Says the guy who has failed to answer any of my questions and got all angry an insulting instead of being able to have a grown up debate pretty much right away. What state banned growing your own food?
One recent high profile case involves Hermine Ricketts and Tom Carroll, a couple in Miami Shores Village, Florida, who was told the front yard vegetable garden they’d tended to for 17 years was prohibited according to a new zoning code that banned front yard vegetable gardens. They had to dig up their plants, which supplied half the food they ate, or face $50-per-day fines.
Florida’s Third District Court of Appeals has sided with the local officials and their attorney, who proclaimed, “There certainly is not [a] fundamental right to grow vegetables in your front yard.”
Yup, local zoning ordinances do restrict how you can use your property, it's false that any state bans growing your own food. If they wanted to grow vegetables in their front yard they should have considered that before they bought property in a municipality that disallows it. Or they could garden indoors or in the backyard, like normal people. If they wanted a farm they should have bought land zoned for agriculture. Is your argument that the federal government and the USA is bad because in some communities they have decided to protect residential property values and tax revenues by establishing rules about lawns and other zoning laws?
This is an old argument, and maybe you should read more about this particular case and numerous others. The ordinances changed and the fines were forced upon them. In my opinion it should never be illegal to produce your own food, and therefore see this as what I originally called it and you called into question. Forcible rule of one man over another. Show me how gardening has ever negatively affected home values please. I'll show you home after home where the values have gone up as a result. You're just defending rule of law for defending it's sake.
You seriously think the condition of the lawns and other houses in your neighborhood does not affect your homes value?
do you really need me to explain some of the ways to you?
It's not "illegal for them to produce their own food", it was apparently illegal for them to do so in their residential front yard in the municipality they owned property in.
"I'll show you home after home where the values have gone up as a result."
If you have actual evidence of people planting vegetables in their front yards and that actually being the cause of their neighbors property values rising then that is great please show me and I will forward it to whatever municipalities ban front yard vegetable jungles. They are not banned here, I have seen a couple, they look fucking terrible.
Let's say your neighbor puts a cattle feed lot in his front yard of the residential neighborhood where you are a homeowner, because he has a right to grow his own food and he likes beef, you don't think that might offput potential buyers when you go to put your house on the market?
There are plenty of places they could grow food in Florida and even in that city, like the backyard, right?
good try with the ridiculous example and again asking me to disprove your words. I've offered evidence again and again. You have offered semantics and misrepresentation of my words. I'm starting to think you're not as smart as you think you are....
The point was never all the places people are allowed to grow food, it is the fact that anywhere they are not means one man is ruling another by force. My original point which you have forgotten in your ridiculous quest to be right in spite of the facts laid before you.
Excellent, that is a perfect example of a state not doing anything like banning people from growing their own food. They were required to maintain grass in their front yard because of a city zoning ordinance. A very reasonable ordinance because people growing gardens in their front lawn looks terrible and lowers everyone's property values in the area and thus lowers the local municipal tax base so many communities have established such ordinances in their localities, if you want a preview of what local control looks like, that's it.
What you have clearly failed to do is prove your claim that state government bans people from growing their own food. Note also that they were only subject to civil fines and not arrest.
You're twisting words and facts as usual. I said in some states I'm not allowed to grow food. And I gave you an instance in Florida where a court of Appeals upheld the city fine even after they changed the zoning. This is merely one case and again your lazy ass needs help with Google.
I said in some states I'm not allowed to grow food. And I gave you an instance in Florida where a court of Appeals upheld the city fine even after they changed the zoning.
Exactly, you proved yourself wrong with that example, in fact no state disallows you from growing food! You proved that in one state there are municipalities that won't let you grow vegetables in your front yard. If you want to make a true statement then don't say "in some states I'm not allowed to grow food." because that is false. A true statement would be: in some states some cities don't let you grow vegetables in your front yard.
But the truth is not as hyperbolic and fearmongering right?
That wouldn't have the effect you were going for with the lie right?
