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kafkanarchy84 (74)in #anarchy • 6 years ago (edited)

You won't be killed for not paying your taxes.

Read what I wrote again. Yes. You will. If you resist, you will.

If you resist being robbed. Read my comment in reply to your comment above.

Your hyperbole bothers me, do you think that's really a good rhetorical device?

It’s not hyperbole. That’s the thing.

Claiming ownership on another’s body is slavery.

6 years ago in #anarchy by kafkanarchy84 (74)

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funbobby51 (59) 6 years ago

Nope, no one gets killed in the US for nonpayment of taxes, nobody, it is just not a capital offense. By "resist" do you mean "physically attack a police officer"? Your whole argument is based on that premise yet no one is killed for not paying their taxes because not paying taxes is not a capital offence. Find me a case in the US of someone being executed for tax evasion.

Claiming ownership on another’s body is slavery.

neither of our definitions defined it as that. If you feel that you are enslaved because you have to file a form with the government that says you make less than 6 figures abroad so that you don't have to pay any US taxes then you can always simply renounce your citizenship. It can be done in less than 90 seconds.
Can a slave make a declaration and then no longer be beholden to their master?

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kafkanarchy84 (74) 6 years ago (edited)

By "resist" do you mean "physically attack a police officer"?

By “resist” I mean, defend oneself from being extorted with physical force.

...you can always simply renounce your citizenship. It can be done in less than 90 seconds.

Incorrect. You have to apply and pay a fee, because in the eyes of the law, we don’t own ourselves. The state does.

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wordsword (58) 6 years ago (edited)

It's fasinating how some create a split between the initial action of the state threatening and extorting you (initiating violence) and the follow up action the state takes (which are all violence), then turn it completely around as if you are the initiator of the violence when you defend yourself or are disobedient, as if you have obey someone that has got orders to violate you some more.

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kafkanarchy84 (74) 6 years ago

It's pretty frustrating/mind-boggling. The programmers have done their job well.

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funbobby51 (59) 6 years ago (edited)

By “resist” I mean, defend oneself from being extorted with physical force.

I am going to need a "yes" or "no" on whether that involves physically assaulting the police officer serving a valid arrest warrant.

B. ELEMENTS OF RENUNCIATION
A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:
appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
in a foreign country at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate; and
sign an oath of renunciation

That's it. They don't say anything about a fee, it's done only in person, you don't "have to apply"

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html

The answer to your meme is clear from the definition it's <100%.

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kafkanarchy84 (74) 6 years ago

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2014/08/28/2014-20516/schedule-of-fees-for-consular-services-department-of-state-and-overseas-embassies-and#p-amd-2

Done trying to explain this to you man. You can’t seem to research something for more than 30 seconds, and seem to feel that euphemism makes theft and slavery, not theft and slavery.

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funbobby51 (59) 6 years ago

Well Graham, that was not easy to find, kudos, that didn't take 30 seconds, what page of search results was it on? I didn't say there was not a fee, I said the state department didn't mention one. so let's have a look:

The CoSM demonstrated that documenting a U.S. citizen's renunciation of citizenship is extremely costly, requiring American consular officers overseas to spend substantial amounts of time to accept, process, and
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adjudicate cases. For example, consular officers must confirm that the potential renunciant fully understands the consequences of renunciation, including losing the right to reside in the United States without documentation as an alien. Other steps include verifying that the renunciant is a U.S. citizen, conducting a minimum of two intensive interviews with the potential renunciant, and reviewing at least three consular systems before administering the oath of renunciation. The final approval of the loss of nationality must be done by law within the Directorate of Overseas Citizens Services in Washington, DC, after which the case is returned to the consular officer overseas for final delivery of the Certificate of Loss of Nationality to the renunciant. These steps further add to the time and labor that must be involved in the process. Accordingly, the Department is increasing the fee for processing such requests from $450 to $2,350. As noted in the interim final rule dated June 28, 2010 (77 FR 36522), the fee of $450 was set substantially below the cost to the U.S. government of providing this service (less than one quarter of the cost). Since that time, demand for the service has increased dramatically, consuming far more consular officer time and resources, as reflected in the 2012 Overseas Time Survey and increased workload data. Because the Department believes there is no public benefit or other reason for setting this fee below cost, the Department is increasing this fee to reflect the full cost of providing the service. Therefore the increased fee reflects both the increased cost of the provision of service as well as the determination to now charge the full cost.
Consular Time Charges

The Department previously charged a consular time fee of $231 per hour, per employee. This fee is charged when indicated on the Schedule of Fees or when services are performed away from the office or outside regular business hours. The CoSM estimated that the hourly consular time charge is now lower. Accordingly, the Department is lowering this fee to $135 per hour.

So you object to being charged a fee to process the paperwork? Should the American taxpayer pay to process your renunciation paperwork? Paying to process your own paperwork makes you a slave? I think theft and slavery are well understood and clearly defined terms and that you intentionally misuse them for political reasons.
Extortion is not theft, with extortion you get something in return, what do you get in return with theft? What do you get in return for paying extortion?
What does the word "wholly" mean?

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kafkanarchy84 (74) 6 years ago

Why should I have to even make a statement or pay any fee for moving my body out of the US?

You are missing the bigger picture here, and just keep moving the goalposts.

Like I said, I’m done engaging now. Is there a fee for that ;)

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funbobby51 (59) 6 years ago

because there is a lot of paperwork involved if you choose to do that for some reason, a reason to do so would be if you were making over $100,000 and didn't ever again want to enjoy the protections and privileges given to citizens and if you are making over $100,000 a year then you could easily afford the processing fee. It is a one time fee. should all that paperwork be done for you for free? From a voluntarism prospective why should everyone else be forced to pay to process someone else's renunciation?The phone company and cable company often charge cancellation fees for early termination, does that make you their slave?

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