playful as these little rascals :D
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Ravens are indeed very intelligent. But many superstitions are also attached to it making people scared of seeing the wonderful creature. Thank you for sharing this information with us.
I could sit and watch corvids all day. And I loved the videos. They're so smart. The experiments were different from others I've seen them do but where a treat is involved, you know they're going to solve the puzzle pretty damned quick. And the snowboarding? That was cute! Never seen it before but will be sure to look out for similar such behaviour next time it snows.
At uni, in the taxidermy class, I had to stuff a jackdaw. Some farmer had shot it, so I slit it open, removed all the insides, turned it inside out and gave it a good scrub in warm soapy water. Then filled it with a little styrofoam and pinned it back together. It was fascinating if a little messy. :D
More recently, I worked at an animal refuge where we had a crow being nursed back to health. I used to love feeding it (a tin of dog food a day or so). It was always trying to outwit me though.
Easily my favourite birds because of the character they're full of.
That is awesome. I've always heard that Raven are really smart. In this area there's quite a few of them, so I made it a point to befriend a few of them. Now whenever I come to work, I can see them outside waiting for me. They don't come up to me, but they wait for me to throw them. some food.
This is a GREAT article! Crows are also very intellegent and fascinating. Ravens are SO gorgeous, and so fascinating! To this day they have Ravens at the Tower of London, based on superstition. :).
My husband and I have a pair that live on our property up in Washington State. They are majestic! :)
Yes, there was a guy I listened to on the radio one day that wrote a book about crows, and I was fascinated. Very cool birds.
"Legend of the ravens: It is said the kingdom and the Tower will fall if the six resident ravens ever leave the fortress. According to the stories, it was Charles II who first insisted the ravens of the Tower be protected." - Wikipedia
To this day, they still keep the Ravens on site. When I was at the Tower of London, they showed you the Ravens and told you about the folklore.
Ravens were common around the people back then (16th Century), and because they were scavengers, they helped keep the streets cleaner, so, people considered them good luck.
Great post, very detailed. I learned a lot more about ravens than I thought was possible. I love the mythology you included here.
Amazing little creatures. I just remembered I should have added a video of two ravens instigating a cat fight here. They realize they are smarter than cats, and they abuse that knowledge :D
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@gmzct Because you posted exactly the same picture in comments to several posts with topics completely unrelated to cats. In addition you didn't put any effort into sharing insight or showing any interest for the topics of the posts in question. You have also failed to demonstrate in any other way that you have actually read the aforementioned posts. I hope you understand now.
I see no relevance of your cat to this post...
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it made you feel uncomfortable that my cat was here
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Only connection I saw was how it would make a good lunch for the ravens, so I was wondering if it was here as the offering for the raven Gods :P
@arrrados hahaha I think the idea of having lunch is a terrible idea:)
There was also some research investigating the ability of corvids to perform higher-order, relational matching tasks. In other words, they understand analogies!
From the article on sciencedaily.com:
'The study involved two hooded crows that were at least 2 years old. First, the birds were trained and tested to identify items by color, shape and number of single samples.
Here is how it worked: the birds were placed into a wire mesh cage into which a plastic tray containing three small cups was occasionally inserted. The sample cup in the middle was covered with a small card on which was pictured a color, shape or number of items. The other two cups were also covered with cards -- one that matched the sample and one that did not. During this initial training period, the cup with the matching card contained two mealworms; the crows were rewarded with these food items when they chose the matching card, but they received no food when they chose the other card.
Once the crows has been trained on identity matching-to-sample, the researchers moved to the second phase of the experiment. This time, the birds were assessed with relational matching pairs of items.
These relational matching trials were arranged in such a way that neither test pairs precisely matched the sample pair, thereby eliminating control by physical identity. For example, the crows might have to choose two same-sized circles rather than two different-sized circles when the sample card displayed two same-sized squares.
What surprised the researchers was not only that the crows could correctly perform the relational matches, but that they did so spontaneously--without explicit training.
"That is the crux of the discovery," [Ed] Wasserman [, a psychology professor at the University of Iowa] says. "Honestly, if it was only by brute force that the crows showed this learning, then it would have been an impressive result. But this feat was spontaneous."'
That means corvids are the first non-primate animal that exibited true analogical reasoning. Exciting, huh?
I'm a big corvid fan and it's kind of a shame that we had only recently began researching the intelligence and social life of these wonderful birds. Thank you, Arrrados, for giving them some much-deserved love!
I leave you with a video of about a Vancouver crow named Canuck and his human best friend:
Thank you very much for this comment my friend! :D I haven't read about this experiment before, that is amazing! I will watch the video a bit later, but I believe that a corvid fan like you has left me with something worth watching :D
Asatru much? :D
Excellent post, if I could I would upvote it 10 times :)
I was scrolling down some posts and so the first image from your post... MJOLNIR!?!? This should be interesting! And I wasn't wrong, it was.
Not so much Asatru, as mythology itself, I opened this blog mostly to write about mythologies and beer :D
But when it comes to Norse mythology I prefer the original, I didn't explore Asatru much, but I did read both poetic and prose Edda. Those two ravens in the first picture are actually Huginn and Muninn, I picked them as they as the first picture because I love the concept of them being Odin's Thought and Memory and derived meaning the song that comes later gets from that fact.