I don't use google, I love you used google to prove me right and your own claim false. I also love the suggestion that your use of google is not lazy and more profanity, to prove how smart you are.
Resorting to semantics is hilarious. You have misquoted me from the start and now you have to backpedal with third grade semantics. Not my fault you read it wrong. Maybe ask for clarification when you misunderstand things instead of just saying "false" over and over.
It's not semantics, your claim, that you keep reiterating, is false. I didn't read it wrong. You said something false, why is it so hard for you to just admit it? There is no state where you are not allowed to grow food.
I pointed out that your claims were false, that is upsetting huh? Cognitive dissonance kicked in because deep down you know I am right, that's why you are lashing out. It's a defense mechanism. I haven't made any claims so they can't be false, what state bans growing your own food?
If that was really true you and you were smart you would have just had to say from the jump which state bans growing your own food and then you would have won this debate. But instead you got all mad and started throwing around mealy-mouthed insults, that's sad.
you twist words like a second rate ambulance chaser...that actually would make a ton of sense. You claimed that my claims were false, which are claims in and of themselves are they not? Then instead of offering one shred of evidence to the fact just shouted False, False, False, like your demigod the christTrump. And somehow I've been goaded into arguing with your sociopathic dumbass the better part of the day.
I said in some states I'm not allowed to grow food. Simply scroll up and read what I said. Then I gave you an example of laws (men ruling each other by force) changed to force people into an unjust state of living.
The insults were heartfelt and meant just for you. Not because you called me a liar without cause, not because you disagree with me. No I insult you because you earned it. You're rude as fuck as I have said from the beginning, and I'm a people person. So I do my best to speak to you in your own language as much as possible. Also, I don't like you. You think you know better than me and don't know dick about me. Yet you come into my world, call me a liar and then get butthurt when you're "facts" are shot down again and again, and I use words to which your apparently sensitive ears are unaccustomed.
"I said in some states I'm not allowed to grow food"
Which is a false statement. So I said so, then you started with the "bitch" and the "fuckstick" because you can't admit you were wrong, why do you think that is?
Also, I don't like you. You think you know better than me and don't know dick about me.
Why do you think you keep confusing me with your dad?
You're pathetic man. This is the leg you choose to stand on? The dad bit doesn't work on me but far be it from me to kick you when you're down.
You want to be right, be right. I said as much from the beginning. That's always been your goal, not mine.
And I'll say it again. I don't like you. You're rude. You stepped into my feed and called me a liar so fuck you and fuck your mother for raising you wrong. I'll say whatever I damned well please and even though I strongly doubt you talk in real life the way you came at me, you're still probably used to people not liking you.
Next? Fuckstick? Maybe try trolling some weaker minded folks since that's where your self worth comes from.
I'll continue stomping you every step exactly because your principles are inherently flawed, your logic virtually nonexistent, and I'll insult you all I want as this technically still my feed where you came uninvited with your nonsensical rhetoric.
Who could be weaker minded than someone who resorts to things like "fuckstick? when was the first time you were called a "fuckstick"?
What could be weaker minded than calling someone a "bitch" instead of just admitting that no state actually bans growing their own food as you claimed?
You seem to have me confused with your dad for some reason, how do you feel about your dad?
Oooooh that hurts. Just kidding my dad is a boot licking statist too. He however formulates idea on the level of someone a little more mature than yourself. Arguing with him is like playing chess with a regular pigeon. You're more like an antisocial racist homophobic type pigeon.
when was the first time you were called a "fuckstick"? was it your dad? does he use a lot of false ad hominem, " antisocial racist homophobic" in his rhetoric too?
It must have been pretty upsetting to you to be called a "fuckstick" if you thought it would be upsetting to me right?
I sense much projection coming from you. And that rhetoric isn't really rhetoric is it. It's a pretty accurate description of your steem content for the most part.
Maybe you are an extreme satirist. In which case, I tip my hat to you. You play the part of half informed idiot very well.
