If the means do violate the non-aggression principle in a significant way that is indisputable, then clearly they do not.
Thank you. You’ve admitted it. Now tell me how forcing one man’s non-free-market, illegitimate authority (US election garnered “authority”) on everyone in the geographical region known as the US, doesn’t violate the non-aggression principle.
Because I've been supportive of @adamkokesh, Graham suggested I should no longer consider myself an anarchist/voluntaryist.
No. I suggested you were not one because no matter how many times I pointed out the fact that elections cannot grant legitimate authority, and centralized, government legislation cannot give vast swathes of land to people because of a piece of paper in DC, you continued to deflect.
Tons of misrepresentations about me and what already happened here. I stopped reading. You still haven’t understood the metaphors I was attempting to use and are now badmouthing and misrepresenting me.
After being called an “ignorant troll” (non-violent communication?) by Kokesh for raising concerns about his “campaign,” and you seeming to be okay with that, and telling me that principles can basically be compromised, I encouraged others to look into the conversation, and unvote if they independently reached the same conclusions.
I have pointed out fact after fact by now, as well as outright lies the Kokesh camp has been telling people in order to secure donations.
You’ve seen directly how he talks to people here, with disrespect and insult, and abuses the platform with 20 and 100 dollar upvotes for these insult comments.
What really matters, though is that Adam’s “plan” objectively violates libertarian principle. He has called on us to drop the word “anarchist,” drop “the ideology,” and stop debating.
Anybody can see that this is unacceptable. These principles are the defining foundation of Voluntaryism.
If he stops scamming people for money, hurling invectives, and misusing the label, we’ll all shut up.
Until then, why should we abide a destructive element?
If anyone wants to know what my position really is, you can ask me directly.
Luke, I appreciate that you can see I want freedom. This is precisely why I am arguing against a (intentionally or otherwise) toxic, narcissistic con man in “the movement.”
It doesn’t help anyone.
EDIT: I want to point out that I am not sure the whole conman thing is intentional. Regardless the practices being engaged in are dishonest and harmful all the same.
Graham if you're going to edit your posts with new content, please make a note of it as it makes the conversation difficult to follow.
The NAP involves actual aggression and the initiation of force. As I've said before, I don't see actual acts of aggression in the plan. I see it removing systems which violate the NAP every single day. When I tried to understand exactly which parts of the plan you consider violations, you mentioned national parks in a way that Adam himself didn't agree with and he wrote the plan. My understanding of the plan is to try and localize and use the free-market as much as possible to return stollen property. If there are areas which don't do it as well as it could. I hope we can make suggestions to improve it.
As I mentioned in my post and in my discussions with Larken, I don't truly think he can or will win, this is more about getting on the Libertarian ballot in order to spread the message, as Ron Paul did. From that perspective, the plan has to follow libertarian principles as best as it possibly can while still remaining within a framework many Statists are still brainwashed to believe (i.e. that voting really grants authority to someone to violate the NAP). I thought this was so obvious as to not have to mention it, but if that's the core of our disagreement, then we may have no disagreement here at all.
What message does fraudulently securing donations send?
What does “put down the ideology” do for spreading the ideology????
A really crappy one, as I already mentioned. I'd like to know what's up with the $6k. That said, it's small potatoes compared to the trillions of dollars the U.S. government is raping us with. I prefer to get more upset about that and try some strategies to end it.
Again, I really dislike the word Ideology. Maybe that's my bad. Have you seen "The Pervert's Guide to Ideology" by Slavoj Žižek? Here's a short clip.
Okay, it’s fair that you may dislike a word, but that word has a clear definition and meaning, and like it or not, Voluntaryism is indeed an ideology. The whole crux of voluntaryism is the ideas. The simple principles based on the reality of ISO.
As for the money. It’s been far more than 6 thousand that was secured. Furthermore, no address or apology for the dishonest acquisition means has been made.
This doesn’t seem to be a one off thing, either. There is a pattern. Look into what happened with the breach of trust with Shield Mutual.
Look at what happens after every single publicity stunt. Please donate!
So everyone can freely homestead anywhere in the parks once the Fed is dissolved, without permission from Kokesh/the non-profit?
He replied to this point in a comment to you already. I look forward to your debate with him to further clarify.
I read his reply. It was vague and didn’t address specifics of how the “process” will work. You know this.
I will ask him tomorrow.
Great article. I recently had one of my first posts in here and kafkanarchy immediately trolled me because I had a freedoms phoenix podcast clip of adam and Ernest Hancock. I’m sick of people who just circle jerk their own and never try to bring new people in. Both of those men were speakers at Anarchapulco and apparently they aren’t “anarchist” enough to post with an anarchy tag