I intend to write about Norse mythology at some point as well, but first I wont to get my Vodou series going :)
If you are into mythology check out my first post about Vodou as well, you might like it ;)
I like mythology but I prefer Norse and Slavic. I own Sturlusons Edda, and have some Runas tattoed. I know all about Huginn and Muninn :)
I am looking forward to your posts about Norse mythology, I will read them carefully.
No pressure :D
I intend to go for Slavic, but later, I haven't been blogging in years, so first want to practice a bit on the others. Slavic has to masterfully delivered. The sources of Slavic mythology are so scarce and inconsistent on the internet and I would like not to follow in those footsteps. :D
Which one do you have, poetic or prose, and in which language?
Snorri Sturluson
"EDDA
Gylfaginning/Obmanjivanje Gylfija"
in Islandic and Croatian language
Very cool. Need to bookmark this. I found you via the PYPT show :)
Thx :)
wow, interesting
Thx
You win a follower here, I'm always interested on mythology, so thanks for taking the time for make this post.
Thanks :D There will be a lot more of it. Next mythology post will probably be about Baron Samedi, you can read my post about Vodou as it serves as introduction to Baron Samedi :)
I just realized you are the girl who had a Mortal Combat Cyborgs post :D You already earned a follow from our group profile last week with that post :D
haha woot!! nice, thank you!
What a great post @arrrados! You should check out @steemstem's curation because they would love your post! They focus on science...
Thanks, I will check it out :D
So amazing guy your post I like it..that true
Thanks!
Ah this is awesome! I absolutely love mythology and biology, and I hope I can learn more about it from you soon!
Thank you for sharing!
Thank you very much, I am not expert on biology I only explore it when I am interested in specific topic, but lots of posts from about mythology will be coming. The next one will be about Baron Samedi, a loa from Haitian Vodou. :)
woah cool! I am excited for more!
Use the mythology tag and I will see it.
a buddy of yours told me your in to marketing read your blog too noce job on this one guy
Thanks :) Which buddy of mine?
@thinicola
Svaka čast za ovaj tekst, mislio sam da znam mnogo o ovim pticama međutim ispostavilo se suprotno. Obavezno nastavi da pišeš lični blog, odlične su ti i teme i stil.
A kako i ne bi bile, kad organizuješ Istrakon. Svake godine kažem da ću napisati i poslati priču i naravno nikada to ne uradim ;-) Mada lepo bi bilo i posetiti ga...
U svakom slučaju nastavi svoje pa se čitamo dalje!
Haha hvala ti, dođi na Istrakon, najzabavnija konvencija u Hrvatskoj :D Ali dobro podmaži jetru, puno se pije na Istrakonu ;)
Did you know they can speak, even better than parrots? I refer to youtube for proofs :b
They sound very scary by the way...
Yup, I was thinking about putting a video of that as well, but the post was already very long.
Absolutely brilliant post! I often see ravens circling about at high altitudes when I'm hillwalking, and I used to think, as many people do, that they were traditionally seen as harbingers of doom. I never realised that they were so intelligent! Fascinating. I will view them with a new respect in future.
I understand they can be seen as that, given how they are pure black with those large beaks and their harsh call. But I don't believe that harbingers of doom would ever be as playful as these little rascals :D
Haha! Very true.
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Ravens are indeed very intelligent. But many superstitions are also attached to it making people scared of seeing the wonderful creature. Thank you for sharing this information with us.
Thank you for reading this long post :D
Extremely good post, thanks for posting.
I could sit and watch corvids all day. And I loved the videos. They're so smart. The experiments were different from others I've seen them do but where a treat is involved, you know they're going to solve the puzzle pretty damned quick. And the snowboarding? That was cute! Never seen it before but will be sure to look out for similar such behaviour next time it snows.
At uni, in the taxidermy class, I had to stuff a jackdaw. Some farmer had shot it, so I slit it open, removed all the insides, turned it inside out and gave it a good scrub in warm soapy water. Then filled it with a little styrofoam and pinned it back together. It was fascinating if a little messy. :D
More recently, I worked at an animal refuge where we had a crow being nursed back to health. I used to love feeding it (a tin of dog food a day or so). It was always trying to outwit me though.
Easily my favourite birds because of the character they're full of.
That is awesome. I've always heard that Raven are really smart. In this area there's quite a few of them, so I made it a point to befriend a few of them. Now whenever I come to work, I can see them outside waiting for me. They don't come up to me, but they wait for me to throw them. some food.
Keep up befriending them :D
This is a GREAT article! Crows are also very intellegent and fascinating. Ravens are SO gorgeous, and so fascinating! To this day they have Ravens at the Tower of London, based on superstition. :).
My husband and I have a pair that live on our property up in Washington State. They are majestic! :)
Yup, all members of corvid family are very intelligent :) Do yo know which superstition that is?
Yes, there was a guy I listened to on the radio one day that wrote a book about crows, and I was fascinated. Very cool birds.
"Legend of the ravens: It is said the kingdom and the Tower will fall if the six resident ravens ever leave the fortress. According to the stories, it was Charles II who first insisted the ravens of the Tower be protected." - Wikipedia
To this day, they still keep the Ravens on site. When I was at the Tower of London, they showed you the Ravens and told you about the folklore.
Ravens were common around the people back then (16th Century), and because they were scavengers, they helped keep the streets cleaner, so, people considered them good luck.
Nice story, thanks for sharing :D
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