"The real strawman is your switching the subject from people fearing killing machines, to people fearing people WITH killing machines." Where was the subject switched? I have been talking about people with guns. Your implication that I'm was only blaming guns is the strawman and is illogical since guns are a result of people. "You then attach your ridiculously imbecilic opinion of what the media presents the guns..." No, this is what your side is doing, I am saying media is not necessary for people to fear guns.
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You are strawmaning me by repeatedly ascribing views I don't hold to my arguments as if I'm the one derailing the argument. "...the only thing that matters is that you didn't talk about people..." There's your strawman, stop this or there is no point in continuing as you are arguing against something that isn't my position at this point. "The conversation was never about People with guns, but people being afraid of killing machines." Okay, well I'm talking about people with guns and so is everyone else I've ever heard talking about this. You're the only one talking about people fearing objects. "There are no Redeeming qualities of guns, like sportsmanship that is featured in the media, and not even anything that would pass for Glorifying." This is your opinion, mine is the opposite, but that is irrelevant because I'm talking about guns, and you're derailing it by bringing up the media after failing to explain why it's necessary to fear guns.
"You, on the other hand, brought up the subject by Rhetorically asking why people need to listen to the media to validate their fear of killing machines." I didn't say anything about validating fears, I'm saying those fears would exist without the media. Your side is the one that first brought up media. "...opening the discussion directly on THINGS by themselves." Yes ,this is what you keep accusing me of, but I am not doing, that is a stawman. I'm not talking about the things by themselves because no gun has ever committed a shooting. Yes, this is about a fear of people, and a gun amplifies that, so both are the problem here. "You went even further in this by attaching the imbecilic opinion that Glorifying something means the complete opposite of the definition..." Another strawman, I would call guns being used to kill bad guys regularly in media glorification. Ever seen the Myth Busters? I liked that show, but their glorification of guns is what I'm talking about. I don't want to ban guns, I just think our country should have about as many shootings as other developed countries with guns. Is that not unreasonable right?
Look this has been fun, but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere so long as you aren't taking into account what I'm saying, and keep re-defining what my argument is to derail the point. I apologize if my wording has been unclear at some point, but you know full well what I'm getting at, and that's not what you're addressing. This is intellectually dishonest of you, but aside form that I appreciate your civility in this discussion, and would be happy to continue it should you actually address what I'm saying.