Says the guy who has failed to answer any of my questions and got all angry an insulting instead of being able to have a grown up debate pretty much right away. What state banned growing your own food?
One recent high profile case involves Hermine Ricketts and Tom Carroll, a couple in Miami Shores Village, Florida, who was told the front yard vegetable garden they’d tended to for 17 years was prohibited according to a new zoning code that banned front yard vegetable gardens. They had to dig up their plants, which supplied half the food they ate, or face $50-per-day fines.
Florida’s Third District Court of Appeals has sided with the local officials and their attorney, who proclaimed, “There certainly is not [a] fundamental right to grow vegetables in your front yard.”
Yup, local zoning ordinances do restrict how you can use your property, it's false that any state bans growing your own food. If they wanted to grow vegetables in their front yard they should have considered that before they bought property in a municipality that disallows it. Or they could garden indoors or in the backyard, like normal people. If they wanted a farm they should have bought land zoned for agriculture. Is your argument that the federal government and the USA is bad because in some communities they have decided to protect residential property values and tax revenues by establishing rules about lawns and other zoning laws?
This is an old argument, and maybe you should read more about this particular case and numerous others. The ordinances changed and the fines were forced upon them. In my opinion it should never be illegal to produce your own food, and therefore see this as what I originally called it and you called into question. Forcible rule of one man over another. Show me how gardening has ever negatively affected home values please. I'll show you home after home where the values have gone up as a result. You're just defending rule of law for defending it's sake.
You seriously think the condition of the lawns and other houses in your neighborhood does not affect your homes value?
do you really need me to explain some of the ways to you?
It's not "illegal for them to produce their own food", it was apparently illegal for them to do so in their residential front yard in the municipality they owned property in.
"I'll show you home after home where the values have gone up as a result."
If you have actual evidence of people planting vegetables in their front yards and that actually being the cause of their neighbors property values rising then that is great please show me and I will forward it to whatever municipalities ban front yard vegetable jungles. They are not banned here, I have seen a couple, they look fucking terrible.
Let's say your neighbor puts a cattle feed lot in his front yard of the residential neighborhood where you are a homeowner, because he has a right to grow his own food and he likes beef, you don't think that might offput potential buyers when you go to put your house on the market?
There are plenty of places they could grow food in Florida and even in that city, like the backyard, right?
good try with the ridiculous example and again asking me to disprove your words. I've offered evidence again and again. You have offered semantics and misrepresentation of my words. I'm starting to think you're not as smart as you think you are....
The point was never all the places people are allowed to grow food, it is the fact that anywhere they are not means one man is ruling another by force. My original point which you have forgotten in your ridiculous quest to be right in spite of the facts laid before you.
But good try...
Excellent, that is a perfect example of a state not doing anything like banning people from growing their own food. They were required to maintain grass in their front yard because of a city zoning ordinance. A very reasonable ordinance because people growing gardens in their front lawn looks terrible and lowers everyone's property values in the area and thus lowers the local municipal tax base so many communities have established such ordinances in their localities, if you want a preview of what local control looks like, that's it.
What you have clearly failed to do is prove your claim that state government bans people from growing their own food. Note also that they were only subject to civil fines and not arrest.
You're twisting words and facts as usual. I said in some states I'm not allowed to grow food. And I gave you an instance in Florida where a court of Appeals upheld the city fine even after they changed the zoning. This is merely one case and again your lazy ass needs help with Google.
Exactly, you proved yourself wrong with that example, in fact no state disallows you from growing food! You proved that in one state there are municipalities that won't let you grow vegetables in your front yard. If you want to make a true statement then don't say "in some states I'm not allowed to grow food." because that is false. A true statement would be: in some states some cities don't let you grow vegetables in your front yard.
But the truth is not as hyperbolic and fearmongering right?
That wouldn't have the effect you were going for with the lie right?
I don't use google, I love you used google to prove me right and your own claim false. I also love the suggestion that your use of google is not lazy and more profanity, to prove how smart you are.
Resorting to semantics is hilarious. You have misquoted me from the start and now you have to backpedal with third grade semantics. Not my fault you read it wrong. Maybe ask for clarification when you misunderstand things instead of just saying "false" over and over.
It's not semantics, your claim, that you keep reiterating, is false. I didn't read it wrong. You said something false, why is it so hard for you to just admit it? There is no state where you are not allowed to grow food.
Grown up debate? You came onto my post shouting false, with half ass facts and expect me to do your googling for you.
And as to insulting you, take it however you want but you are likely exactly as I described: a little bitch troll.
Cite any source for your false claims.
Here's another you called false and we're wrong about: it's illegal to smoke cannabis everywhere in public.
I pointed out that your claims were false, that is upsetting huh? Cognitive dissonance kicked in because deep down you know I am right, that's why you are lashing out. It's a defense mechanism. I haven't made any claims so they can't be false, what state bans growing your own food?
If that was really true you and you were smart you would have just had to say from the jump which state bans growing your own food and then you would have won this debate. But instead you got all mad and started throwing around mealy-mouthed insults, that's sad.
you twist words like a second rate ambulance chaser...that actually would make a ton of sense. You claimed that my claims were false, which are claims in and of themselves are they not? Then instead of offering one shred of evidence to the fact just shouted False, False, False, like your demigod the christTrump. And somehow I've been goaded into arguing with your sociopathic dumbass the better part of the day.
I said in some states I'm not allowed to grow food. Simply scroll up and read what I said. Then I gave you an example of laws (men ruling each other by force) changed to force people into an unjust state of living.
The insults were heartfelt and meant just for you. Not because you called me a liar without cause, not because you disagree with me. No I insult you because you earned it. You're rude as fuck as I have said from the beginning, and I'm a people person. So I do my best to speak to you in your own language as much as possible. Also, I don't like you. You think you know better than me and don't know dick about me. Yet you come into my world, call me a liar and then get butthurt when you're "facts" are shot down again and again, and I use words to which your apparently sensitive ears are unaccustomed.
"I said in some states I'm not allowed to grow food"
Which is a false statement. So I said so, then you started with the "bitch" and the "fuckstick" because you can't admit you were wrong, why do you think that is?
Why do you think you keep confusing me with your dad?
You're pathetic man. This is the leg you choose to stand on? The dad bit doesn't work on me but far be it from me to kick you when you're down.
You want to be right, be right. I said as much from the beginning. That's always been your goal, not mine.
And I'll say it again. I don't like you. You're rude. You stepped into my feed and called me a liar so fuck you and fuck your mother for raising you wrong. I'll say whatever I damned well please and even though I strongly doubt you talk in real life the way you came at me, you're still probably used to people not liking you.
Next? Fuckstick? Maybe try trolling some weaker minded folks since that's where your self worth comes from.
I'll continue stomping you every step exactly because your principles are inherently flawed, your logic virtually nonexistent, and I'll insult you all I want as this technically still my feed where you came uninvited with your nonsensical rhetoric.
Bring it bitch
Who could be weaker minded than someone who resorts to things like "fuckstick? when was the first time you were called a "fuckstick"?
What could be weaker minded than calling someone a "bitch" instead of just admitting that no state actually bans growing their own food as you claimed?
You seem to have me confused with your dad for some reason, how do you feel about your dad?
Oooooh that hurts. Just kidding my dad is a boot licking statist too. He however formulates idea on the level of someone a little more mature than yourself. Arguing with him is like playing chess with a regular pigeon. You're more like an antisocial racist homophobic type pigeon.
when was the first time you were called a "fuckstick"? was it your dad? does he use a lot of false ad hominem, " antisocial racist homophobic" in his rhetoric too?
It must have been pretty upsetting to you to be called a "fuckstick" if you thought it would be upsetting to me right?
Lol
I sense much projection coming from you. And that rhetoric isn't really rhetoric is it. It's a pretty accurate description of your steem content for the most part.
Maybe you are an extreme satirist. In which case, I tip my hat to you. You play the part of half informed idiot very well.